12-09-2018, 07:34 PM
WBB Pac 12 Result of the Week
12-09-2018, 09:00 PM
(12-09-2018, 07:34 PM)BobK Wrote: http://www.stanfordfbc.orgMichigan State looked very good. Oregon's defense did not. Ionescu had 29 points including 5/7 from three, and Boley had 24 including 6/12 from three, and they lost.
A big time loss by Oregon
Also see the Baylor preview
Oregon is still scary with two players shooting better than the splash brothers. But on the flip side, Ruthy looked human and Ionescu fouled out--with a short bench that spells trouble.
Looking ahead, Tennessee is undefeated and Buffalo looks like another Gonzaga. We have three doozies in a row.
(12-09-2018, 07:34 PM)BobK Wrote: http://www.stanfordfbc.orgMichigan State looked very good. Oregon's defense did not. Ionescu had 29 points including 5/7 from three, and Boley had 24 including 6/12 from three, and they lost.
A big time loss by Oregon
Also see the Baylor preview
Oregon is still scary with two players shooting better than the splash brothers. But on the flip side, Ruthy looked human and Ionescu fouled out--with a short bench that spells trouble.
Looking ahead, Tennessee is undefeated and Buffalo looks like another Gonzaga. We have three doozies in a row.
12-09-2018, 10:54 PM
(12-09-2018, 09:00 PM)81alum Wrote:(12-09-2018, 07:34 PM)BobK Wrote: http://www.stanfordfbc.orgMichigan State looked very good. Oregon's defense did not. Ionescu had 29 points including 5/7 from three, and Boley had 24 including 6/12 from three, and they lost.
A big time loss by Oregon
Also see the Baylor preview
Oregon is still scary with two players shooting better than the splash brothers. But on the flip side, Ruthy looked human and Ionescu fouled out--with a short bench that spells trouble.
Looking ahead, Tennessee is undefeated and Buffalo looks like another Gonzaga. We have three doozies in a row.
If we can't beat Buffalo, that is a very bad sign. Often the team comes out of the finals break better, albeit a tad rusty in the first game. We shall see if that holds this season.
(12-09-2018, 09:00 PM)81alum Wrote:(12-09-2018, 07:34 PM)BobK Wrote: http://www.stanfordfbc.orgMichigan State looked very good. Oregon's defense did not. Ionescu had 29 points including 5/7 from three, and Boley had 24 including 6/12 from three, and they lost.
A big time loss by Oregon
Also see the Baylor preview
Oregon is still scary with two players shooting better than the splash brothers. But on the flip side, Ruthy looked human and Ionescu fouled out--with a short bench that spells trouble.
Looking ahead, Tennessee is undefeated and Buffalo looks like another Gonzaga. We have three doozies in a row.
If we can't beat Buffalo, that is a very bad sign. Often the team comes out of the finals break better, albeit a tad rusty in the first game. We shall see if that holds this season.
12-09-2018, 11:53 PM
We should never underestimate or disrespect any opponent, but we also should have confidence in ourselves that we'll do well (I'm speaking universally, from both a team and a fanbase perspective) and I'm not saying the team is lacking in this area, but I wanted to make a broader point
Playing Baylor, at Tennessee and at Buffalo is not an easy task, but if we want to regain that upper echelon we've held in the late 2000s and early 2010s, we need to have the self-belief that we will do well (again from both perspectives)
I look forward to seeing our team improve and individual players step up their levels.
Hopefully, even though we lose important players to graduation, this season will begin an upward trajectory as we welcome Haley Jones and a great recruiting class next year and Cameron Brink and co. the year afterwards
The article about Brink linked on the Fast Break Club website talked about how Dell Curry helped her with her shot. If his lessons helped Cameron's 3-point shot be something similarly lethal to his own and his sons' long-range jumpers, then we could be in for a few tremendous seasons
Also interesting on the FBC website was a link to a story about recruiting and in that article, a mention about a tweet from Michelle Smith, speculating that Tara might step down in the next couple years and make the transition easier (with such high-level talent on the roster) for Kate Paye potentially. It seems like pure speculation at this point, but at one point (hopefully not for a long time), someone other than Tara will be our head women's basketball coach
Playing Baylor, at Tennessee and at Buffalo is not an easy task, but if we want to regain that upper echelon we've held in the late 2000s and early 2010s, we need to have the self-belief that we will do well (again from both perspectives)
I look forward to seeing our team improve and individual players step up their levels.
