12-01-2021, 06:59 PM
Done well as DC and great as a recruiter.
Marcus Freeman new HC at Notre Dame
12-02-2021, 12:36 AM
Who?
Better an unknown than a name brand like Meyer or a rising star like the Cincy coach.
I wonder what USB fans think of the hire.
Better an unknown than a name brand like Meyer or a rising star like the Cincy coach.
I wonder what USB fans think of the hire.
12-02-2021, 06:13 AM
(12-02-2021, 12:36 AM)PVTree Wrote: Who?
Better an unknown than a name brand like Meyer or a rising star like the Cincy coach.
I wonder what USB fans think of the hire.
This demonstrates how little you know about the inner workings of ND football. Not that you should know, but the fan base is ECSTATIC about making Freeman the HC. It's kind of analogous to when Harbaugh left. Stanford fans were really happy David Shaw was elevated to HC from being a coordinator on the staff.
Like Shaw, Freeman oversaw an impressive unit and does well on camera. Freeman, perhaps unlike Shaw, is also known as a fantastic recruiter, though I think in Shaw's case that box was checked by the "who better than a guy who played at Stanford" to sell it. So a lot of similarities between Freeman and Shaw. Plus, they are both Black men if that is materially relevant.
(12-02-2021, 12:36 AM)PVTree Wrote: Who?
Better an unknown than a name brand like Meyer or a rising star like the Cincy coach.
I wonder what USB fans think of the hire.
This demonstrates how little you know about the inner workings of ND football. Not that you should know, but the fan base is ECSTATIC about making Freeman the HC. It's kind of analogous to when Harbaugh left. Stanford fans were really happy David Shaw was elevated to HC from being a coordinator on the staff.
Like Shaw, Freeman oversaw an impressive unit and does well on camera. Freeman, perhaps unlike Shaw, is also known as a fantastic recruiter, though I think in Shaw's case that box was checked by the "who better than a guy who played at Stanford" to sell it. So a lot of similarities between Freeman and Shaw. Plus, they are both Black men if that is materially relevant.
12-02-2021, 06:25 AM
I for one would never want to know about the inner workings of Domer football. I hold the program in contempt because of the entitled expectations of the fan base. I equate it with the entitled American upper class. I am giddy when they lose a football game.
Workers of the world unite.
Workers of the world unite.
I for one would never want to know about the inner workings of Domer football. I hold the program in contempt because of the entitled expectations of the fan base. I equate it with the entitled American upper class. I am giddy when they lose a football game.
Workers of the world unite.
Workers of the world unite.
12-02-2021, 07:13 AM
12-02-2021, 08:09 AM
(12-02-2021, 06:25 AM)Phogge Wrote: I for one would never want to know about the inner workings of Domer football. I hold the program in contempt because of the entitled expectations of the fan base. I equate it with the entitled American upper class. I am giddy when they lose a football game.
Workers of the world unite.
I'm guessing that Notre Dame fans think the opposite of themselves, particularly the subway alumni. I'm definitely -- definitely -- no fan of Notre Dame, but for different reasons.
Audaces fortuna iuvat
(12-02-2021, 06:25 AM)Phogge Wrote: I for one would never want to know about the inner workings of Domer football. I hold the program in contempt because of the entitled expectations of the fan base. I equate it with the entitled American upper class. I am giddy when they lose a football game.
Workers of the world unite.
I'm guessing that Notre Dame fans think the opposite of themselves, particularly the subway alumni. I'm definitely -- definitely -- no fan of Notre Dame, but for different reasons.
Audaces fortuna iuvat
12-02-2021, 09:03 AM
back in Aug 2021
https://thespun.com/independents/notre-d...notre-dame
Quote:Earlier this week, Notre Dame head coach Brian Kelly made a comment that has Fighting Irish fans buzzing.
He spoke to a panel of Steph Curry, Dell Curry, Vince Carter, Jimmy Rollins, Justin Tuck, CC Sabathia and Kyle Rudolph. During the conversation about race, Kelly said the team’s current defensive coordinator, Marcus Freeman, would be “the” next head coach.
“My defensive coordinator is black, and he’s going to be the next head coach,” Kelly said via CBS Sports. “This is not about color or race. This is about the things that he just talked about. Steph talked about the important things to be a CEO and understanding how to make people around you better.”
https://thespun.com/independents/notre-d...notre-dame
Eric
"the older we get the better we were"
back in Aug 2021
https://thespun.com/independents/notre-d...notre-dame
Quote:Earlier this week, Notre Dame head coach Brian Kelly made a comment that has Fighting Irish fans buzzing.
He spoke to a panel of Steph Curry, Dell Curry, Vince Carter, Jimmy Rollins, Justin Tuck, CC Sabathia and Kyle Rudolph. During the conversation about race, Kelly said the team’s current defensive coordinator, Marcus Freeman, would be “the” next head coach.
“My defensive coordinator is black, and he’s going to be the next head coach,” Kelly said via CBS Sports. “This is not about color or race. This is about the things that he just talked about. Steph talked about the important things to be a CEO and understanding how to make people around you better.”
https://thespun.com/independents/notre-d...notre-dame
Eric
"the older we get the better we were"
12-02-2021, 09:58 AM
(12-02-2021, 06:13 AM)OutsiderFan Wrote:(12-02-2021, 12:36 AM)PVTree Wrote: Who?
