[JohnR34231]

I miss contributions from LW and Garvin.

Garvin still comments on Facebook if you are interested.

[JohnR34231]

I miss contributions from LW and Garvin.

Garvin still comments on Facebook if you are interested.

[gailtate]

Big Red, Napa Red, FogCity, Teejers, YCF, CaffeinStan, Massasoit. No group-think here.

[gailtate]

Big Red, Napa Red, FogCity, Teejers, YCF, CaffeinStan, Massasoit. No group-think here.

[CardinalSagehen]

+1 to everyone welcoming alternate views

I for one cherish all forms of negativity, pessimism, dissent, hyperbole, cantankerousness, and irritability - just as I welcome irrational exuberance and positivity, and everything in between. (As long as negativity isn't directed at individuals personally.)  Anything else is just boring. 

I was on a webinar panel at work last week.  All the panelists, including me, agreed about basically everything under the sun.  Super, super boring.  I pitied the poor attendees.

[CardinalSagehen]

+1 to everyone welcoming alternate views

I for one cherish all forms of negativity, pessimism, dissent, hyperbole, cantankerousness, and irritability - just as I welcome irrational exuberance and positivity, and everything in between. (As long as negativity isn't directed at individuals personally.)  Anything else is just boring. 

I was on a webinar panel at work last week.  All the panelists, including me, agreed about basically everything under the sun.  Super, super boring.  I pitied the poor attendees.

[martyup]

+1 to everyone welcoming alternate views

I for one cherish all forms of negativity, pessimism, dissent, hyperbole, cantankerousness, and irritability - just as I welcome irrational exuberance and positivity, and everything in between. (As long as negativity isn't directed at individuals personally.)  Anything else is just boring. 

I was on a webinar panel at work last week.  All the panelists, including me, agreed about basically everything under the sun.  Super, super boring.  I pitied the poor attendees.

I totally agree.

[martyup]

+1 to everyone welcoming alternate views

I for one cherish all forms of negativity, pessimism, dissent, hyperbole, cantankerousness, and irritability - just as I welcome irrational exuberance and positivity, and everything in between. (As long as negativity isn't directed at individuals personally.)  Anything else is just boring. 

I was on a webinar panel at work last week.  All the panelists, including me, agreed about basically everything under the sun.  Super, super boring.  I pitied the poor attendees.

I totally agree.

[Embo]

+1 to everyone welcoming alternate views

I for one cherish all forms of negativity, pessimism, dissent, hyperbole, cantankerousness, and irritability - just as I welcome irrational exuberance and positivity, and everything in between. (As long as negativity isn't directed at individuals personally.)  Anything else is just boring. 

I was on a webinar panel at work last week.  All the panelists, including me, agreed about basically everything under the sun.  Super, super boring.  I pitied the poor attendees.

There's that old joke.  An uber-wealthy couple give birth to a beautiful baby boy.  He's perfectly healthy but as he grows, never utters a word.  All experts hired by the parents find no problems with his intelligence.  Then one day, at dinner, he says, "Peas are cold."  The father slumps to his knees to give thanks.  The mother bursts out in tears of joy.  She then asks, "Why haven't you spoken before?"  The boy replies, "Well, up to now, I had nothing to complain about."

Regarding Longwinded:  He cared, immensely.  And he showed up.  I made a post on the other board right before Big Game 2004.  That was an era of Stanford football I wouldn't mind scrubbing from the history books, much like the Stalinist regime erased people from photographs who fell into disfavor.  Heading into that Big Game, with Ted's buddy going up against Tedford at his peak as well as Aaron Rodgers, I had zero - zero - expectations of a Stanford win.  My post said that I was going only to keep my attendance streak intact.  LW replied he was taking his father and going for the same reason.  We could use many more fans like him.

[Embo]

+1 to everyone welcoming alternate views

I for one cherish all forms of negativity, pessimism, dissent, hyperbole, cantankerousness, and irritability - just as I welcome irrational exuberance and positivity, and everything in between. (As long as negativity isn't directed at individuals personally.)  Anything else is just boring. 

