[chimera]

What a mess the NCAA has made for themselves.  They really couldn't be bothered to give proper resources to the women's tournament and did not understand that it would get out and they would look like garbage (as they often do)?    I mean, how hard could it have been to make a proper weight room?  If Dick's Sporting Goods is offering now, probably they would have been willing before, if only the NCAA gave a crap and tried.

[chimera]

What a mess the NCAA has made for themselves.  They really couldn't be bothered to give proper resources to the women's tournament and did not understand that it would get out and they would look like garbage (as they often do)?    I mean, how hard could it have been to make a proper weight room?  If Dick's Sporting Goods is offering now, probably they would have been willing before, if only the NCAA gave a crap and tried.

[OutsiderFan]

What have Geno and Tara had to say about this?  Dawn Staley pulled no punches.

[tweet]https://twitter.com/dawnstaley/status/1373064039211876358[/tweet]

[OutsiderFan]

What have Geno and Tara had to say about this?  Dawn Staley pulled no punches.

[tweet]https://twitter.com/dawnstaley/status/1373064039211876358[/tweet]

[BobK]

Geno spoke about it.

[BobK]

Geno spoke about it.

[martyup]

Geno spoke about it.

Yes, he did.  Probably should have stayed silent.

I've heard some stories . . . you know how kids are [chuckle] . . . there is never enough food to feed a kid. I don't care if you let them loose in a supermarket overnight, they're going to come out in the morning and say 'I'm hungry.' [chuckle]

http://www.espn.com/video/clip?id=31095920

[martyup]

Geno spoke about it.

Yes, he did.  Probably should have stayed silent.

I've heard some stories . . . you know how kids are [chuckle] . . . there is never enough food to feed a kid. I don't care if you let them loose in a supermarket overnight, they're going to come out in the morning and say 'I'm hungry.' [chuckle]

http://www.espn.com/video/clip?id=31095920

[BobK]

Thanks Marty. Guess I should have listened.

[BobK]

Thanks Marty. Guess I should have listened.

[JustAnotherFan]

Geno spoke about it.

Yes, he did.  Probably should have stayed silent.

I've heard some stories . . . you know how kids are [chuckle] . . . there is never enough food to feed a kid. I don't care if you let them loose in a supermarket overnight, they're going to come out in the morning and say 'I'm hungry.' [chuckle]

http://www.espn.com/video/clip?id=31095920

Yikes. If I were recruiting a kid for the University of South Carolina and UConn was also recruiting them I'd just share both takes.

[JustAnotherFan]

Geno spoke about it.

Yes, he did.  Probably should have stayed silent.

I've heard some stories . . . you know how kids are [chuckle] . . . there is never enough food to feed a kid. I don't care if you let them loose in a supermarket overnight, they're going to come out in the morning and say 'I'm hungry.' [chuckle]

http://www.espn.com/video/clip?id=31095920

Yikes. If I were recruiting a kid for the University of South Carolina and UConn was also recruiting them I'd just share both takes.

[81alum]

Yes, it was not one of Geno's better moments.  Dawn's statement I think was balanced, thoughtful, and appropriate. 

I think COVID turned out to be a "stress test" of the NCAA, and it failed miserably.  I take no delight in that.  I think a weaker NCAA will in the long run be a bad development for Stanford Athletics in particular.  But the NCAA looks like an organization on the decline, unable to keep up with the times.

[81alum]

Yes, it was not one of Geno's better moments.  Dawn's statement I think was balanced, thoughtful, and appropriate. 

I think COVID turned out to be a "stress test" of the NCAA, and it failed miserably.  I take no delight in that.  I think a weaker NCAA will in the long run be a bad development for Stanford Athletics in particular.  But the NCAA looks like an organization on the decline, unable to keep up with the times.

[BobK]

I think pure sexism. Period

[BobK]

I think pure sexism. Period

[Goose]

I think COVID turned out to be a "stress test" of the NCAA, and it failed miserably.  I take no delight in that.  I think a weaker NCAA will in the long run be a bad development for Stanford Athletics in particular.  But the NCAA looks like an organization on the decline, unable to keep up with the times.

I agree that the NCAA failed the COVID-19 test. In fact, I think it has "failed" just about every test it has been given in the last 15 years. It certainly hasn't figured out how to deal with the money infused into what used to be a somewhat quaint sports tradition. I think the NCAA is doomed by trying to be all things to all schools. The concerns of the Ivy League are different than those of the SEC, and both are different than the Div III schools. Probably it is time to split up the "Governing Bodies" of these various world's apart groups. Each conference or school can decide where it want's to reside and what the rules need to be.

[Goose]

I think COVID turned out to be a "stress test" of the NCAA, and it failed miserably.  I take no delight in that.  I think a weaker NCAA will in the long run be a bad development for Stanford Athletics in particular.  But the NCAA looks like an organization on the decline, unable to keep up with the times.