Better an unknown than a name brand like Meyer or a rising star like the Cincy coach.
I wonder what USB fans think of the hire.
This demonstrates how little you know about the inner workings of ND football. Not that you should know, but the fan base is ECSTATIC about making Freeman the HC. It's kind of analogous to when Harbaugh left. Stanford fans were really happy David Shaw was elevated to HC from being a coordinator on the staff.
Like Shaw, Freeman oversaw an impressive unit and does well on camera. Freeman, perhaps unlike Shaw, is also known as a fantastic recruiter, though I think in Shaw's case that box was checked by the "who better than a guy who played at Stanford" to sell it. So a lot of similarities between Freeman and Shaw. Plus, they are both Black men if that is materially relevant.
My only perspective is from the POV of a Stanford fanatic, not the inner gizzards of USB football. I consider myself an above-average follower of college football in general, obviously, not as much as you follow it.
Freeman could be in a lineup with George Clooney, Shaq, Antonio Banderas, and Jackie Chan and I might still have trouble identifying him. He's an unknown to me, and I suspect, to many others with my similar dedication to following college football.
I don't consider it a splash hire for them and am happy about it as a Stanford fan.
(12-02-2021, 06:13 AM)OutsiderFan Wrote:(12-02-2021, 12:36 AM)PVTree Wrote: Who?
Better an unknown than a name brand like Meyer or a rising star like the Cincy coach.
I wonder what USB fans think of the hire.
This demonstrates how little you know about the inner workings of ND football. Not that you should know, but the fan base is ECSTATIC about making Freeman the HC. It's kind of analogous to when Harbaugh left. Stanford fans were really happy David Shaw was elevated to HC from being a coordinator on the staff.
Like Shaw, Freeman oversaw an impressive unit and does well on camera. Freeman, perhaps unlike Shaw, is also known as a fantastic recruiter, though I think in Shaw's case that box was checked by the "who better than a guy who played at Stanford" to sell it. So a lot of similarities between Freeman and Shaw. Plus, they are both Black men if that is materially relevant.
My only perspective is from the POV of a Stanford fanatic, not the inner gizzards of USB football. I consider myself an above-average follower of college football in general, obviously, not as much as you follow it.
Freeman could be in a lineup with George Clooney, Shaq, Antonio Banderas, and Jackie Chan and I might still have trouble identifying him. He's an unknown to me, and I suspect, to many others with my similar dedication to following college football.
I don't consider it a splash hire for them and am happy about it as a Stanford fan.
12-02-2021, 10:03 AM
(12-02-2021, 09:58 AM)PVTree Wrote:(12-02-2021, 06:13 AM)OutsiderFan Wrote:(12-02-2021, 12:36 AM)PVTree Wrote: Who?
Better an unknown than a name brand like Meyer or a rising star like the Cincy coach.
I wonder what USB fans think of the hire.
This demonstrates how little you know about the inner workings of ND football. Not that you should know, but the fan base is ECSTATIC about making Freeman the HC. It's kind of analogous to when Harbaugh left. Stanford fans were really happy David Shaw was elevated to HC from being a coordinator on the staff.
Like Shaw, Freeman oversaw an impressive unit and does well on camera. Freeman, perhaps unlike Shaw, is also known as a fantastic recruiter, though I think in Shaw's case that box was checked by the "who better than a guy who played at Stanford" to sell it. So a lot of similarities between Freeman and Shaw. Plus, they are both Black men if that is materially relevant.
My only perspective is from the POV of a Stanford fanatic, not the inner gizzards of USB football. I consider myself an above-average follower of college football in general, obviously, not as much as you follow it.
Freeman could be in a lineup with George Clooney, Shaq, Antonio Banderas, and Jackie Chan and I might still have trouble identifying him. He's an unknown to me, and I suspect, to many others with my similar dedication to following college football.
I don't consider it a splash hire for them and am happy about it as a Stanford fan.
Promoting from within seemed to work for the Ducks, not so much for the Huskies.
We'll see how it goes for the Domers.
(12-02-2021, 09:58 AM)PVTree Wrote:(12-02-2021, 06:13 AM)OutsiderFan Wrote:(12-02-2021, 12:36 AM)PVTree Wrote: Who?
Better an unknown than a name brand like Meyer or a rising star like the Cincy coach.
I wonder what USB fans think of the hire.
This demonstrates how little you know about the inner workings of ND football. Not that you should know, but the fan base is ECSTATIC about making Freeman the HC. It's kind of analogous to when Harbaugh left. Stanford fans were really happy David Shaw was elevated to HC from being a coordinator on the staff.
Like Shaw, Freeman oversaw an impressive unit and does well on camera. Freeman, perhaps unlike Shaw, is also known as a fantastic recruiter, though I think in Shaw's case that box was checked by the "who better than a guy who played at Stanford" to sell it. So a lot of similarities between Freeman and Shaw. Plus, they are both Black men if that is materially relevant.