I was on a webinar panel at work last week.  All the panelists, including me, agreed about basically everything under the sun.  Super, super boring.  I pitied the poor attendees.

There's that old joke.  An uber-wealthy couple give birth to a beautiful baby boy.  He's perfectly healthy but as he grows, never utters a word.  All experts hired by the parents find no problems with his intelligence.  Then one day, at dinner, he says, "Peas are cold."  The father slumps to his knees to give thanks.  The mother bursts out in tears of joy.  She then asks, "Why haven't you spoken before?"  The boy replies, "Well, up to now, I had nothing to complain about."

Regarding Longwinded:  He cared, immensely.  And he showed up.  I made a post on the other board right before Big Game 2004.  That was an era of Stanford football I wouldn't mind scrubbing from the history books, much like the Stalinist regime erased people from photographs who fell into disfavor.  Heading into that Big Game, with Ted's buddy going up against Tedford at his peak as well as Aaron Rodgers, I had zero - zero - expectations of a Stanford win.  My post said that I was going only to keep my attendance streak intact.  LW replied he was taking his father and going for the same reason.  We could use many more fans like him.

[baymeadows3408]

Big Red, Napa Red, FogCity, Teejers, YCF, CaffeinStan, Massasoit. No group-think here.

I rarely post nowadays because I seldom have any insights to add, but I appreciate how this forum allows me to read everybody else's thoughts and observations. Over the years I have become increasingly ambivalent about collegiate and professional sports and their outsized influence on our society, which one of several reasons why I now follow Stanford athletics with relative detachment. I wrote and posted some dopey stuff on TOS back in the day, but it all came from a place of passion. I tip my cap to all of you, optimists and pessimists alike, who continue to support Stanford athletics with passion. As anybody who has attended Stanford Stadium and Maples Pavilion in recent years can attest, Stanford desperately needs passionate fans.

[baymeadows3408]

Big Red, Napa Red, FogCity, Teejers, YCF, CaffeinStan, Massasoit. No group-think here.

I rarely post nowadays because I seldom have any insights to add, but I appreciate how this forum allows me to read everybody else's thoughts and observations. Over the years I have become increasingly ambivalent about collegiate and professional sports and their outsized influence on our society, which one of several reasons why I now follow Stanford athletics with relative detachment. I wrote and posted some dopey stuff on TOS back in the day, but it all came from a place of passion. I tip my cap to all of you, optimists and pessimists alike, who continue to support Stanford athletics with passion. As anybody who has attended Stanford Stadium and Maples Pavilion in recent years can attest, Stanford desperately needs passionate fans.

[gailtate]

Big Red, Napa Red, FogCity, Teejers, YCF, CaffeinStan, Massasoit. No group-think here.

I rarely post nowadays because I seldom have any insights to add, but I appreciate how this forum allows me to read everybody else's thoughts and observations. Over the years I have become increasingly ambivalent about collegiate and professional sports and their outsized influence on our society, which one of several reasons why I now follow Stanford athletics with relative detachment. I wrote and posted some dopey stuff on TOS back in the day, but it all came from a place of passion. I tip my cap to all of you, optimists and pessimists alike, who continue to support Stanford athletics with passion. As anybody who has attended Stanford Stadium and Maples Pavilion in recent years can attest, Stanford desperately needs passionate fans.

Hear, hear YCF. The passion for Stanford football (and basketball to  lesser degree), as always, remains cultish. A small cult. But passionate.  Mine reached the top of the thermometer on January 1, 2016. Equaling the joy of those Rose Bowls in '71, '72, the Orange bowl in '11 and yet another Rose in '12. Something began to slip away, however, during the past decade. Today the joy eludes me. It still exists, I'm sure; it's just not in the same place I used to find it. It can still be felt, I'm sure, so I hope someone's enjoying it the same way I did. I brought my own passion. It was joyful and it was real.