Hopefully, even though we lose important players to graduation, this season will begin an upward trajectory as we welcome Haley Jones and a great recruiting class next year and Cameron Brink and co. the year afterwards
The article about Brink linked on the Fast Break Club website talked about how Dell Curry helped her with her shot. If his lessons helped Cameron's 3-point shot be something similarly lethal to his own and his sons' long-range jumpers, then we could be in for a few tremendous seasons
Also interesting on the FBC website was a link to a story about recruiting and in that article, a mention about a tweet from Michelle Smith, speculating that Tara might step down in the next couple years and make the transition easier (with such high-level talent on the roster) for Kate Paye potentially. It seems like pure speculation at this point, but at one point (hopefully not for a long time), someone other than Tara will be our head women's basketball coach
We should never underestimate or disrespect any opponent, but we also should have confidence in ourselves that we'll do well (I'm speaking universally, from both a team and a fanbase perspective) and I'm not saying the team is lacking in this area, but I wanted to make a broader point
Playing Baylor, at Tennessee and at Buffalo is not an easy task, but if we want to regain that upper echelon we've held in the late 2000s and early 2010s, we need to have the self-belief that we will do well (again from both perspectives)
I look forward to seeing our team improve and individual players step up their levels.
Hopefully, even though we lose important players to graduation, this season will begin an upward trajectory as we welcome Haley Jones and a great recruiting class next year and Cameron Brink and co. the year afterwards
The article about Brink linked on the Fast Break Club website talked about how Dell Curry helped her with her shot. If his lessons helped Cameron's 3-point shot be something similarly lethal to his own and his sons' long-range jumpers, then we could be in for a few tremendous seasons
Also interesting on the FBC website was a link to a story about recruiting and in that article, a mention about a tweet from Michelle Smith, speculating that Tara might step down in the next couple years and make the transition easier (with such high-level talent on the roster) for Kate Paye potentially. It seems like pure speculation at this point, but at one point (hopefully not for a long time), someone other than Tara will be our head women's basketball coach
Playing Baylor, at Tennessee and at Buffalo is not an easy task, but if we want to regain that upper echelon we've held in the late 2000s and early 2010s, we need to have the self-belief that we will do well (again from both perspectives)
I look forward to seeing our team improve and individual players step up their levels.
Hopefully, even though we lose important players to graduation, this season will begin an upward trajectory as we welcome Haley Jones and a great recruiting class next year and Cameron Brink and co. the year afterwards
The article about Brink linked on the Fast Break Club website talked about how Dell Curry helped her with her shot. If his lessons helped Cameron's 3-point shot be something similarly lethal to his own and his sons' long-range jumpers, then we could be in for a few tremendous seasons
Also interesting on the FBC website was a link to a story about recruiting and in that article, a mention about a tweet from Michelle Smith, speculating that Tara might step down in the next couple years and make the transition easier (with such high-level talent on the roster) for Kate Paye potentially. It seems like pure speculation at this point, but at one point (hopefully not for a long time), someone other than Tara will be our head women's basketball coach
Farm07, I couldn't find the speculation about Tara and Kate - can you post a link to what you saw?