My only perspective is from the POV of a Stanford fanatic, not the inner gizzards of USB football. I consider myself an above-average follower of college football in general, obviously, not as much as you follow it.
Freeman could be in a lineup with George Clooney, Shaq, Antonio Banderas, and Jackie Chan and I might still have trouble identifying him. He's an unknown to me, and I suspect, to many others with my similar dedication to following college football.
I don't consider it a splash hire for them and am happy about it as a Stanford fan.
Promoting from within seemed to work for the Ducks, not so much for the Huskies.
We'll see how it goes for the Domers.
(12-02-2021, 09:58 AM)PVTree Wrote:(12-02-2021, 06:13 AM)OutsiderFan Wrote:(12-02-2021, 12:36 AM)PVTree Wrote: Who?
Better an unknown than a name brand like Meyer or a rising star like the Cincy coach.
I wonder what USB fans think of the hire.
This demonstrates how little you know about the inner workings of ND football. Not that you should know, but the fan base is ECSTATIC about making Freeman the HC. It's kind of analogous to when Harbaugh left. Stanford fans were really happy David Shaw was elevated to HC from being a coordinator on the staff.
Like Shaw, Freeman oversaw an impressive unit and does well on camera. Freeman, perhaps unlike Shaw, is also known as a fantastic recruiter, though I think in Shaw's case that box was checked by the "who better than a guy who played at Stanford" to sell it. So a lot of similarities between Freeman and Shaw. Plus, they are both Black men if that is materially relevant.
My only perspective is from the POV of a Stanford fanatic, not the inner gizzards of USB football. I consider myself an above-average follower of college football in general, obviously, not as much as you follow it.
Freeman could be in a lineup with George Clooney, Shaq, Antonio Banderas, and Jackie Chan and I might still have trouble identifying him. He's an unknown to me, and I suspect, to many others with my similar dedication to following college football.
I don't consider it a splash hire for them and am happy about it as a Stanford fan.
I would agree that it is not a splash hire, like the ones USC and LSU made. However, I would suggest that it may be a better hire than those made by the acronyms. Freeman is well-known in the college coaching ranks as a premier recruiter and a guy for whom it was only a matter of time before he got a head coaching job at a top program. Too many programs are timid and unwilling to make a bold hire, preferring the safe route which inevitably leads to mediocrity. I think ND demonstrated they are ahead of the hiring curve by making this choice.
(12-02-2021, 09:58 AM)PVTree Wrote:(12-02-2021, 06:13 AM)OutsiderFan Wrote:(12-02-2021, 12:36 AM)PVTree Wrote: Who?
Better an unknown than a name brand like Meyer or a rising star like the Cincy coach.
I wonder what USB fans think of the hire.
This demonstrates how little you know about the inner workings of ND football. Not that you should know, but the fan base is ECSTATIC about making Freeman the HC. It's kind of analogous to when Harbaugh left. Stanford fans were really happy David Shaw was elevated to HC from being a coordinator on the staff.
Like Shaw, Freeman oversaw an impressive unit and does well on camera. Freeman, perhaps unlike Shaw, is also known as a fantastic recruiter, though I think in Shaw's case that box was checked by the "who better than a guy who played at Stanford" to sell it. So a lot of similarities between Freeman and Shaw. Plus, they are both Black men if that is materially relevant.
My only perspective is from the POV of a Stanford fanatic, not the inner gizzards of USB football. I consider myself an above-average follower of college football in general, obviously, not as much as you follow it.
Freeman could be in a lineup with George Clooney, Shaq, Antonio Banderas, and Jackie Chan and I might still have trouble identifying him. He's an unknown to me, and I suspect, to many others with my similar dedication to following college football.
I don't consider it a splash hire for them and am happy about it as a Stanford fan.
I would agree that it is not a splash hire, like the ones USC and LSU made. However, I would suggest that it may be a better hire than those made by the acronyms. Freeman is well-known in the college coaching ranks as a premier recruiter and a guy for whom it was only a matter of time before he got a head coaching job at a top program. Too many programs are timid and unwilling to make a bold hire, preferring the safe route which inevitably leads to mediocrity. I think ND demonstrated they are ahead of the hiring curve by making this choice.
12-02-2021, 10:40 AM
(12-02-2021, 09:58 AM)PVTree Wrote:(12-02-2021, 06:13 AM)OutsiderFan Wrote:(12-02-2021, 12:36 AM)PVTree Wrote: Who?
Better an unknown than a name brand like Meyer or a rising star like the Cincy coach.
I wonder what USB fans think of the hire.
This demonstrates how little you know about the inner workings of ND football. Not that you should know, but the fan base is ECSTATIC about making Freeman the HC. It's kind of analogous to when Harbaugh left. Stanford fans were really happy David Shaw was elevated to HC from being a coordinator on the staff.
Like Shaw, Freeman oversaw an impressive unit and does well on camera. Freeman, perhaps unlike Shaw, is also known as a fantastic recruiter, though I think in Shaw's case that box was checked by the "who better than a guy who played at Stanford" to sell it. So a lot of similarities between Freeman and Shaw. Plus, they are both Black men if that is materially relevant.