[gailtate]

Big Red, Napa Red, FogCity, Teejers, YCF, CaffeinStan, Massasoit. No group-think here.

I rarely post nowadays because I seldom have any insights to add, but I appreciate how this forum allows me to read everybody else's thoughts and observations. Over the years I have become increasingly ambivalent about collegiate and professional sports and their outsized influence on our society, which one of several reasons why I now follow Stanford athletics with relative detachment. I wrote and posted some dopey stuff on TOS back in the day, but it all came from a place of passion. I tip my cap to all of you, optimists and pessimists alike, who continue to support Stanford athletics with passion. As anybody who has attended Stanford Stadium and Maples Pavilion in recent years can attest, Stanford desperately needs passionate fans.

Hear, hear YCF. The passion for Stanford football (and basketball to  lesser degree), as always, remains cultish. A small cult. But passionate.  Mine reached the top of the thermometer on January 1, 2016. Equaling the joy of those Rose Bowls in '71, '72, the Orange bowl in '11 and yet another Rose in '12. Something began to slip away, however, during the past decade. Today the joy eludes me. It still exists, I'm sure; it's just not in the same place I used to find it. It can still be felt, I'm sure, so I hope someone's enjoying it the same way I did. I brought my own passion. It was joyful and it was real.

[BostonCard]

Good to see you YCF, and I agree.  I think college football generally has become less fun and more money driven.  And Stanford has had to keep up with the Jones', to the detriment of its players.  I'm still interested, and still like to post in this community, and want to support our players, but outcomes are mattering less and less

BC

[BostonCard]

Good to see you YCF, and I agree.  I think college football generally has become less fun and more money driven.  And Stanford has had to keep up with the Jones', to the detriment of its players.  I'm still interested, and still like to post in this community, and want to support our players, but outcomes are mattering less and less

BC

[CardinalSagehen]

Good to see you YCF, and I agree.  I think college football generally has become less fun and more money driven.  And Stanford has had to keep up with the Jones', to the detriment of its players.  I'm still interested, and still like to post in this community, and want to support our players, but outcomes are mattering less and less

BC

Perhaps I'm less aware of the big picture of college football and the impacts on the players. It's enough for me to know that the Stanford program (in particular) puts highly valuable degrees in the hands of more young men than would otherwise have access to them.  

Concussions are harder to watch than they were 10 years ago, but banning or neutering football would seem like an overreaction.   

I also care less about the outcomes these days. For me, this is probably just a normal reaction to the reasonable expectation that the team is not going to be extraordinarily good. It's still sweet when we pull out unexpected wins, such as the last two games against UW. If the team improves, my level of expectations and energy will probably ratchet back up. In the meanwhile, I'm still watching and following closely...

[CardinalSagehen]

Good to see you YCF, and I agree.  I think college football generally has become less fun and more money driven.  And Stanford has had to keep up with the Jones', to the detriment of its players.  I'm still interested, and still like to post in this community, and want to support our players, but outcomes are mattering less and less

BC

Perhaps I'm less aware of the big picture of college football and the impacts on the players. It's enough for me to know that the Stanford program (in particular) puts highly valuable degrees in the hands of more young men than would otherwise have access to them.  

Concussions are harder to watch than they were 10 years ago, but banning or neutering football would seem like an overreaction.   

I also care less about the outcomes these days. For me, this is probably just a normal reaction to the reasonable expectation that the team is not going to be extraordinarily good. It's still sweet when we pull out unexpected wins, such as the last two games against UW. If the team improves, my level of expectations and energy will probably ratchet back up. In the meanwhile, I'm still watching and following closely...

[JohnR34231]

+1 to everyone welcoming alternate views

I for one cherish all forms of negativity, pessimism, dissent, hyperbole, cantankerousness, and irritability - just as I welcome irrational exuberance and positivity, and everything in between. (As long as negativity isn't directed at individuals personally.)  Anything else is just boring. 