I agree that the NCAA failed the COVID-19 test. In fact, I think it has "failed" just about every test it has been given in the last 15 years. It certainly hasn't figured out how to deal with the money infused into what used to be a somewhat quaint sports tradition. I think the NCAA is doomed by trying to be all things to all schools. The concerns of the Ivy League are different than those of the SEC, and both are different than the Div III schools. Probably it is time to split up the "Governing Bodies" of these various world's apart groups. Each conference or school can decide where it want's to reside and what the rules need to be.

[82lsju]

from alum Sally Jenkins '82

I’m tired. Not from today or from yesterday but from 40 years of it. Forty years tired of writing the same damn story about the same NCAA shortchangers in suits who would begrudge women’s athletes so much as an equal amount of air in a tire if they thought it might come at a man’s expense. Sick and tired of the chiseling administrators with their million-dollar salaries and monstrous heaps of revenue who act like women’s basketball players should be thankful for a uniform that isn’t funded by a bake sale.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/20...DKK4vevuNk

[82lsju]

from alum Sally Jenkins '82

I’m tired. Not from today or from yesterday but from 40 years of it. Forty years tired of writing the same damn story about the same NCAA shortchangers in suits who would begrudge women’s athletes so much as an equal amount of air in a tire if they thought it might come at a man’s expense. Sick and tired of the chiseling administrators with their million-dollar salaries and monstrous heaps of revenue who act like women’s basketball players should be thankful for a uniform that isn’t funded by a bake sale.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/20...DKK4vevuNk

[OutsiderFan]

Let me count the reasons I want to see the NCAA lose its non-profit status.

[OutsiderFan]

Let me count the reasons I want to see the NCAA lose its non-profit status.

[BostonCard]

Let me count the reasons I want to see the NCAA lose its non-profit status.

I tend to agree, but probably not for the reasons you think.  Be careful what you wish for is all I would say.

BC

[BostonCard]

Let me count the reasons I want to see the NCAA lose its non-profit status.

I tend to agree, but probably not for the reasons you think.  Be careful what you wish for is all I would say.

BC

[Phogge]

Why not wish for this moment: Stanford wins the tourney and Tara is handed the trophy and she says, “Thanks but you can keep it.” Then she runs for office.

[Phogge]

Why not wish for this moment: Stanford wins the tourney and Tara is handed the trophy and she says, “Thanks but you can keep it.” Then she runs for office.

[Nan3cy]

Was anyone else surprised to learn there’s no payoff to the schools in the women’s tournament, even the one whose team wins it all? I knew discrepancies were rampant, but that was news to me.

[Nan3cy]

Was anyone else surprised to learn there’s no payoff to the schools in the women’s tournament, even the one whose team wins it all? I knew discrepancies were rampant, but that was news to me.

[PVTree]

News to me. I would have thought there was some payout to the teams as they advance.

[PVTree]

News to me. I would have thought there was some payout to the teams as they advance.

[lex24]

I

News to me. I would have thought there was some payout to the teams as they advance.

The issue with facilities is shameful.  But the money payout or lack thereof is understandable.  The Men’s Tournament TV contract is 19.6 billion over 22 years. Women’s is part of other sports championships (men and women, 24 sports overall) that pays about 500 million over 14 years.

The Women’s NCAA tourney loses money.  The Men’s assuredly does not.

So while I completely agree with the outrage vis a vis facilities, etc., the payout discrepancy has a legitimate rationale. Now, if Men’s baseball is included in the 24and there is a payout, then that would be more of an example of sexism. As opposed to capitalism......

[lex24]

I

News to me. I would have thought there was some payout to the teams as they advance.

The issue with facilities is shameful.  But the money payout or lack thereof is understandable.  The Men’s Tournament TV contract is 19.6 billion over 22 years. Women’s is part of other sports championships (men and women, 24 sports overall) that pays about 500 million over 14 years.

The Women’s NCAA tourney loses money.  The Men’s assuredly does not.

So while I completely agree with the outrage vis a vis facilities, etc., the payout discrepancy has a legitimate rationale. Now, if Men’s baseball is included in the 24and there is a payout, then that would be more of an example of sexism. As opposed to capitalism......

[Goose]

The basic problem with this situation is that there is a payout at all to anyone. If we are speaking of student-athletes they are all amateurs. They are playing for the love of the game and the glory of their schools. Whenever somebody else is making money off of this, you are going to have a problem of some kind. No matter how that money is distributed, it can't be "fair". If the schools just got their expenses paid and the rest of the money (if any) went to charity them maybe it could be argued it was "fair". Absent something like that, there will always be problems ensuring the money went to the "right" places. Their will be somebody who (possibly justifiably) feels they are slighted.

[Goose]

The basic problem with this situation is that there is a payout at all to anyone. If we are speaking of student-athletes they are all amateurs. They are playing for the love of the game and the glory of their schools. Whenever somebody else is making money off of this, you are going to have a problem of some kind. No matter how that money is distributed, it can't be "fair". If the schools just got their expenses paid and the rest of the money (if any) went to charity them maybe it could be argued it was "fair". Absent something like that, there will always be problems ensuring the money went to the "right" places. Their will be somebody who (possibly justifiably) feels they are slighted.

