01-25-2022, 11:52 AM
Looks like Cal is postponing it's game against Arizona (was Friday) ahead of the Wildcats heading to Maples
General WBB 21-22 Season
(01-25-2022, 11:51 AM)Baez87 Wrote: USA Today just released this week's Coaches Poll. Stanford is ranked #2, consistent with the Sportswriters Poll. Two things of note, the Coaches Poll has a high/low column which shows the range of rankings that various coaches chose (Stanford ranges from 2 to 5 in the poll); it also list the voting coaches names (Mike Neighbors, Jeff Walz, and Lynn Roberts are among them).Wow, so whoever voted Stanford 5th, had to have voted either 4 loss UConn or 6 loss Maryland in the top 4. These are the only teams, along with SC, NCState, and Louisville with top 4 votes. Crazy
According to the site, "The voters represent each of the 32 Division I conferences that receive an automatic bid to the NCAA tournament. Each coach submits a Top 25 with a first-place vote worth 25 points, second place 24, and so on down to one point for 25th."
This week's Coaches Poll
Edit: Or the hi/lo might be wrong. They have SC with a hi/lo of 1/1, even though Stanford got 1 of the 32 1st place votes.
(01-25-2022, 11:51 AM)Baez87 Wrote: USA Today just released this week's Coaches Poll. Stanford is ranked #2, consistent with the Sportswriters Poll. Two things of note, the Coaches Poll has a high/low column which shows the range of rankings that various coaches chose (Stanford ranges from 2 to 5 in the poll); it also list the voting coaches names (Mike Neighbors, Jeff Walz, and Lynn Roberts are among them).Wow, so whoever voted Stanford 5th, had to have voted either 4 loss UConn or 6 loss Maryland in the top 4. These are the only teams, along with SC, NCState, and Louisville with top 4 votes. Crazy
According to the site, "The voters represent each of the 32 Division I conferences that receive an automatic bid to the NCAA tournament. Each coach submits a Top 25 with a first-place vote worth 25 points, second place 24, and so on down to one point for 25th."
This week's Coaches Poll
Edit: Or the hi/lo might be wrong. They have SC with a hi/lo of 1/1, even though Stanford got 1 of the 32 1st place votes.
(01-25-2022, 11:51 AM)Baez87 Wrote: USA Today just released this week's Coaches Poll. Stanford is ranked #2, consistent with the Sportswriters Poll. Two things of note, the Coaches Poll has a high/low column which shows the range of rankings that various coaches chose (Stanford ranges from 2 to 5 in the poll); it also list the voting coaches names (Mike Neighbors, Jeff Walz, and Lynn Roberts are among them).
According to the site, "The voters represent each of the 32 Division I conferences that receive an automatic bid to the NCAA tournament. Each coach submits a Top 25 with a first-place vote worth 25 points, second place 24, and so on down to one point for 25th."
This week's Coaches Poll
I think you're misinterpreting hi/low. I think that is the high & low ranking for the team on the weekly polls.
I was surprised to see C. Vivian Stringer listed in the panel of coaches. She continues on leave of absence and "is not permitted to have contact with her team while on the leave of absence" because NCAA rules limit schools to 4 coaches. She is guaranteed $1M salary for this year, plus a $200K bonus for signing in April 2021 (!!!) when she started her leave of absence. She has previously claimed credit for coaching games she was not at. I disagree with the opinion of this article that suggests it is up to the school to designate the wins this season belong to her or the acting head coach. The NCAA rule only allows this in the case due to illness or unexpected circumstances.
I see reports of different reasons for her leave: to care for a child & to avoid COVID. Having that much paid salary when someone else is paid to do her job is more than generous of Rutgers. However, it is, IMO, disingenuous to claim the team's victories as part of her career. (And, isn't that her I've seen doing announcing/commenting on ESPN? Naturally, that is less effort than to coach a team.)