My only perspective is from the POV of a Stanford fanatic, not the inner gizzards of USB football. I consider myself an above-average follower of college football in general, obviously, not as much as you follow it.
Freeman could be in a lineup with George Clooney, Shaq, Antonio Banderas, and Jackie Chan and I might still have trouble identifying him. He's an unknown to me, and I suspect, to many others with my similar dedication to following college football.
I don't consider it a splash hire for them and am happy about it as a Stanford fan.
The first time I heard of Freeman was watching a little of the game this past weekend when the broadcasters talked about him. Then, when Kelly departed, I went to Twitter and it became obvious there was an enthusiastic consensus that Freeman was the ideal Kelly replacement. IOW, I too couldn't have identified him at this time last week. It was just overwhelming to me to see how much support there was for elevating Freeman to HC.
It may not be a splash hire in terms of the casual observer, but for those who follow ND and the greater college football world closely, it certainly seems to be going over very well. The fact Freeman has assistants staying with him and not following Kelly says a lot too.
(12-02-2021, 09:58 AM)PVTree Wrote:(12-02-2021, 06:13 AM)OutsiderFan Wrote:(12-02-2021, 12:36 AM)PVTree Wrote: Who?
Better an unknown than a name brand like Meyer or a rising star like the Cincy coach.
I wonder what USB fans think of the hire.
This demonstrates how little you know about the inner workings of ND football. Not that you should know, but the fan base is ECSTATIC about making Freeman the HC. It's kind of analogous to when Harbaugh left. Stanford fans were really happy David Shaw was elevated to HC from being a coordinator on the staff.
Like Shaw, Freeman oversaw an impressive unit and does well on camera. Freeman, perhaps unlike Shaw, is also known as a fantastic recruiter, though I think in Shaw's case that box was checked by the "who better than a guy who played at Stanford" to sell it. So a lot of similarities between Freeman and Shaw. Plus, they are both Black men if that is materially relevant.
My only perspective is from the POV of a Stanford fanatic, not the inner gizzards of USB football. I consider myself an above-average follower of college football in general, obviously, not as much as you follow it.
Freeman could be in a lineup with George Clooney, Shaq, Antonio Banderas, and Jackie Chan and I might still have trouble identifying him. He's an unknown to me, and I suspect, to many others with my similar dedication to following college football.
I don't consider it a splash hire for them and am happy about it as a Stanford fan.
The first time I heard of Freeman was watching a little of the game this past weekend when the broadcasters talked about him. Then, when Kelly departed, I went to Twitter and it became obvious there was an enthusiastic consensus that Freeman was the ideal Kelly replacement. IOW, I too couldn't have identified him at this time last week. It was just overwhelming to me to see how much support there was for elevating Freeman to HC.
It may not be a splash hire in terms of the casual observer, but for those who follow ND and the greater college football world closely, it certainly seems to be going over very well. The fact Freeman has assistants staying with him and not following Kelly says a lot too.
12-02-2021, 10:51 AM
(12-02-2021, 10:40 AM)OutsiderFan Wrote: The fact Freeman has assistants staying with him and not following Kelly says a lot too.
Not sure what it says. I seem to recall that Saban sent a plane to pick up any assistants that wanted to join him at LSU when he left Michigan State. Nobody got on the plane. . . .
Free Phogge!!!! And no, crimson doesn't refer to the Tide.
(12-02-2021, 10:40 AM)OutsiderFan Wrote: The fact Freeman has assistants staying with him and not following Kelly says a lot too.
Not sure what it says. I seem to recall that Saban sent a plane to pick up any assistants that wanted to join him at LSU when he left Michigan State. Nobody got on the plane. . . .
Free Phogge!!!! And no, crimson doesn't refer to the Tide.
12-02-2021, 10:52 AM
I wouldn't doubt that this was all worked out before Kelly made the final decision to take the job at LSU. Perhaps as part of the negotiations over the separation agreement.
Put a glide in your stride and a dip in your hip.
12-02-2021, 11:32 AM
(12-02-2021, 10:52 AM)martyup Wrote: I wouldn't doubt that this was all worked out before Kelly made the final decision to take the job at LSU. Perhaps as part of the negotiations over the separation agreement.
The assistants may view Kelly & Re-building LSU a bit too much, most if not all of the assistants are relatively new to ND except for Reece the OC who played under Kelly during the re-build. The new coaches may have inside info from past ND assistants what Kelly is like during losing streaks during the re-build of the domers.
(12-02-2021, 10:52 AM)martyup Wrote: I wouldn't doubt that this was all worked out before Kelly made the final decision to take the job at LSU. Perhaps as part of the negotiations over the separation agreement.
The assistants may view Kelly & Re-building LSU a bit too much, most if not all of the assistants are relatively new to ND except for Reece the OC who played under Kelly during the re-build. The new coaches may have inside info from past ND assistants what Kelly is like during losing streaks during the re-build of the domers.
(12-02-2021, 10:40 AM)OutsiderFan Wrote:(12-02-2021, 09:58 AM)PVTree Wrote:(12-02-2021, 06:13 AM)OutsiderFan Wrote:(12-02-2021, 12:36 AM)PVTree Wrote: Who?
