[SamuelMcF]

76 scholarships held by players with eligibility remaining.
One transferring out (Powell)
Five more portal entries (Swann, Williams, Peek, Enoch, Harrington)
One possible medical retirement (Stratford)
Three academic juniors with NFL potential (Little, Parkinson, Adebo)

If all the above go, we would need no more attrition, plus we haven’t accounted for Costello.

BC

There will be more than that. Do you really think staff are encouraging Donald Stewart, Treyjohn Butler, and JJ Parson to stay for a 5th year?

[SamuelMcF]

76 scholarships held by players with eligibility remaining.
One transferring out (Powell)
Five more portal entries (Swann, Williams, Peek, Enoch, Harrington)
One possible medical retirement (Stratford)
Three academic juniors with NFL potential (Little, Parkinson, Adebo)

If all the above go, we would need no more attrition, plus we haven’t accounted for Costello.

BC

There will be more than that. Do you really think staff are encouraging Donald Stewart, Treyjohn Butler, and JJ Parson to stay for a 5th year?

[BostonCard]

76 scholarships held by players with eligibility remaining.
One transferring out (Powell)
Five more portal entries (Swann, Williams, Peek, Enoch, Harrington)
One possible medical retirement (Stratford)
Three academic juniors with NFL potential (Little, Parkinson, Adebo)

If all the above go, we would need no more attrition, plus we haven’t accounted for Costello.

BC

There will be more than that. Do you really think staff are encouraging Donald Stewart, Treyjohn Butler, and JJ Parson to stay for a 5th year?

Well, the staff inexplicably brought IBS back for a sixth year, so what the hell do I know.
Also, I suspect we are not done with portal entries that the staff has not pushed.
On the flip side, I had mentally written off the possibility of the juniors coming back.  But the door might be open a crack for one or two of them to come back.  Would be wonderful and unexpected if that were to come to pass, but trying not to get my hopes up.

BC

[BostonCard]

76 scholarships held by players with eligibility remaining.
One transferring out (Powell)
Five more portal entries (Swann, Williams, Peek, Enoch, Harrington)
One possible medical retirement (Stratford)
Three academic juniors with NFL potential (Little, Parkinson, Adebo)

If all the above go, we would need no more attrition, plus we haven’t accounted for Costello.

BC

There will be more than that. Do you really think staff are encouraging Donald Stewart, Treyjohn Butler, and JJ Parson to stay for a 5th year?

Well, the staff inexplicably brought IBS back for a sixth year, so what the hell do I know.
Also, I suspect we are not done with portal entries that the staff has not pushed.
On the flip side, I had mentally written off the possibility of the juniors coming back.  But the door might be open a crack for one or two of them to come back.  Would be wonderful and unexpected if that were to come to pass, but trying not to get my hopes up.

BC

[teejers1]

76 scholarships held by players with eligibility remaining.
One transferring out (Powell)
Five more portal entries (Swann, Williams, Peek, Enoch, Harrington)
One possible medical retirement (Stratford)
Three academic juniors with NFL potential (Little, Parkinson, Adebo)

If all the above go, we would need no more attrition, plus we haven’t accounted for Costello.

BC

There will be more than that. Do you really think staff are encouraging Donald Stewart, Treyjohn Butler, and JJ Parson to stay for a 5th year?

Maybe for appearance purposes.  I mean, a WR (Identity Be Stealth) was given a scholie for this past season, right?  There could, once again, be lots of extras lying around - though I hope not (and based on your prior comments, think not).

[teejers1]

76 scholarships held by players with eligibility remaining.
One transferring out (Powell)
Five more portal entries (Swann, Williams, Peek, Enoch, Harrington)
One possible medical retirement (Stratford)
Three academic juniors with NFL potential (Little, Parkinson, Adebo)

If all the above go, we would need no more attrition, plus we haven’t accounted for Costello.

BC

There will be more than that. Do you really think staff are encouraging Donald Stewart, Treyjohn Butler, and JJ Parson to stay for a 5th year?

Maybe for appearance purposes.  I mean, a WR (Identity Be Stealth) was given a scholie for this past season, right?  There could, once again, be lots of extras lying around - though I hope not (and based on your prior comments, think not).

