[JJJ]

So bummed. Even my wife was getting ready to go. :(

[JJJ]

So bummed. Even my wife was getting ready to go. :(

[burger]

Bummer.  Hope everyone is okay.

Unfortunately, omicron is going to do a number on the spring sports.  I doubt any team will avoid it.

[burger]

Bummer.  Hope everyone is okay.

Unfortunately, omicron is going to do a number on the spring sports.  I doubt any team will avoid it.

[Bampa]

I just read that Hawaii has the biggest percentage increase in Covid infections in the country.

Hope everyone is well...

[Bampa]

I just read that Hawaii has the biggest percentage increase in Covid infections in the country.

Hope everyone is well...

[JJJ]

I just read that Hawaii has the biggest percentage increase in Covid infections in the country.

Hope everyone is well...

Partially a function of the low starting point. We went from under 200 hundred to over 1500 cases each of the last 4 days. 

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2021...cases.html

Lines for testing sites are now quite long.

https://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/2021/12/25...christmas/

[JJJ]

I just read that Hawaii has the biggest percentage increase in Covid infections in the country.

Hope everyone is well...

Partially a function of the low starting point. We went from under 200 hundred to over 1500 cases each of the last 4 days. 

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2021...cases.html

Lines for testing sites are now quite long.

https://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/2021/12/25...christmas/

[82lsju]

"Stanford team-related activities have been paused, and the status of future games is to be determined."

https://gostanford.com/news/2021/12/25/m...elled.aspx

[82lsju]

"Stanford team-related activities have been paused, and the status of future games is to be determined."

https://gostanford.com/news/2021/12/25/m...elled.aspx

[BACardinal]

This is why I'm hesitant to book any trips to away games. I was considering going to to LA games for the women in February but am holding off until the last minute to book a hotel. It'll probably cost more money for late bookings but it's the only option with Covid, especially with the LA schools.

[BACardinal]

This is why I'm hesitant to book any trips to away games. I was considering going to to LA games for the women in February but am holding off until the last minute to book a hotel. It'll probably cost more money for late bookings but it's the only option with Covid, especially with the LA schools.

[chrisk]

Do they have to stay in Hawaii until they test negative? (at least the ones that tested positive). Do they have a charter flight?

[chrisk]

Do they have to stay in Hawaii until they test negative? (at least the ones that tested positive). Do they have a charter flight?

[Farm93]

This is why I'm hesitant to book any trips to away games. I was considering going to to LA games for the women in February but am holding off until the last minute to book a hotel. It'll probably cost more money for late bookings but it's the only option with Covid, especially with the LA schools.

Completely agree.   My guess is flying to Hawaii and/or interacting with enough people in the transportation and hospitality industries made this inevitable.  Not a big deal for a regular season basketball game, but if I had a team in the CFP semis I would have them embracing the full time use of N95 masks and absolutely no interaction with anyone outside of our team bubble.

The team that utilizes the NBA style bubble approach may be the one that wins the CFP.   And since Cincy must have the smallest entourage maybe they will be the CFP champs.

[Farm93]

This is why I'm hesitant to book any trips to away games. I was considering going to to LA games for the women in February but am holding off until the last minute to book a hotel. It'll probably cost more money for late bookings but it's the only option with Covid, especially with the LA schools.

Completely agree.   My guess is flying to Hawaii and/or interacting with enough people in the transportation and hospitality industries made this inevitable.  Not a big deal for a regular season basketball game, but if I had a team in the CFP semis I would have them embracing the full time use of N95 masks and absolutely no interaction with anyone outside of our team bubble.

The team that utilizes the NBA style bubble approach may be the one that wins the CFP.   And since Cincy must have the smallest entourage maybe they will be the CFP champs.

[magnus]

This is why I'm hesitant to book any trips to away games. I was considering going to to LA games for the women in February but am holding off until the last minute to book a hotel. It'll probably cost more money for late bookings but it's the only option with Covid, especially with the LA schools.

You might be able to save some money by booking a hotel with a cancelation option (might be a little more than the prepaid option but cheaper than last second purchases).  And if you're flying and you have Southwest points, those are fully refundable so buy with points now.  (As opposed to buying with cash which is only refundable as credit for a year)

[magnus]

This is why I'm hesitant to book any trips to away games. I was considering going to to LA games for the women in February but am holding off until the last minute to book a hotel. It'll probably cost more money for late bookings but it's the only option with Covid, especially with the LA schools.