Better an unknown than a name brand like Meyer or a rising star like the Cincy coach.
I wonder what USB fans think of the hire.
This demonstrates how little you know about the inner workings of ND football. Not that you should know, but the fan base is ECSTATIC about making Freeman the HC. It's kind of analogous to when Harbaugh left. Stanford fans were really happy David Shaw was elevated to HC from being a coordinator on the staff.
Like Shaw, Freeman oversaw an impressive unit and does well on camera. Freeman, perhaps unlike Shaw, is also known as a fantastic recruiter, though I think in Shaw's case that box was checked by the "who better than a guy who played at Stanford" to sell it. So a lot of similarities between Freeman and Shaw. Plus, they are both Black men if that is materially relevant.
My only perspective is from the POV of a Stanford fanatic, not the inner gizzards of USB football. I consider myself an above-average follower of college football in general, obviously, not as much as you follow it.
Freeman could be in a lineup with George Clooney, Shaq, Antonio Banderas, and Jackie Chan and I might still have trouble identifying him. He's an unknown to me, and I suspect, to many others with my similar dedication to following college football.
I don't consider it a splash hire for them and am happy about it as a Stanford fan.
The first time I heard of Freeman was watching a little of the game this past weekend when the broadcasters talked about him. Then, when Kelly departed, I went to Twitter and it became obvious there was an enthusiastic consensus that Freeman was the ideal Kelly replacement. IOW, I too couldn't have identified him at this time last week. It was just overwhelming to me to see how much support there was for elevating Freeman to HC.
It may not be a splash hire in terms of the casual observer, but for those who follow ND and the greater college football world closely, it certainly seems to be going over very well. The fact Freeman has assistants staying with him and not following Kelly says a lot too.
Irish will flourish and prosper, no matter what. NIL, conference chaos, portals, end of the world? Meh. ND will prevail in perpetuity. And for as long as the status at Stanford remains "quo" in Shaw's delusional world, the game will be a gimme on their schedule. I used to troll their board back when Stanford was relevant and read the posts after they'd lost. No teeth gnashing to speak of. The general takeaway: that Stanford's FB success was destined for a 3-5 year lifespan before reverting to the mean. This was after the 2015 CMac game. I dismissed it as Irish sour grapes. Hah.
Life is too short to waste on crap football.
(12-02-2021, 10:40 AM)OutsiderFan Wrote:(12-02-2021, 09:58 AM)PVTree Wrote:(12-02-2021, 06:13 AM)OutsiderFan Wrote:(12-02-2021, 12:36 AM)PVTree Wrote: Who?
Better an unknown than a name brand like Meyer or a rising star like the Cincy coach.
I wonder what USB fans think of the hire.
This demonstrates how little you know about the inner workings of ND football. Not that you should know, but the fan base is ECSTATIC about making Freeman the HC. It's kind of analogous to when Harbaugh left. Stanford fans were really happy David Shaw was elevated to HC from being a coordinator on the staff.
Like Shaw, Freeman oversaw an impressive unit and does well on camera. Freeman, perhaps unlike Shaw, is also known as a fantastic recruiter, though I think in Shaw's case that box was checked by the "who better than a guy who played at Stanford" to sell it. So a lot of similarities between Freeman and Shaw. Plus, they are both Black men if that is materially relevant.
My only perspective is from the POV of a Stanford fanatic, not the inner gizzards of USB football. I consider myself an above-average follower of college football in general, obviously, not as much as you follow it.
Freeman could be in a lineup with George Clooney, Shaq, Antonio Banderas, and Jackie Chan and I might still have trouble identifying him. He's an unknown to me, and I suspect, to many others with my similar dedication to following college football.
I don't consider it a splash hire for them and am happy about it as a Stanford fan.
The first time I heard of Freeman was watching a little of the game this past weekend when the broadcasters talked about him. Then, when Kelly departed, I went to Twitter and it became obvious there was an enthusiastic consensus that Freeman was the ideal Kelly replacement. IOW, I too couldn't have identified him at this time last week. It was just overwhelming to me to see how much support there was for elevating Freeman to HC.
It may not be a splash hire in terms of the casual observer, but for those who follow ND and the greater college football world closely, it certainly seems to be going over very well. The fact Freeman has assistants staying with him and not following Kelly says a lot too.
Irish will flourish and prosper, no matter what. NIL, conference chaos, portals, end of the world? Meh. ND will prevail in perpetuity. And for as long as the status at Stanford remains "quo" in Shaw's delusional world, the game will be a gimme on their schedule. I used to troll their board back when Stanford was relevant and read the posts after they'd lost. No teeth gnashing to speak of. The general takeaway: that Stanford's FB success was destined for a 3-5 year lifespan before reverting to the mean. This was after the 2015 CMac game. I dismissed it as Irish sour grapes. Hah.
Life is too short to waste on crap football.
12-02-2021, 12:24 PM
(12-02-2021, 06:13 AM)OutsiderFan Wrote:(12-02-2021, 12:36 AM)PVTree Wrote: Who?
Better an unknown than a name brand like Meyer or a rising star like the Cincy coach.
I wonder what USB fans think of the hire.