[OutsiderFan]

Little is returning.  I personally don't think either Parkinson or Adebo is ready for the NFL.

Parkinson's production was really weak, all things considered, though I readily admit this can be a coaching and scheming issue. And Adebo needs to get bigger and show he can be consistent.  

No player on Stanford's team was more disappointing to me than Parkinson this season. Had more catches than first two seasons, but the impact was  just not there. ONE TD a year after catching 7??? And 4 YPC less too.

[OutsiderFan]

Little is returning.  I personally don't think either Parkinson or Adebo is ready for the NFL.

Parkinson's production was really weak, all things considered, though I readily admit this can be a coaching and scheming issue. And Adebo needs to get bigger and show he can be consistent.  

No player on Stanford's team was more disappointing to me than Parkinson this season. Had more catches than first two seasons, but the impact was  just not there. ONE TD a year after catching 7??? And 4 YPC less too.

[BostonCard]

There will definitely be fewer unused scholarships lying around.  However, uncertainty about the transfer portal and who declares for the NFL makes balancing the numbers perfectly a bit fraught.  The early signing period is soon, but the deadline for early entrants for the NFL draft is Jan. 20.  I'm not sure if there is a portal deadline.

In an ideal world, you have more than enough incoming players that you can tell all the fourth years with eligibility in the "Congrats on your Stanford degree" category (see this thread: https://thecardboard.org/board/showthread.php?tid=18712) that they can enter the portal if they want to play football or start looking for a job if they want to get on with life. And you have all the players in the "Significant contributors/hope to have back" category come back.  And then you can tell the players in the "Some contribution/leaving makes sense" that we will extend a fifth year if space is available, but nothing is guaranteed until we know who is leaving and who is coming in.

BC

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Little is returning.  I personally don't think either Parkinson or Adebo is ready for the NFL.

Has he announced, or are you speculating?

Remember that the NFL cares about potential not production (though proven production predicts potential - how's that for alliteration).  They will happily take a guy who was injured for a whole year, if they thought that once he healed he would be a productive NFL starter. They will also take someone with weaker numbers who has a great combine and will draft a very productive player lower if they don't have the measurables.

Agree that Parkinson had a disappointing year.  He played "small".  He was hurt by defenses focusing on him, but he should be able to succeed regardless.  To what extent his disappointing year was a contributor to our offensive woes, and to what extent the offensive woes contributed to his sub-par performance (on third and long, it was easy for defenses to focus on Parkinson), is tough to tease out.  Selfishly, I hope he stays.

I would be surprised if Adebo returns.  His year may not have lived up to the hype, but again, defensive coordinators will figure that he will probably be able to learn how to defend the stop and go.

BC

[BostonCard]

There will definitely be fewer unused scholarships lying around.  However, uncertainty about the transfer portal and who declares for the NFL makes balancing the numbers perfectly a bit fraught.  The early signing period is soon, but the deadline for early entrants for the NFL draft is Jan. 20.  I'm not sure if there is a portal deadline.

In an ideal world, you have more than enough incoming players that you can tell all the fourth years with eligibility in the "Congrats on your Stanford degree" category (see this thread: https://thecardboard.org/board/showthread.php?tid=18712) that they can enter the portal if they want to play football or start looking for a job if they want to get on with life. And you have all the players in the "Significant contributors/hope to have back" category come back.  And then you can tell the players in the "Some contribution/leaving makes sense" that we will extend a fifth year if space is available, but nothing is guaranteed until we know who is leaving and who is coming in.

BC

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Little is returning.  I personally don't think either Parkinson or Adebo is ready for the NFL.

Has he announced, or are you speculating?

Remember that the NFL cares about potential not production (though proven production predicts potential - how's that for alliteration).  They will happily take a guy who was injured for a whole year, if they thought that once he healed he would be a productive NFL starter. They will also take someone with weaker numbers who has a great combine and will draft a very productive player lower if they don't have the measurables.

Agree that Parkinson had a disappointing year.  He played "small".  He was hurt by defenses focusing on him, but he should be able to succeed regardless.  To what extent his disappointing year was a contributor to our offensive woes, and to what extent the offensive woes contributed to his sub-par performance (on third and long, it was easy for defenses to focus on Parkinson), is tough to tease out.  Selfishly, I hope he stays.