You might be able to save some money by booking a hotel with a cancelation option (might be a little more than the prepaid option but cheaper than last second purchases).  And if you're flying and you have Southwest points, those are fully refundable so buy with points now.  (As opposed to buying with cash which is only refundable as credit for a year)

[teejers1]

This is why I'm hesitant to book any trips to away games. I was considering going to to LA games for the women in February but am holding off until the last minute to book a hotel. It'll probably cost more money for late bookings but it's the only option with Covid, especially with the LA schools.

Completely agree.   My guess is flying to Hawaii and/or interacting with enough people in the transportation and hospitality industries made this inevitable.  Not a big deal for a regular season basketball game, but if I had a team in the CFP semis I would have them embracing the full time use of N95 masks and absolutely no interaction with anyone outside of our team bubble.

The team that utilizes the NBA style bubble approach may be the one that wins the CFP.   And since Cincy must have the smallest entourage maybe they will be the CFP champs.

I suspect Covid protocols will be modified to reflect the reality that few (if any) of these competitors are actually sick - or sick beyond typical cold symptoms, maybe some flu symptoms.  In light of that, why not just play the games with those who test negative?  Or those vaccinated who test negative?

All these "close contact" prohibitions are of dubious value, imo, in the real world.  And they certainly do economic harm (not to mention emotional harm, for lack of a better term).

We'll see . . .

[teejers1]

This is why I'm hesitant to book any trips to away games. I was considering going to to LA games for the women in February but am holding off until the last minute to book a hotel. It'll probably cost more money for late bookings but it's the only option with Covid, especially with the LA schools.

Completely agree.   My guess is flying to Hawaii and/or interacting with enough people in the transportation and hospitality industries made this inevitable.  Not a big deal for a regular season basketball game, but if I had a team in the CFP semis I would have them embracing the full time use of N95 masks and absolutely no interaction with anyone outside of our team bubble.

The team that utilizes the NBA style bubble approach may be the one that wins the CFP.   And since Cincy must have the smallest entourage maybe they will be the CFP champs.

I suspect Covid protocols will be modified to reflect the reality that few (if any) of these competitors are actually sick - or sick beyond typical cold symptoms, maybe some flu symptoms.  In light of that, why not just play the games with those who test negative?  Or those vaccinated who test negative?

All these "close contact" prohibitions are of dubious value, imo, in the real world.  And they certainly do economic harm (not to mention emotional harm, for lack of a better term).

We'll see . . .

[BostonCard]

I would imagine we could move to a “test to stay” model, as my kids’ schools have.  For close contacts, as long as daily rapid tests are negative, they can play.

I think it would be hard to justify sending positive players out there, even if asymptomatic.  It’s not that they would be in danger, but that they run the risk of infecting others, and although most of the other players they are playing with are low risk, not everyone they come in contact with (coaches, support staff, etc.) will be, so it is best to isolate known positives until they are no longer infectious. What that time period ought to be is up to debate, but a relatively short period (7 days, or even 5, down from ten may be ok.

BC

[BostonCard]

I would imagine we could move to a “test to stay” model, as my kids’ schools have.  For close contacts, as long as daily rapid tests are negative, they can play.

I think it would be hard to justify sending positive players out there, even if asymptomatic.  It’s not that they would be in danger, but that they run the risk of infecting others, and although most of the other players they are playing with are low risk, not everyone they come in contact with (coaches, support staff, etc.) will be, so it is best to isolate known positives until they are no longer infectious. What that time period ought to be is up to debate, but a relatively short period (7 days, or even 5, down from ten may be ok.

BC

[Phogge]

This is going to continue again and again and again until we treat it like we did WWII.

[Phogge]

This is going to continue again and again and again until we treat it like we did WWII.

[Jamesy]

Per the pac-12 covid guidelines, asymptomatic vaccinated athletes don't need to quarantine after a close contact with a positive person. This makes me think that there were enough positives that they didn't have the minimum number of players to field a team.

[Jamesy]

Per the pac-12 covid guidelines, asymptomatic vaccinated athletes don't need to quarantine after a close contact with a positive person. This makes me think that there were enough positives that they didn't have the minimum number of players to field a team.

[M T]

Per the pac-12 covid guidelines, asymptomatic vaccinated athletes don't need to quarantine after a close contact with a positive person. This makes me think that there were enough positives that they didn't have the minimum number of players to field a team.