This demonstrates how little you know about the inner workings of ND football. Not that you should know, but the fan base is ECSTATIC about making Freeman the HC. It's kind of analogous to when Harbaugh left. Stanford fans were really happy David Shaw was elevated to HC from being a coordinator on the staff.
Like Shaw, Freeman oversaw an impressive unit and does well on camera. Freeman, perhaps unlike Shaw, is also known as a fantastic recruiter, though I think in Shaw's case that box was checked by the "who better than a guy who played at Stanford" to sell it. So a lot of similarities between Freeman and Shaw. Plus, they are both Black men if that is materially relevant.
First, not all Stanford fans were pleased Shaw was named successor to Harbaugh. In fact, I'd venture 50/50 split.
There is one GINORMOUS distinction between Freeman and Shaw (as Sea Hang on TOS noted): the former is a hot commodity (in addition to being an excellent recruiter), the latter was the furthest thing from it when Harbaugh left. Word is that Kelly tried to get both Freeman and Rees to join him in Baton Rouge. Harbaugh did not invite Shaw to the 'Niners. In fact, there is a real question as to where Shaw would have gone had he not secured the Stanford gig. Freeman, otoh, is smoking hot and has developed an enthusiastic and avid following amongst the players. I don't recall that being the case for Shaw back then - though I do recall Baldwin being an advocate for him.
(12-02-2021, 06:13 AM)OutsiderFan Wrote:(12-02-2021, 12:36 AM)PVTree Wrote: Who?
Better an unknown than a name brand like Meyer or a rising star like the Cincy coach.
I wonder what USB fans think of the hire.
This demonstrates how little you know about the inner workings of ND football. Not that you should know, but the fan base is ECSTATIC about making Freeman the HC. It's kind of analogous to when Harbaugh left. Stanford fans were really happy David Shaw was elevated to HC from being a coordinator on the staff.
Like Shaw, Freeman oversaw an impressive unit and does well on camera. Freeman, perhaps unlike Shaw, is also known as a fantastic recruiter, though I think in Shaw's case that box was checked by the "who better than a guy who played at Stanford" to sell it. So a lot of similarities between Freeman and Shaw. Plus, they are both Black men if that is materially relevant.
First, not all Stanford fans were pleased Shaw was named successor to Harbaugh. In fact, I'd venture 50/50 split.
There is one GINORMOUS distinction between Freeman and Shaw (as Sea Hang on TOS noted): the former is a hot commodity (in addition to being an excellent recruiter), the latter was the furthest thing from it when Harbaugh left. Word is that Kelly tried to get both Freeman and Rees to join him in Baton Rouge. Harbaugh did not invite Shaw to the 'Niners. In fact, there is a real question as to where Shaw would have gone had he not secured the Stanford gig. Freeman, otoh, is smoking hot and has developed an enthusiastic and avid following amongst the players. I don't recall that being the case for Shaw back then - though I do recall Baldwin being an advocate for him.
12-02-2021, 03:16 PM
(12-02-2021, 12:24 PM)teejers1 Wrote:(12-02-2021, 06:13 AM)OutsiderFan Wrote:(12-02-2021, 12:36 AM)PVTree Wrote: Who?
Better an unknown than a name brand like Meyer or a rising star like the Cincy coach.
I wonder what USB fans think of the hire.
This demonstrates how little you know about the inner workings of ND football. Not that you should know, but the fan base is ECSTATIC about making Freeman the HC. It's kind of analogous to when Harbaugh left. Stanford fans were really happy David Shaw was elevated to HC from being a coordinator on the staff.
Like Shaw, Freeman oversaw an impressive unit and does well on camera. Freeman, perhaps unlike Shaw, is also known as a fantastic recruiter, though I think in Shaw's case that box was checked by the "who better than a guy who played at Stanford" to sell it. So a lot of similarities between Freeman and Shaw. Plus, they are both Black men if that is materially relevant.
First, not all Stanford fans were pleased Shaw was named successor to Harbaugh. In fact, I'd venture 50/50 split.
There is one GINORMOUS distinction between Freeman and Shaw (as Sea Hang on TOS noted): the former is a hot commodity (in addition to being an excellent recruiter), the latter was the furthest thing from it when Harbaugh left. Word is that Kelly tried to get both Freeman and Rees to join him in Baton Rouge. Harbaugh did not invite Shaw to the 'Niners. In fact, there is a real question as to where Shaw would have gone had he not secured the Stanford gig. Freeman, otoh, is smoking hot and has developed an enthusiastic and avid following amongst the players. I don't recall that being the case for Shaw back then - though I do recall Baldwin being an advocate for him.
The word on the street back in the wake of the 2010 season, when Harbaugh bolted for the 'Niners, was that Shaw's selection had a lot to do with continuity: the 2010 team, at 11-1 in the regular season, had been one Oregon loss away from the BCS championship game; and continuing Harbaugh's legacy, at least for the immediate future, was seen as top priority. The general consensus was that Shaw would ensure that continuity; and with Luck coming back for an additional season, 2011 might be Stanford's magic year if all the stars (including the coach) were to align. Well, they almost did; but another loss to Oregon, this time at home, meant we would not be contending for a national championship. Instead, Bama got to exact revenge for their 6-9 regular season OT loss to LSU and shut out the Bayou Bengals in the BCS championship game 21-0.