I would be surprised if Adebo returns.  His year may not have lived up to the hype, but again, defensive coordinators will figure that he will probably be able to learn how to defend the stop and go.

BC

[Goose]

I would be surprised if Adebo returns.  His year may not have lived up to the hype, but again, defensive coordinators will figure that he will probably be able to learn how to defend the stop and go.


BC

I think you are correct that they will believe he can defend the stop and go. What I don't think they will take on faith is that he can tackle in space and that he has some run support ability. He isn't very big, so he has to show he can play bigger than he is. So far, he hasn't shown that, IMHO. That may make his draft status a bit less than he expected from last year. We shall see.

[Goose]

I would be surprised if Adebo returns.  His year may not have lived up to the hype, but again, defensive coordinators will figure that he will probably be able to learn how to defend the stop and go.


BC

I think you are correct that they will believe he can defend the stop and go. What I don't think they will take on faith is that he can tackle in space and that he has some run support ability. He isn't very big, so he has to show he can play bigger than he is. So far, he hasn't shown that, IMHO. That may make his draft status a bit less than he expected from last year. We shall see.

[CardinalSagehen]

Little is returning.  I personally don't think either Parkinson or Adebo is ready for the NFL.

Has he announced, or are you speculating?

Remember that the NFL cares about potential not production (though proven production predicts potential - how's that for alliteration).  They will happily take a guy who was injured for a whole year, if they thought that once he healed he would be a productive NFL starter. They will also take someone with weaker numbers who has a great combine and will draft a very productive player lower if they don't have the measurables. 

He hasn’t announced, but Shaw said the following to Jacob Rayburn last week.  

“You look at a guy like Walker Little who probably won’t do anything live the entire spring, either session, but hopefully will be able to go through the individual drills and also some line drills. You hope that for Devery Hamilton as well that he’ll be able to get out there, and Branson Bragg.

So OF may be speculating, but very reasonably.

[CardinalSagehen]

Little is returning.  I personally don't think either Parkinson or Adebo is ready for the NFL.

Has he announced, or are you speculating?

Remember that the NFL cares about potential not production (though proven production predicts potential - how's that for alliteration).  They will happily take a guy who was injured for a whole year, if they thought that once he healed he would be a productive NFL starter. They will also take someone with weaker numbers who has a great combine and will draft a very productive player lower if they don't have the measurables. 

He hasn’t announced, but Shaw said the following to Jacob Rayburn last week.  

“You look at a guy like Walker Little who probably won’t do anything live the entire spring, either session, but hopefully will be able to go through the individual drills and also some line drills. You hope that for Devery Hamilton as well that he’ll be able to get out there, and Branson Bragg.

So OF may be speculating, but very reasonably.

[BostonCard]

“You look at a guy like Walker Little who probably won’t do anything live the entire spring, either session, but hopefully will be able to go through the individual drills and also some line drills. You hope that for Devery Hamilton as well that he’ll be able to get out there, and Branson Bragg.

So OF may be speculating, but very reasonably.

I think the term of art is "planning for success" (also known as wishful thinking).  The deadline for submitting names to the college advisory committee is mid-December.  I would be surprised if Little (and the others) didn't submit their names. I suspect for reasons others have mentioned that they will receive a Remain-in-School evaluation (typically means a third round grade or below), but I'm not a talent scout, and I don't want to get too far over my skis.  You have to add to that individual circumstances.  But my suspicion is that we won't really know until early January.

Deadline is Jan. 20 to declare.

BC

[BostonCard]

“You look at a guy like Walker Little who probably won’t do anything live the entire spring, either session, but hopefully will be able to go through the individual drills and also some line drills. You hope that for Devery Hamilton as well that he’ll be able to get out there, and Branson Bragg.

So OF may be speculating, but very reasonably.

I think the term of art is "planning for success" (also known as wishful thinking).  The deadline for submitting names to the college advisory committee is mid-December.  I would be surprised if Little (and the others) didn't submit their names. I suspect for reasons others have mentioned that they will receive a Remain-in-School evaluation (typically means a third round grade or below), but I'm not a talent scout, and I don't want to get too far over my skis.  You have to add to that individual circumstances.  But my suspicion is that we won't really know until early January.