[Mudhead]

I

News to me. I would have thought there was some payout to the teams as they advance.

The issue with facilities is shameful.  But the money payout or lack thereof is understandable.  The Men’s Tournament TV contract is 19.6 billion over 22 years. Women’s is part of other sports championships (men and women, 24 sports overall)  that pays about 500 million over 14 years. 

The Women’s NCAA tourney loses money.  The Men’s assuredly does not.

So while I completely agree with the outrage vis a vis facilities, etc., the payout discrepancy has  a legitimate rationale. Now, if Men’s baseball  is included in the 24and there is a payout, then that would be more of an example of sexism. As opposed to capitalism......

 Be careful. There is only a limited amount of tolerance here for reason. But I appreciate your bringing some to the outrage fest.  And you are dead right to share outrage about facilities issue and food. I’ll join that group as well, But I kind of lose interest at swag bags.

[Mudhead]

I

News to me. I would have thought there was some payout to the teams as they advance.

The issue with facilities is shameful.  But the money payout or lack thereof is understandable.  The Men’s Tournament TV contract is 19.6 billion over 22 years. Women’s is part of other sports championships (men and women, 24 sports overall)  that pays about 500 million over 14 years. 

The Women’s NCAA tourney loses money.  The Men’s assuredly does not.

So while I completely agree with the outrage vis a vis facilities, etc., the payout discrepancy has  a legitimate rationale. Now, if Men’s baseball  is included in the 24and there is a payout, then that would be more of an example of sexism. As opposed to capitalism......

 Be careful. There is only a limited amount of tolerance here for reason. But I appreciate your bringing some to the outrage fest.  And you are dead right to share outrage about facilities issue and food. I’ll join that group as well, But I kind of lose interest at swag bags.

[lex24]

The basic problem with this situation is that there is a payout at all to anyone. If we are speaking of student-athletes they are all amateurs. They are playing for the love of the game and the glory of their schools. Whenever somebody else is making money off of this, you are going to have a problem of some kind. No matter how that money is distributed, it can't be "fair". If the schools just got their expenses paid and the rest of the money (if any) went to charity them maybe it could be argued it was "fair". Absent something like that, there will always be problems ensuring the money went to the "right" places. Their will be somebody who (possibly justifiably) feels they are slighted.

Different issue.  And honestly if you pay the athletes, how is that done equitably?

[lex24]

The basic problem with this situation is that there is a payout at all to anyone. If we are speaking of student-athletes they are all amateurs. They are playing for the love of the game and the glory of their schools. Whenever somebody else is making money off of this, you are going to have a problem of some kind. No matter how that money is distributed, it can't be "fair". If the schools just got their expenses paid and the rest of the money (if any) went to charity them maybe it could be argued it was "fair". Absent something like that, there will always be problems ensuring the money went to the "right" places. Their will be somebody who (possibly justifiably) feels they are slighted.

Different issue.  And honestly if you pay the athletes, how is that done equitably?

[jonnyss]

News to me. I would have thought there was some payout to the teams as they advance.

The issue with facilities is shameful.  But the money payout or lack thereof is understandable.  The Men’s Tournament TV contract is 19.6 billion over 22 years. Women’s is part of other sports championships (men and women, 24 sports overall)  that pays about 500 million over 14 years. 

The Women’s NCAA tourney loses money.  The Men’s assuredly does not.

So while I completely agree with the outrage vis a vis facilities, etc., the payout discrepancy has  a legitimate rationale. Now, if Men’s baseball  is included in the 24and there is a payout, then that would be more of an example of sexism. As opposed to capitalism......

well, you could certainly package the men's and women's tournament together for tv.

somehow, usa soccer pays the women less than the men for the world cup even though the women bring in more ticket and tv revenue than the men. lots of creative accounting going on.

when you say the women's tournament loses money, is that before or after the NCAA pays its executives multi-millions?

[jonnyss]

News to me. I would have thought there was some payout to the teams as they advance.

The issue with facilities is shameful.  But the money payout or lack thereof is understandable.  The Men’s Tournament TV contract is 19.6 billion over 22 years. Women’s is part of other sports championships (men and women, 24 sports overall)  that pays about 500 million over 14 years. 

The Women’s NCAA tourney loses money.  The Men’s assuredly does not.

So while I completely agree with the outrage vis a vis facilities, etc., the payout discrepancy has  a legitimate rationale. Now, if Men’s baseball  is included in the 24and there is a payout, then that would be more of an example of sexism. As opposed to capitalism......

well, you could certainly package the men's and women's tournament together for tv.

somehow, usa soccer pays the women less than the men for the world cup even though the women bring in more ticket and tv revenue than the men. lots of creative accounting going on.

when you say the women's tournament loses money, is that before or after the NCAA pays its executives multi-millions?