Teams in the top 25 whose coaches vote:
#4 Louisville
#7 Michigan
RV Liberty
RV Gonzaga
The PAC-12 coach that votes is from Utah.
(01-25-2022, 11:51 AM)Baez87 Wrote: USA Today just released this week's Coaches Poll. Stanford is ranked #2, consistent with the Sportswriters Poll. Two things of note, the Coaches Poll has a high/low column which shows the range of rankings that various coaches chose (Stanford ranges from 2 to 5 in the poll); it also list the voting coaches names (Mike Neighbors, Jeff Walz, and Lynn Roberts are among them).
According to the site, "The voters represent each of the 32 Division I conferences that receive an automatic bid to the NCAA tournament. Each coach submits a Top 25 with a first-place vote worth 25 points, second place 24, and so on down to one point for 25th."
This week's Coaches Poll
I think you're misinterpreting hi/low. I think that is the high & low ranking for the team on the weekly polls.
I was surprised to see C. Vivian Stringer listed in the panel of coaches. She continues on leave of absence and "is not permitted to have contact with her team while on the leave of absence" because NCAA rules limit schools to 4 coaches. She is guaranteed $1M salary for this year, plus a $200K bonus for signing in April 2021 (!!!) when she started her leave of absence. She has previously claimed credit for coaching games she was not at. I disagree with the opinion of this article that suggests it is up to the school to designate the wins this season belong to her or the acting head coach. The NCAA rule only allows this in the case due to illness or unexpected circumstances.
I see reports of different reasons for her leave: to care for a child & to avoid COVID. Having that much paid salary when someone else is paid to do her job is more than generous of Rutgers. However, it is, IMO, disingenuous to claim the team's victories as part of her career. (And, isn't that her I've seen doing announcing/commenting on ESPN? Naturally, that is less effort than to coach a team.)
Teams in the top 25 whose coaches vote:
#4 Louisville
#7 Michigan
RV Liberty
RV Gonzaga
The PAC-12 coach that votes is from Utah.
01-25-2022, 03:25 PM
I think a lot of the problem is (unspoken) disagreement about what poll voters are voting on. Is it:
1. body of work so far;
2. the prospect of winning TODAY (essentially, ELO); or
3. where you think a team will end the year in March/April?
I think a lot of disagreement can be explained by this.
I don't think it's crazy to vote UConn #2 if you're assuming Bueckers and Fudd will be back, good as new, by March Madness.
But objectively they do not have the second best body of work in the country.
And, subjectively, I am not even sure they're a top 10 team right now. (That was truer a few weeks ago when they were still adjusting and Ducharme hadn't come on strong like she has in recent games).
Boneyard fans have a fan poll that they run that I voted in sometimes, and I always vote based on who I think would win TODAY, with the actual players who are suiting up right now. But I know others do it based on body of work or where they think they'll finish in March/April. Unless there's a clear voting rule, I just think it's inevitably going to be noisy.
1. body of work so far;
2. the prospect of winning TODAY (essentially, ELO); or
3. where you think a team will end the year in March/April?
I think a lot of disagreement can be explained by this.
I don't think it's crazy to vote UConn #2 if you're assuming Bueckers and Fudd will be back, good as new, by March Madness.
But objectively they do not have the second best body of work in the country.
And, subjectively, I am not even sure they're a top 10 team right now. (That was truer a few weeks ago when they were still adjusting and Ducharme hadn't come on strong like she has in recent games).
Boneyard fans have a fan poll that they run that I voted in sometimes, and I always vote based on who I think would win TODAY, with the actual players who are suiting up right now. But I know others do it based on body of work or where they think they'll finish in March/April. Unless there's a clear voting rule, I just think it's inevitably going to be noisy.
I think a lot of the problem is (unspoken) disagreement about what poll voters are voting on. Is it:
1. body of work so far;
2. the prospect of winning TODAY (essentially, ELO); or
3. where you think a team will end the year in March/April?