Deadline is Jan. 20 to declare.

BC

[Phogge]

Parkinson doesn’t block, Adebo doesn’t tackle. Parkinson runs poor routes. Maybe take a seventh round flyer based on his height.

Adebo maybe third round.

[Phogge]

Parkinson doesn’t block, Adebo doesn’t tackle. Parkinson runs poor routes. Maybe take a seventh round flyer based on his height.

Adebo maybe third round.

[Goose]

Parkinson doesn’t block, Adebo doesn’t tackle. Parkinson runs poor routes. Maybe take a seventh round flyer based on his height.

Adebo maybe third round.

You can add Parkinson doesn't catch the ball. That isn't totally fair, he catches a lot of difficult ones, but he also drops many "easy" important ones.

[Goose]

Parkinson doesn’t block, Adebo doesn’t tackle. Parkinson runs poor routes. Maybe take a seventh round flyer based on his height.

Adebo maybe third round.

You can add Parkinson doesn't catch the ball. That isn't totally fair, he catches a lot of difficult ones, but he also drops many "easy" important ones.

[CardinalSagehen]

“You look at a guy like Walker Little who probably won’t do anything live the entire spring, either session, but hopefully will be able to go through the individual drills and also some line drills. You hope that for Devery Hamilton as well that he’ll be able to get out there, and Branson Bragg.

So OF may be speculating, but very reasonably.

I think the term of art is "planning for success" (also known as wishful thinking).  The deadline for submitting names to the college advisory committee is mid-December.  I would be surprised if Little (and the others) didn't submit their names. I suspect for reasons others have mentioned that they will receive a Remain-in-School evaluation (typically means a third round grade or below), but I'm not a talent scout, and I don't want to get too far over my skis.  You have to add to that individual circumstances.  But my suspicion is that we won't really know until early January.

Deadline is Jan. 20 to declare.

BC

Yes, I agree with all of that. 

I was just thinking that Shaw is famously (or notoriously) tight-lipped and conservative. I'd be surprised if he were discussing Little's participation in Spring football without a fairly solid commitment, which, of course, could change after the NFL evaluation. 

Despite the NFL's willingness to look at future potential over current production and health, not being physically able to run the Combine drills at one's best does hurt a Little, so to speak. The recovery from patellar tendon surgery is said to be 6-12 months, which puts him in the April - October range. 

I'd guess it's 70/30 that Little stays at this point. We are probably overweighting the risk that he goes to the NFL and underweighting the risk that he's going to struggle to perform at his best next season. Of course, I wish him the best no matter what he chooses.

[CardinalSagehen]

“You look at a guy like Walker Little who probably won’t do anything live the entire spring, either session, but hopefully will be able to go through the individual drills and also some line drills. You hope that for Devery Hamilton as well that he’ll be able to get out there, and Branson Bragg.

So OF may be speculating, but very reasonably.

I think the term of art is "planning for success" (also known as wishful thinking).  The deadline for submitting names to the college advisory committee is mid-December.  I would be surprised if Little (and the others) didn't submit their names. I suspect for reasons others have mentioned that they will receive a Remain-in-School evaluation (typically means a third round grade or below), but I'm not a talent scout, and I don't want to get too far over my skis.  You have to add to that individual circumstances.  But my suspicion is that we won't really know until early January.

Deadline is Jan. 20 to declare.

BC

Yes, I agree with all of that. 

I was just thinking that Shaw is famously (or notoriously) tight-lipped and conservative. I'd be surprised if he were discussing Little's participation in Spring football without a fairly solid commitment, which, of course, could change after the NFL evaluation. 

Despite the NFL's willingness to look at future potential over current production and health, not being physically able to run the Combine drills at one's best does hurt a Little, so to speak. The recovery from patellar tendon surgery is said to be 6-12 months, which puts him in the April - October range. 

I'd guess it's 70/30 that Little stays at this point. We are probably overweighting the risk that he goes to the NFL and underweighting the risk that he's going to struggle to perform at his best next season. Of course, I wish him the best no matter what he chooses.