And yeah, Oregon's defense was pretty bad against MSU (they've never been an especially great defensive team, IMHO). I also feel like they lost a step in team cohesion with Bando graduated, McGwire transferred, and Boley on the team. Boley isn't really a high post the way McGwire was, so there's less opportunity for Hebard to get involved, which partially explains her lower numbers. But part of it is also that Boley generally looks to shoot rather than pass; it seemed like 75% of the times I saw her get the ball she shot it rather than pass it, which again means fewer passes inside to Hebard. It feels odd to say because Boley was doing a ton of their scoring, but I also think because she takes more shots outside, when they miss and don't get the rebound, it set the MSU team up to get out quickly in transition on offense, which meant that Oregon couldn't get back on D in time, exacerbating their defensive weaknesses. When more shots were going inside to Hebard or McGwire, they generally went in, and it gave the team time to get back on D. (Oregon had a total of 38 missed shots, and MSU got 35 points off fast breaks.)
I also thought Oregon's ball handling was not great - so many terribly sloppy turnovers - and all things considered, they were basically outcoached by Suzy Merchant, who I thought had a very good game plan for that game.
BTW- Tennessee was basically a two-woman team of Westbrook and Meme Jackson. I think they doubled the scoring output of the rest of the team combined. The UT-Tennessee game was probably the biggest mismatch between the talent of the players and the efficacy of the coaching I've seen in a long time. Neither team seemed to have an especially great plan and just relied on their players making plays.
PS: I found the tweet: https://twitter.com/macsmith413/status/1...6317431808
And here's what Mechelle Voepel had to say in response:
Tara will still be coaching after you and I have retired. :)
And yeah, Oregon's defense was pretty bad against MSU (they've never been an especially great defensive team, IMHO). I also feel like they lost a step in team cohesion with Bando graduated, McGwire transferred, and Boley on the team. Boley isn't really a high post the way McGwire was, so there's less opportunity for Hebard to get involved, which partially explains her lower numbers. But part of it is also that Boley generally looks to shoot rather than pass; it seemed like 75% of the times I saw her get the ball she shot it rather than pass it, which again means fewer passes inside to Hebard. It feels odd to say because Boley was doing a ton of their scoring, but I also think because she takes more shots outside, when they miss and don't get the rebound, it set the MSU team up to get out quickly in transition on offense, which meant that Oregon couldn't get back on D in time, exacerbating their defensive weaknesses. When more shots were going inside to Hebard or McGwire, they generally went in, and it gave the team time to get back on D. (Oregon had a total of 38 missed shots, and MSU got 35 points off fast breaks.)
I also thought Oregon's ball handling was not great - so many terribly sloppy turnovers - and all things considered, they were basically outcoached by Suzy Merchant, who I thought had a very good game plan for that game.
BTW- Tennessee was basically a two-woman team of Westbrook and Meme Jackson. I think they doubled the scoring output of the rest of the team combined. The UT-Tennessee game was probably the biggest mismatch between the talent of the players and the efficacy of the coaching I've seen in a long time. Neither team seemed to have an especially great plan and just relied on their players making plays.
PS: I found the tweet: https://twitter.com/macsmith413/status/1...6317431808
And here's what Mechelle Voepel had to say in response:
Tara will still be coaching after you and I have retired. :)
Farm07, I couldn't find the speculation about Tara and Kate - can you post a link to what you saw?
And yeah, Oregon's defense was pretty bad against MSU (they've never been an especially great defensive team, IMHO). I also feel like they lost a step in team cohesion with Bando graduated, McGwire transferred, and Boley on the team. Boley isn't really a high post the way McGwire was, so there's less opportunity for Hebard to get involved, which partially explains her lower numbers. But part of it is also that Boley generally looks to shoot rather than pass; it seemed like 75% of the times I saw her get the ball she shot it rather than pass it, which again means fewer passes inside to Hebard. It feels odd to say because Boley was doing a ton of their scoring, but I also think because she takes more shots outside, when they miss and don't get the rebound, it set the MSU team up to get out quickly in transition on offense, which meant that Oregon couldn't get back on D in time, exacerbating their defensive weaknesses. When more shots were going inside to Hebard or McGwire, they generally went in, and it gave the team time to get back on D. (Oregon had a total of 38 missed shots, and MSU got 35 points off fast breaks.)