(12-02-2021, 12:24 PM)teejers1 Wrote:(12-02-2021, 06:13 AM)OutsiderFan Wrote:(12-02-2021, 12:36 AM)PVTree Wrote: Who?
Better an unknown than a name brand like Meyer or a rising star like the Cincy coach.
I wonder what USB fans think of the hire.
This demonstrates how little you know about the inner workings of ND football. Not that you should know, but the fan base is ECSTATIC about making Freeman the HC. It's kind of analogous to when Harbaugh left. Stanford fans were really happy David Shaw was elevated to HC from being a coordinator on the staff.
Like Shaw, Freeman oversaw an impressive unit and does well on camera. Freeman, perhaps unlike Shaw, is also known as a fantastic recruiter, though I think in Shaw's case that box was checked by the "who better than a guy who played at Stanford" to sell it. So a lot of similarities between Freeman and Shaw. Plus, they are both Black men if that is materially relevant.
First, not all Stanford fans were pleased Shaw was named successor to Harbaugh. In fact, I'd venture 50/50 split.
There is one GINORMOUS distinction between Freeman and Shaw (as Sea Hang on TOS noted): the former is a hot commodity (in addition to being an excellent recruiter), the latter was the furthest thing from it when Harbaugh left. Word is that Kelly tried to get both Freeman and Rees to join him in Baton Rouge. Harbaugh did not invite Shaw to the 'Niners. In fact, there is a real question as to where Shaw would have gone had he not secured the Stanford gig. Freeman, otoh, is smoking hot and has developed an enthusiastic and avid following amongst the players. I don't recall that being the case for Shaw back then - though I do recall Baldwin being an advocate for him.
The word on the street back in the wake of the 2010 season, when Harbaugh bolted for the 'Niners, was that Shaw's selection had a lot to do with continuity: the 2010 team, at 11-1 in the regular season, had been one Oregon loss away from the BCS championship game; and continuing Harbaugh's legacy, at least for the immediate future, was seen as top priority. The general consensus was that Shaw would ensure that continuity; and with Luck coming back for an additional season, 2011 might be Stanford's magic year if all the stars (including the coach) were to align. Well, they almost did; but another loss to Oregon, this time at home, meant we would not be contending for a national championship. Instead, Bama got to exact revenge for their 6-9 regular season OT loss to LSU and shut out the Bayou Bengals in the BCS championship game 21-0.
12-02-2021, 04:24 PM
(12-02-2021, 03:16 PM)Austroturf Wrote:(12-02-2021, 12:24 PM)teejers1 Wrote:(12-02-2021, 06:13 AM)OutsiderFan Wrote:(12-02-2021, 12:36 AM)PVTree Wrote: Who?
Better an unknown than a name brand like Meyer or a rising star like the Cincy coach.
I wonder what USB fans think of the hire.
This demonstrates how little you know about the inner workings of ND football. Not that you should know, but the fan base is ECSTATIC about making Freeman the HC. It's kind of analogous to when Harbaugh left. Stanford fans were really happy David Shaw was elevated to HC from being a coordinator on the staff.
Like Shaw, Freeman oversaw an impressive unit and does well on camera. Freeman, perhaps unlike Shaw, is also known as a fantastic recruiter, though I think in Shaw's case that box was checked by the "who better than a guy who played at Stanford" to sell it. So a lot of similarities between Freeman and Shaw. Plus, they are both Black men if that is materially relevant.
First, not all Stanford fans were pleased Shaw was named successor to Harbaugh. In fact, I'd venture 50/50 split.
There is one GINORMOUS distinction between Freeman and Shaw (as Sea Hang on TOS noted): the former is a hot commodity (in addition to being an excellent recruiter), the latter was the furthest thing from it when Harbaugh left. Word is that Kelly tried to get both Freeman and Rees to join him in Baton Rouge. Harbaugh did not invite Shaw to the 'Niners. In fact, there is a real question as to where Shaw would have gone had he not secured the Stanford gig. Freeman, otoh, is smoking hot and has developed an enthusiastic and avid following amongst the players. I don't recall that being the case for Shaw back then - though I do recall Baldwin being an advocate for him.
The word on the street back in the wake of the 2010 season, when Harbaugh bolted for the 'Niners, was that Shaw's selection had a lot to do with continuity: the 2010 team, at 11-1 in the regular season, had been one Oregon loss away from the BCS championship game; and continuing Harbaugh's legacy, at least for the immediate future, was seen as top priority. The general consensus was that Shaw would ensure that continuity; and with Luck coming back for an additional season, 2011 might be Stanford's magic year if all the stars (including the coach) were to align. Well, they almost did; but another loss to Oregon, this time at home, meant we would not be contending for a national championship. Instead, Bama got to exact revenge for their 6-9 regular season OT loss to LSU and shut out the Bayou Bengals in the BCS championship game 21-0.
Shaw wasn't the only Stanford assistant coach who put his hat in the ring for the HC job. I believe there were 3.