But of course, neither the NCAA nor the PAC-12 overrides the local health department requirements, nor contravene the CDC guidelines.  (For Honolulu, the requirements for organized indoor sports require participants to follow CDC guidelines for quarantine if exposed to a person with confirmed or probably COVID.  31.a.iv.5.  Per this, the CDC continues to recommend 14 day quarantine, with the option of a 7 or 10 day quarantine if local health authorities choose that.)

Instead of testing with rapid antigen tests to see who is positive or negative, maybe they should flip a coin.  The rapid antigen results could be only slightly better than a coin flip for those that would test positive by PCR.  And, just to be sure, in case someone comes up heads positive,make a rule that you should try and try again until they come up tails negative.  Then just let them play.  That seems to be what some seem to want. (What you don't see in that graphic is that all who tested positive by rapid antigen were positive by PCR -- no false positives)

If 20 kids are in a class and all would test positive for COVID on Monday and each takes a (properly administered and evaluated) rapid antigen test every day and continue to come to class as long as their tests are all negative, about 9 will show up for class that day.  4 on Tuesday,  (about) 2 on Wednesday, and (about) 1 on Thursday.  By then, the teacher will have been well exposed.     The same math works for a basketball team.   (But, if those kids quarantine because they were exposed, they wouldn't have gone to school.)

Another way to put it, if a team gets N positive rapid antigen tests, there are probably close to N of the negative tests that would test positive on a PCR test.  Quarantine due to prior close contact isn't just for healthy people that might develop the infection, it can also cover infected people whose test results were false negatives.

It is unfortunate that the Stanford MBB got infected.  Hopefully, it will be mild for them.  I hope they didn't spread it any further.

[M T]

Per the pac-12 covid guidelines, asymptomatic vaccinated athletes don't need to quarantine after a close contact with a positive person. This makes me think that there were enough positives that they didn't have the minimum number of players to field a team.

But of course, neither the NCAA nor the PAC-12 overrides the local health department requirements, nor contravene the CDC guidelines.  (For Honolulu, the requirements for organized indoor sports require participants to follow CDC guidelines for quarantine if exposed to a person with confirmed or probably COVID.  31.a.iv.5.  Per this, the CDC continues to recommend 14 day quarantine, with the option of a 7 or 10 day quarantine if local health authorities choose that.)

Instead of testing with rapid antigen tests to see who is positive or negative, maybe they should flip a coin.  The rapid antigen results could be only slightly better than a coin flip for those that would test positive by PCR.  And, just to be sure, in case someone comes up heads positive,make a rule that you should try and try again until they come up tails negative.  Then just let them play.  That seems to be what some seem to want. (What you don't see in that graphic is that all who tested positive by rapid antigen were positive by PCR -- no false positives)

If 20 kids are in a class and all would test positive for COVID on Monday and each takes a (properly administered and evaluated) rapid antigen test every day and continue to come to class as long as their tests are all negative, about 9 will show up for class that day.  4 on Tuesday,  (about) 2 on Wednesday, and (about) 1 on Thursday.  By then, the teacher will have been well exposed.     The same math works for a basketball team.   (But, if those kids quarantine because they were exposed, they wouldn't have gone to school.)

Another way to put it, if a team gets N positive rapid antigen tests, there are probably close to N of the negative tests that would test positive on a PCR test.  Quarantine due to prior close contact isn't just for healthy people that might develop the infection, it can also cover infected people whose test results were false negatives.

It is unfortunate that the Stanford MBB got infected.  Hopefully, it will be mild for them.  I hope they didn't spread it any further.

[Jamesy]

Per the pac-12 covid guidelines, asymptomatic vaccinated athletes don't need to quarantine after a close contact with a positive person. This makes me think that there were enough positives that they didn't have the minimum number of players to field a team.

But of course, neither the NCAA nor the PAC-12 overrides the local health department requirements, nor contravene the CDC guidelines.  (For Honolulu, the requirements for organized indoor sports require participants to follow CDC guidelines for quarantine if exposed to a person with confirmed or probably COVID.  31.a.iv.5.  Per this, the CDC continues to recommend 14 day quarantine, with the option of a 7 or 10 day quarantine if local health authorities choose that.)