I think a lot of disagreement can be explained by this.
I don't think it's crazy to vote UConn #2 if you're assuming Bueckers and Fudd will be back, good as new, by March Madness.
But objectively they do not have the second best body of work in the country.
And, subjectively, I am not even sure they're a top 10 team right now. (That was truer a few weeks ago when they were still adjusting and Ducharme hadn't come on strong like she has in recent games).
Boneyard fans have a fan poll that they run that I voted in sometimes, and I always vote based on who I think would win TODAY, with the actual players who are suiting up right now. But I know others do it based on body of work or where they think they'll finish in March/April. Unless there's a clear voting rule, I just think it's inevitably going to be noisy.
1. body of work so far;
2. the prospect of winning TODAY (essentially, ELO); or
3. where you think a team will end the year in March/April?
I think a lot of disagreement can be explained by this.
I don't think it's crazy to vote UConn #2 if you're assuming Bueckers and Fudd will be back, good as new, by March Madness.
But objectively they do not have the second best body of work in the country.
And, subjectively, I am not even sure they're a top 10 team right now. (That was truer a few weeks ago when they were still adjusting and Ducharme hadn't come on strong like she has in recent games).
Boneyard fans have a fan poll that they run that I voted in sometimes, and I always vote based on who I think would win TODAY, with the actual players who are suiting up right now. But I know others do it based on body of work or where they think they'll finish in March/April. Unless there's a clear voting rule, I just think it's inevitably going to be noisy.
01-25-2022, 04:03 PM
(01-25-2022, 03:25 PM)2006alum Wrote: I think a lot of the problem is (unspoken) disagreement about what poll voters are voting on. Is it:
1. body of work so far;
2. the prospect of winning TODAY (essentially, ELO); or
3. where you think a team will end the year in March/April?
I think a lot of disagreement can be explained by this.
I don't think it's crazy to vote UConn #2 if you're assuming Bueckers and Fudd will be back, good as new, by March Madness.
But objectively they do not have the second best body of work in the country.
And, subjectively, I am not even sure they're a top 10 team right now. (That was truer a few weeks ago when they were still adjusting and Ducharme hadn't come on strong like she has in recent games).
Boneyard fans have a fan poll that they run that I voted in sometimes, and I always vote based on who I think would win TODAY, with the actual players who are suiting up right now. But I know others do it based on body of work or where they think they'll finish in March/April. Unless there's a clear voting rule, I just think it's inevitably going to be noisy.
Good post!
(01-25-2022, 03:25 PM)2006alum Wrote: I think a lot of the problem is (unspoken) disagreement about what poll voters are voting on. Is it:
1. body of work so far;
2. the prospect of winning TODAY (essentially, ELO); or
3. where you think a team will end the year in March/April?
I think a lot of disagreement can be explained by this.
I don't think it's crazy to vote UConn #2 if you're assuming Bueckers and Fudd will be back, good as new, by March Madness.
But objectively they do not have the second best body of work in the country.
And, subjectively, I am not even sure they're a top 10 team right now. (That was truer a few weeks ago when they were still adjusting and Ducharme hadn't come on strong like she has in recent games).
Boneyard fans have a fan poll that they run that I voted in sometimes, and I always vote based on who I think would win TODAY, with the actual players who are suiting up right now. But I know others do it based on body of work or where they think they'll finish in March/April. Unless there's a clear voting rule, I just think it's inevitably going to be noisy.
Good post!
01-26-2022, 06:53 PM
At halftime, DePaul is leading UConn 40-31.
And UCLA getting a lot of love from the refs, and Arizona finally realized it. UCLA up 36-32 at the half, but it wasn't looking pretty for the Wildcats until they started playing lovely basketball.
And UCLA getting a lot of love from the refs, and Arizona finally realized it. UCLA up 36-32 at the half, but it wasn't looking pretty for the Wildcats until they started playing lovely basketball.