I was on a webinar panel at work last week.  All the panelists, including me, agreed about basically everything under the sun.  Super, super boring.  I pitied the poor attendees.

There's that old joke.  An uber-wealthy couple give birth to a beautiful baby boy.  He's perfectly healthy but as he grows, never utters a word.  All experts hired by the parents find no problems with his intelligence.  Then one day, at dinner, he says, "Peas are cold."  The father slumps to his knees to give thanks.  The mother bursts out in tears of joy.  She then asks, "Why haven't you spoken before?"  The boy replies, "Well, up to now, I had nothing to complain about."

Regarding Longwinded:  He cared, immensely.  And he showed up.  I made a post on the other board right before Big Game 2004.  That was an era of Stanford football I wouldn't mind scrubbing from the history books, much like the Stalinist regime erased people from photographs who fell into disfavor.  Heading into that Big Game, with Ted's buddy going up against Tedford at his peak as well as Aaron Rodgers, I had zero - zero - expectations of a Stanford win.  My post said that I was going only to keep my attendance streak intact.  LW replied he was taking his father and going for the same reason.  We could use many more fans like him.

I remember Garvin saying he had the pleasure (I'm not being facetious here) of sitting next to LW at a Stanford football game. He said LW's disposition was a lot sunnier than you might expect from reading his posts. He also said you won't find a bigger Stanford sports fan.
So, maybe it's true that players play, coaches coach, and fans complain. Perhaps the bigger fan you are, the more you complain.

[JohnR34231]

+1 to everyone welcoming alternate views

I for one cherish all forms of negativity, pessimism, dissent, hyperbole, cantankerousness, and irritability - just as I welcome irrational exuberance and positivity, and everything in between. (As long as negativity isn't directed at individuals personally.)  Anything else is just boring. 

I was on a webinar panel at work last week.  All the panelists, including me, agreed about basically everything under the sun.  Super, super boring.  I pitied the poor attendees.

There's that old joke.  An uber-wealthy couple give birth to a beautiful baby boy.  He's perfectly healthy but as he grows, never utters a word.  All experts hired by the parents find no problems with his intelligence.  Then one day, at dinner, he says, "Peas are cold."  The father slumps to his knees to give thanks.  The mother bursts out in tears of joy.  She then asks, "Why haven't you spoken before?"  The boy replies, "Well, up to now, I had nothing to complain about."

Regarding Longwinded:  He cared, immensely.  And he showed up.  I made a post on the other board right before Big Game 2004.  That was an era of Stanford football I wouldn't mind scrubbing from the history books, much like the Stalinist regime erased people from photographs who fell into disfavor.  Heading into that Big Game, with Ted's buddy going up against Tedford at his peak as well as Aaron Rodgers, I had zero - zero - expectations of a Stanford win.  My post said that I was going only to keep my attendance streak intact.  LW replied he was taking his father and going for the same reason.  We could use many more fans like him.

I remember Garvin saying he had the pleasure (I'm not being facetious here) of sitting next to LW at a Stanford football game. He said LW's disposition was a lot sunnier than you might expect from reading his posts. He also said you won't find a bigger Stanford sports fan.
So, maybe it's true that players play, coaches coach, and fans complain. Perhaps the bigger fan you are, the more you complain.

[slide]

gailtate going really old school with some of those posters -- I think all of them may have been in the first 50 of the old fax Bootleg edition.

and good points on LW -- his sock drawer & Cronshagen & Brooks' hips comments etc notwithstanding.  in the way back machine, I recall the Toomer and Ball twins recruitments as part of the start of his disillusionment with university support for football.

[slide]

gailtate going really old school with some of those posters -- I think all of them may have been in the first 50 of the old fax Bootleg edition.

and good points on LW -- his sock drawer & Cronshagen & Brooks' hips comments etc notwithstanding.  in the way back machine, I recall the Toomer and Ball twins recruitments as part of the start of his disillusionment with university support for football.