Instead of testing with rapid antigen tests to see who is positive or negative, maybe they should flip a coin.  The rapid antigen results could be only slightly better than a coin flip for those that would test positive by PCR.  And, just to be sure, in case someone comes up heads positive,make a rule that you should try and try again until they come up tails negative.  Then just let them play.  That seems to be what some seem to want. (What you don't see in that graphic is that all who tested positive by rapid antigen were positive by PCR -- no false positives)

If 20 kids are in a class and all would test positive for COVID on Monday and each takes a (properly administered and evaluated) rapid antigen test every day and continue to come to class as long as their tests are all negative, about 9 will show up for class that day.  4 on Tuesday,  (about) 2 on Wednesday, and (about) 1 on Thursday.  By then, the teacher will have been well exposed.     The same math works for a basketball team.   (But, if those kids quarantine because they were exposed, they wouldn't have gone to school.)

Another way to put it, if a team gets N positive rapid antigen tests, there are probably close to N of the negative tests that would test positive on a PCR test.  Quarantine due to prior close contact isn't just for healthy people that might develop the infection, it can also cover infected people whose test results were false negatives.

It is unfortunate that the Stanford MBB got infected.  Hopefully, it will be mild for them.  I hope they didn't spread it any further.

Cdc also says asymptomatic vaccinated close contacts don't need to quarantine https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-nco...3109360882. The link you posted is an archived one, per the header at the top of the page. 

What makes you think the positives were from a rapid test and not pcr?

[Jamesy]

Per the pac-12 covid guidelines, asymptomatic vaccinated athletes don't need to quarantine after a close contact with a positive person. This makes me think that there were enough positives that they didn't have the minimum number of players to field a team.

But of course, neither the NCAA nor the PAC-12 overrides the local health department requirements, nor contravene the CDC guidelines.  (For Honolulu, the requirements for organized indoor sports require participants to follow CDC guidelines for quarantine if exposed to a person with confirmed or probably COVID.  31.a.iv.5.  Per this, the CDC continues to recommend 14 day quarantine, with the option of a 7 or 10 day quarantine if local health authorities choose that.)

Instead of testing with rapid antigen tests to see who is positive or negative, maybe they should flip a coin.  The rapid antigen results could be only slightly better than a coin flip for those that would test positive by PCR.  And, just to be sure, in case someone comes up heads positive,make a rule that you should try and try again until they come up tails negative.  Then just let them play.  That seems to be what some seem to want. (What you don't see in that graphic is that all who tested positive by rapid antigen were positive by PCR -- no false positives)

If 20 kids are in a class and all would test positive for COVID on Monday and each takes a (properly administered and evaluated) rapid antigen test every day and continue to come to class as long as their tests are all negative, about 9 will show up for class that day.  4 on Tuesday,  (about) 2 on Wednesday, and (about) 1 on Thursday.  By then, the teacher will have been well exposed.     The same math works for a basketball team.   (But, if those kids quarantine because they were exposed, they wouldn't have gone to school.)

Another way to put it, if a team gets N positive rapid antigen tests, there are probably close to N of the negative tests that would test positive on a PCR test.  Quarantine due to prior close contact isn't just for healthy people that might develop the infection, it can also cover infected people whose test results were false negatives.

It is unfortunate that the Stanford MBB got infected.  Hopefully, it will be mild for them.  I hope they didn't spread it any further.

Cdc also says asymptomatic vaccinated close contacts don't need to quarantine https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-nco...3109360882. The link you posted is an archived one, per the header at the top of the page. 

What makes you think the positives were from a rapid test and not pcr?

[Hurlburt88]

If a bunch of our players have tested positive, my hope is first that symptoms are minimal and second that the conferred immunity means no positive test later in the season.

[Hurlburt88]

If a bunch of our players have tested positive, my hope is first that symptoms are minimal and second that the conferred immunity means no positive test later in the season.

[BACardinal]

During the Liberty vs. BYU game when they announced the cancelation of the Stanford game they said it was four players on the team who tested positive for Covid. 

My guess is that it was important players and they didn't want to play the reserves and get crushed or that Vandy didn't want to chance it and play a team with an outbreak and possibly jeperardize their season/record. Playing four players down is doable.

[BACardinal]

During the Liberty vs. BYU game when they announced the cancelation of the Stanford game they said it was four players on the team who tested positive for Covid. 