(12-02-2021, 03:16 PM)Austroturf Wrote:(12-02-2021, 12:24 PM)teejers1 Wrote:(12-02-2021, 06:13 AM)OutsiderFan Wrote:(12-02-2021, 12:36 AM)PVTree Wrote: Who?
Better an unknown than a name brand like Meyer or a rising star like the Cincy coach.
I wonder what USB fans think of the hire.
This demonstrates how little you know about the inner workings of ND football. Not that you should know, but the fan base is ECSTATIC about making Freeman the HC. It's kind of analogous to when Harbaugh left. Stanford fans were really happy David Shaw was elevated to HC from being a coordinator on the staff.
Like Shaw, Freeman oversaw an impressive unit and does well on camera. Freeman, perhaps unlike Shaw, is also known as a fantastic recruiter, though I think in Shaw's case that box was checked by the "who better than a guy who played at Stanford" to sell it. So a lot of similarities between Freeman and Shaw. Plus, they are both Black men if that is materially relevant.
First, not all Stanford fans were pleased Shaw was named successor to Harbaugh. In fact, I'd venture 50/50 split.
There is one GINORMOUS distinction between Freeman and Shaw (as Sea Hang on TOS noted): the former is a hot commodity (in addition to being an excellent recruiter), the latter was the furthest thing from it when Harbaugh left. Word is that Kelly tried to get both Freeman and Rees to join him in Baton Rouge. Harbaugh did not invite Shaw to the 'Niners. In fact, there is a real question as to where Shaw would have gone had he not secured the Stanford gig. Freeman, otoh, is smoking hot and has developed an enthusiastic and avid following amongst the players. I don't recall that being the case for Shaw back then - though I do recall Baldwin being an advocate for him.
The word on the street back in the wake of the 2010 season, when Harbaugh bolted for the 'Niners, was that Shaw's selection had a lot to do with continuity: the 2010 team, at 11-1 in the regular season, had been one Oregon loss away from the BCS championship game; and continuing Harbaugh's legacy, at least for the immediate future, was seen as top priority. The general consensus was that Shaw would ensure that continuity; and with Luck coming back for an additional season, 2011 might be Stanford's magic year if all the stars (including the coach) were to align. Well, they almost did; but another loss to Oregon, this time at home, meant we would not be contending for a national championship. Instead, Bama got to exact revenge for their 6-9 regular season OT loss to LSU and shut out the Bayou Bengals in the BCS championship game 21-0.
Shaw wasn't the only Stanford assistant coach who put his hat in the ring for the HC job. I believe there were 3.
12-02-2021, 08:26 PM
Shaw and Fangio for sure. Not sure who else.
Shaw’s big advantage was that after dealing with two years of “will he or won’t he”, a successful alum could make Stanford a destination job. Fangio always had designs on returning to the NFL, and even after following Harbaugh to San Francisco, he did not follow Harbaugh to Michigan, but stayed in the NFL to DC the Bears, and then head coach the Broncos.
BC
Shaw’s big advantage was that after dealing with two years of “will he or won’t he”, a successful alum could make Stanford a destination job. Fangio always had designs on returning to the NFL, and even after following Harbaugh to San Francisco, he did not follow Harbaugh to Michigan, but stayed in the NFL to DC the Bears, and then head coach the Broncos.
BC
Shaw and Fangio for sure. Not sure who else.
Shaw’s big advantage was that after dealing with two years of “will he or won’t he”, a successful alum could make Stanford a destination job. Fangio always had designs on returning to the NFL, and even after following Harbaugh to San Francisco, he did not follow Harbaugh to Michigan, but stayed in the NFL to DC the Bears, and then head coach the Broncos.
BC
Shaw’s big advantage was that after dealing with two years of “will he or won’t he”, a successful alum could make Stanford a destination job. Fangio always had designs on returning to the NFL, and even after following Harbaugh to San Francisco, he did not follow Harbaugh to Michigan, but stayed in the NFL to DC the Bears, and then head coach the Broncos.
BC
12-02-2021, 09:11 PM
(12-02-2021, 08:26 PM)BostonCard Wrote: Shaw and Fangio for sure. Not sure who else.
Shaw’s big advantage was that after dealing with two years of “will he or won’t he”, a successful alum could make Stanford a destination job. Fangio always had designs on returning to the NFL, and even after following Harbaugh to San Francisco, he did not follow Harbaugh to Michigan, but stayed in the NFL to DC the Bears, and then head coach the Broncos.
BC
Hazy memory, but wasn't Roman a possibility?
Free Phogge!!!! And no, crimson doesn't refer to the Tide.
(12-02-2021, 08:26 PM)BostonCard Wrote: Shaw and Fangio for sure. Not sure who else.
Shaw’s big advantage was that after dealing with two years of “will he or won’t he”, a successful alum could make Stanford a destination job. Fangio always had designs on returning to the NFL, and even after following Harbaugh to San Francisco, he did not follow Harbaugh to Michigan, but stayed in the NFL to DC the Bears, and then head coach the Broncos.
BC
Hazy memory, but wasn't Roman a possibility?
Free Phogge!!!! And no, crimson doesn't refer to the Tide.
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