I also thought Oregon's ball handling was not great - so many terribly sloppy turnovers - and all things considered, they were basically outcoached by Suzy Merchant, who I thought had a very good game plan for that game.
BTW- Tennessee was basically a two-woman team of Westbrook and Meme Jackson. I think they doubled the scoring output of the rest of the team combined. The UT-Tennessee game was probably the biggest mismatch between the talent of the players and the efficacy of the coaching I've seen in a long time. Neither team seemed to have an especially great plan and just relied on their players making plays.
PS: I found the tweet: https://twitter.com/macsmith413/status/1...6317431808
And here's what Mechelle Voepel had to say in response:
Tara will still be coaching after you and I have retired. :)
And yeah, Oregon's defense was pretty bad against MSU (they've never been an especially great defensive team, IMHO). I also feel like they lost a step in team cohesion with Bando graduated, McGwire transferred, and Boley on the team. Boley isn't really a high post the way McGwire was, so there's less opportunity for Hebard to get involved, which partially explains her lower numbers. But part of it is also that Boley generally looks to shoot rather than pass; it seemed like 75% of the times I saw her get the ball she shot it rather than pass it, which again means fewer passes inside to Hebard. It feels odd to say because Boley was doing a ton of their scoring, but I also think because she takes more shots outside, when they miss and don't get the rebound, it set the MSU team up to get out quickly in transition on offense, which meant that Oregon couldn't get back on D in time, exacerbating their defensive weaknesses. When more shots were going inside to Hebard or McGwire, they generally went in, and it gave the team time to get back on D. (Oregon had a total of 38 missed shots, and MSU got 35 points off fast breaks.)
I also thought Oregon's ball handling was not great - so many terribly sloppy turnovers - and all things considered, they were basically outcoached by Suzy Merchant, who I thought had a very good game plan for that game.
BTW- Tennessee was basically a two-woman team of Westbrook and Meme Jackson. I think they doubled the scoring output of the rest of the team combined. The UT-Tennessee game was probably the biggest mismatch between the talent of the players and the efficacy of the coaching I've seen in a long time. Neither team seemed to have an especially great plan and just relied on their players making plays.
PS: I found the tweet: https://twitter.com/macsmith413/status/1...6317431808
And here's what Mechelle Voepel had to say in response:
Tara will still be coaching after you and I have retired. :)
The speculation about Tara, I have learned from past experience, is good for nothing. People wonder about her retirement periodically--before she signs a new contract, whenever a top assistant goes interviewing elsewhere, whenever a top recruit turns us down. I'm sure other younger coaches raise the issue when trying to pry recruits away from us, and they probably plant rumors that spread for a while before being tamped down. Pivec turned us down during the midst of such speculation a few years ago-not saying it mattered necessarily, but I think she made some sort of statement about being somewhere where the coaching would be stable for four years. Well, I think it highly likely that Pivec will graduate while Tara is still coach at Stanford.
Tara will continue to coach as long as she is having fun doing it. Even Tara doesn't know when that will come to an end. All the speculation, therefore, is moot. Tara seems to be having a good time, still, and she has a lot to look forward to. Personally, I'd like to see her pass Pat's wins--she is about 2-3 seasons away and this would also mean passing 1100--and I'd like to see her keep going longer than the younger Geno. But that is the fan in me talking.
Tara will continue to coach as long as she is having fun doing it. Even Tara doesn't know when that will come to an end. All the speculation, therefore, is moot. Tara seems to be having a good time, still, and she has a lot to look forward to. Personally, I'd like to see her pass Pat's wins--she is about 2-3 seasons away and this would also mean passing 1100--and I'd like to see her keep going longer than the younger Geno. But that is the fan in me talking.