[fullmetal]

I have no problem with opposing viewpoints.  I'm sad that a lot of formerly active posters have trailed off in their activity.  But I'm also going to say that opposing opinions should never be pushed to the point of acrimony or anger, and there are some yet-unnamed other posters who just DGAF about that.  

If someone is creating an atmosphere and using language where people wouldn't go out and have a drink after a bowl game together afterward, I don't think their opinions are worth it.  I value Stanford sports for the connections it creates with other Stanford fans, not for some artificial title of "best opinion holder" or "most zealous."  Being right has never been worth breaking camaraderie.

It's just sports.  And Stanford ought to be the best at them.

[fullmetal]

I have no problem with opposing viewpoints.  I'm sad that a lot of formerly active posters have trailed off in their activity.  But I'm also going to say that opposing opinions should never be pushed to the point of acrimony or anger, and there are some yet-unnamed other posters who just DGAF about that.  

If someone is creating an atmosphere and using language where people wouldn't go out and have a drink after a bowl game together afterward, I don't think their opinions are worth it.  I value Stanford sports for the connections it creates with other Stanford fans, not for some artificial title of "best opinion holder" or "most zealous."  Being right has never been worth breaking camaraderie.

It's just sports.  And Stanford ought to be the best at them.

[French Rage]

I hope we're good enough to get an invite to the Jimmy Kimmel LA Bowl: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LA_Bowl

[French Rage]

I hope we're good enough to get an invite to the Jimmy Kimmel LA Bowl: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LA_Bowl

[gailtate]

I hope we're good enough to get an invite to the Jimmy Kimmel LA Bowl: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LA_Bowl

Jimmy Kimmel, yes. Jimmy Fallon, no. Conan O'Brien, yes. Stephen Colbert, no.

[gailtate]

I hope we're good enough to get an invite to the Jimmy Kimmel LA Bowl: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LA_Bowl

Jimmy Kimmel, yes. Jimmy Fallon, no. Conan O'Brien, yes. Stephen Colbert, no.

[Phogge]

Steve Allen yes, Jack Paar no.

[Phogge]

Steve Allen yes, Jack Paar no.

[CowboyIndian]

Steve Allen yes, Jack Paar no.

Indeed! Shmok! Shmok!

[CowboyIndian]

Steve Allen yes, Jack Paar no.

Indeed! Shmok! Shmok!

[gailtate]

Steve Allen yes, Jack Paar no.

Carson, yes. What came after, nope.

[gailtate]

Steve Allen yes, Jack Paar no.

Carson, yes. What came after, nope.

[Phogge]

Steve Allen yes, Jack Paar no.

Indeed! Shmok! Shmok!

Audrey Meadows Yes, Jayne Meadows no.

[Phogge]

Steve Allen yes, Jack Paar no.

Indeed! Shmok! Shmok!

Audrey Meadows Yes, Jayne Meadows no.

[CowboyIndian]

Steve Allen yes, Jack Paar no.

Indeed! Shmok! Shmok!

Audrey Meadows Yes, Jayne Meadows no.

Bay Meadows Yes and Mark Meadows....Hell, no!

[CowboyIndian]

Steve Allen yes, Jack Paar no.

Indeed! Shmok! Shmok!

Audrey Meadows Yes, Jayne Meadows no.

Bay Meadows Yes and Mark Meadows....Hell, no!

[gailtate]

Steve Allen yes, Jack Paar no.

Indeed! Shmok! Shmok!

Audrey Meadows Yes, Jayne Meadows no.

Bay Meadows Yes and Mark Meadows....Hell, no!

Inspired. Brilliant!

[gailtate]

Steve Allen yes, Jack Paar no.

Indeed! Shmok! Shmok!

Audrey Meadows Yes, Jayne Meadows no.

Bay Meadows Yes and Mark Meadows....Hell, no!

Inspired. Brilliant!