My guess is that it was important players and they didn't want to play the reserves and get crushed or that Vandy didn't want to chance it and play a team with an outbreak and possibly jeperardize their season/record. Playing four players down is doable.

[2006alum]

During the Liberty vs. BYU game when they announced the cancelation of the Stanford game they said it was four players on the team who tested positive for Covid. 

My guess is that it was important players and they didn't want to play the reserves and get crushed or that Vandy didn't want to chance it and play a team with an outbreak and possibly jeperardize their season/record. Playing four players down is doable.

My guess is that if there were four positive cases on the team, those four were close contacts with many more players who will likely test positive too, and it wouldn't make any sense to play where presumptively soon-to-be-positive players are on the floor with Vandy's players, especially when I assume everyone will need to test negative before they can go home.

Sigh.

[2006alum]

During the Liberty vs. BYU game when they announced the cancelation of the Stanford game they said it was four players on the team who tested positive for Covid. 

My guess is that it was important players and they didn't want to play the reserves and get crushed or that Vandy didn't want to chance it and play a team with an outbreak and possibly jeperardize their season/record. Playing four players down is doable.

My guess is that if there were four positive cases on the team, those four were close contacts with many more players who will likely test positive too, and it wouldn't make any sense to play where presumptively soon-to-be-positive players are on the floor with Vandy's players, especially when I assume everyone will need to test negative before they can go home.

Sigh.

[BostonCard]

It’s unclear whether an asymptomatic PCR positive but antigen negative test patient is contagious.  PCR is an incredibly sensitive test; it just measures whether there is viral RNA in the sample, but viral RNA can persist long after someone has cleared an infection (which is why there is no advice to await a negative test after isolation, since PCR tests can remain positive long after the virus has been cleared).  

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-02661-2

Although the PCR method can test whether someone is infectious, it also detects people who have the virus but are not likely to spread it.

If it were up to me, I would test close contacts to a COVID case with rapid antigen tests prior to any team activity (practice, game, etc) for a week, and allow them to participate as long as they were asymptomatic and the rapid antigen test were negative. If they developed symptoms, then I would probably move to a PCR based test.

BC

[BostonCard]

It’s unclear whether an asymptomatic PCR positive but antigen negative test patient is contagious.  PCR is an incredibly sensitive test; it just measures whether there is viral RNA in the sample, but viral RNA can persist long after someone has cleared an infection (which is why there is no advice to await a negative test after isolation, since PCR tests can remain positive long after the virus has been cleared).  

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-02661-2

Although the PCR method can test whether someone is infectious, it also detects people who have the virus but are not likely to spread it.

If it were up to me, I would test close contacts to a COVID case with rapid antigen tests prior to any team activity (practice, game, etc) for a week, and allow them to participate as long as they were asymptomatic and the rapid antigen test were negative. If they developed symptoms, then I would probably move to a PCR based test.

BC

[Oskidunker]

It didn't end up mattering, but the last foul on Keefe was NOT a foul.  And frankly, the last one on Jones wasn't one either.

I only saw last 5 mins, but Spencer Jones won that game for Stanford.

The FT shooting is just piss poor every time I watch.  DeLaire was the only guy I saw make two in a row.  

Keefe shot an AIR BALL from the FT line!!!

He needs to do as the Chef does with treys: shoot 100 or more a day until he reaches 60% made of the last 50. Seriously. air ball from the FT line? Why aren't the coaches forcing him to adopt a smoother form? As he is, he's a permanent debit in crunch time.

Of course The Chef usually hits 90-95 of his 100 trey attempts after practice. I'd settle for Keefe hitting 30 of his last 50.

Is the Cal game likely a no go?

[Oskidunker]

It didn't end up mattering, but the last foul on Keefe was NOT a foul.  And frankly, the last one on Jones wasn't one either.

I only saw last 5 mins, but Spencer Jones won that game for Stanford.

The FT shooting is just piss poor every time I watch.  DeLaire was the only guy I saw make two in a row.  

Keefe shot an AIR BALL from the FT line!!!

He needs to do as the Chef does with treys: shoot 100 or more a day until he reaches 60% made of the last 50. Seriously. air ball from the FT line? Why aren't the coaches forcing him to adopt a smoother form? As he is, he's a permanent debit in crunch time.

Of course The Chef usually hits 90-95 of his 100 trey attempts after practice. I'd settle for Keefe hitting 30 of his last 50.

Is the Cal game likely a no go?