The speculation about Tara, I have learned from past experience, is good for nothing. People wonder about her retirement periodically--before she signs a new contract, whenever a top assistant goes interviewing elsewhere, whenever a top recruit turns us down. I'm sure other younger coaches raise the issue when trying to pry recruits away from us, and they probably plant rumors that spread for a while before being tamped down. Pivec turned us down during the midst of such speculation a few years ago-not saying it mattered necessarily, but I think she made some sort of statement about being somewhere where the coaching would be stable for four years. Well, I think it highly likely that Pivec will graduate while Tara is still coach at Stanford.
Tara will continue to coach as long as she is having fun doing it. Even Tara doesn't know when that will come to an end. All the speculation, therefore, is moot. Tara seems to be having a good time, still, and she has a lot to look forward to. Personally, I'd like to see her pass Pat's wins--she is about 2-3 seasons away and this would also mean passing 1100--and I'd like to see her keep going longer than the younger Geno. But that is the fan in me talking.
Tara will continue to coach as long as she is having fun doing it. Even Tara doesn't know when that will come to an end. All the speculation, therefore, is moot. Tara seems to be having a good time, still, and she has a lot to look forward to. Personally, I'd like to see her pass Pat's wins--she is about 2-3 seasons away and this would also mean passing 1100--and I'd like to see her keep going longer than the younger Geno. But that is the fan in me talking.
12-10-2018, 09:51 AM
Geno and Muffet are barely younger than Tara
Great post on the Oregon -Michigan State game. Thanks so much. My theory to a friend that McGuire was a big loss. Maybe so. The details you site are very interesting. Thanks
We know Kate turned down Washington and usc. Of course there could be other reasons. But we now recruits and parents ask. So I believe strongly they get the Kate answer
Pivic is doing great so the right decision.
Yes she said that Tara wouldn’t be here all four of her years.
Westbrook still another player from Oregon HS to Tennessee
Agree three tough games in a row.
Great post on the Oregon -Michigan State game. Thanks so much. My theory to a friend that McGuire was a big loss. Maybe so. The details you site are very interesting. Thanks
We know Kate turned down Washington and usc. Of course there could be other reasons. But we now recruits and parents ask. So I believe strongly they get the Kate answer
Pivic is doing great so the right decision.
Yes she said that Tara wouldn’t be here all four of her years.
Westbrook still another player from Oregon HS to Tennessee
Agree three tough games in a row.
Geno and Muffet are barely younger than Tara
Great post on the Oregon -Michigan State game. Thanks so much. My theory to a friend that McGuire was a big loss. Maybe so. The details you site are very interesting. Thanks
We know Kate turned down Washington and usc. Of course there could be other reasons. But we now recruits and parents ask. So I believe strongly they get the Kate answer
Pivic is doing great so the right decision.
Yes she said that Tara wouldn’t be here all four of her years.
Westbrook still another player from Oregon HS to Tennessee
Agree three tough games in a row.
Great post on the Oregon -Michigan State game. Thanks so much. My theory to a friend that McGuire was a big loss. Maybe so. The details you site are very interesting. Thanks
We know Kate turned down Washington and usc. Of course there could be other reasons. But we now recruits and parents ask. So I believe strongly they get the Kate answer
Pivic is doing great so the right decision.
Yes she said that Tara wouldn’t be here all four of her years.
Westbrook still another player from Oregon HS to Tennessee
Agree three tough games in a row.
12-10-2018, 01:33 PM
Kara Lawson was covering the Oregon - Michigan State game. She had coached some of the Oregon players in 3-women games in China (IIRC). She assessed that Mich. State was using physicality to take Oregon out of their normal game. For those that didn't see, Oregon was up 16-4 early, down slightly at the half, then down by about 9 points late, and scrambled to within a handful over the last minute or so.
Kara Lawson was covering the Oregon - Michigan State game. She had coached some of the Oregon players in 3-women games in China (IIRC). She assessed that Mich. State was using physicality to take Oregon out of their normal game. For those that didn't see, Oregon was up 16-4 early, down slightly at the half, then down by about 9 points late, and scrambled to within a handful over the last minute or so.
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