Ayoka Lee of Kansas State has come back to earth after her record performance in her last game, only has 6 points, 5 rebounds -- and 3/9 shooting in first half of current game, against #9 Texas
DePaul up by 42-35 over U Conn early in 3rd quarter. Azzi Fudd is now in the line-up, off the bench -- has 3 points of U Conn's 35.
DePaul up by 42-35 over U Conn early in 3rd quarter. Azzi Fudd is now in the line-up, off the bench -- has 3 points of U Conn's 35.
Ayoka Lee of Kansas State has come back to earth after her record performance in her last game, only has 6 points, 5 rebounds -- and 3/9 shooting in first half of current game, against #9 Texas
DePaul up by 42-35 over U Conn early in 3rd quarter. Azzi Fudd is now in the line-up, off the bench -- has 3 points of U Conn's 35.
DePaul up by 42-35 over U Conn early in 3rd quarter. Azzi Fudd is now in the line-up, off the bench -- has 3 points of U Conn's 35.
01-26-2022, 07:30 PM
(01-26-2022, 07:04 PM)WBB fan Wrote: Ayoka Lee of Kansas State has come back to earth after her record performance in her last game, only has 6 points, 5 rebounds -- and 3/9 shooting in first half of current game, against #9 Texas
DePaul up by 42-35 over U Conn early in 3rd quarter. Azzi Fudd is now in the line-up, off the bench -- has 3 points of U Conn's 35.
is it on tv?
(01-26-2022, 07:04 PM)WBB fan Wrote: Ayoka Lee of Kansas State has come back to earth after her record performance in her last game, only has 6 points, 5 rebounds -- and 3/9 shooting in first half of current game, against #9 Texas
DePaul up by 42-35 over U Conn early in 3rd quarter. Azzi Fudd is now in the line-up, off the bench -- has 3 points of U Conn's 35.
is it on tv?
UConn game streaming at:
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UConn up 62-58 right now.
Uconn wins 80-78
Watch FOX-DIGITAL Live | Stream Games & Shows on FOX-DIGITAL | FOX Sports
UConn up 62-58 right now.
Uconn wins 80-78
(This post was last modified: 01-26-2022, 08:00 PM by DaBears17.)
UConn game streaming at:
Watch FOX-DIGITAL Live | Stream Games & Shows on FOX-DIGITAL | FOX Sports
UConn up 62-58 right now.
Uconn wins 80-78
Watch FOX-DIGITAL Live | Stream Games & Shows on FOX-DIGITAL | FOX Sports
UConn up 62-58 right now.
Uconn wins 80-78
01-26-2022, 08:08 PM
(01-26-2022, 07:35 PM)DaBears17 Wrote: Uconn wins 80-78
Pretty sure that's a conference rule.
Meanwhile, Arizona beat UCLA at Pauley. Osbourne had a weird fall just before halftime, than in Q3 collapsed and had to be carried off of the court. Reply doesn't show any contact. Doesn't look good.
01-26-2022, 11:10 PM
Since I can’t wiggle my way on to the espcon website and express myself, I will do it here (for therapeutical relief). ucon 80 DePaul 78 WHO CARES!!!!
01-27-2022, 08:04 AM
(01-26-2022, 08:08 PM)crackpot Wrote:(01-26-2022, 07:35 PM)DaBears17 Wrote: Uconn wins 80-78
Pretty sure that's a conference rule.
Meanwhile, Arizona beat UCLA at Pauley. Osbourne had a weird fall just before halftime, than in Q3 collapsed and had to be carried off of the court. Reply doesn't show any contact. Doesn't look good.
knee injury.
(01-26-2022, 08:08 PM)crackpot Wrote:(01-26-2022, 07:35 PM)DaBears17 Wrote: Uconn wins 80-78
Pretty sure that's a conference rule.
Meanwhile, Arizona beat UCLA at Pauley. Osbourne had a weird fall just before halftime, than in Q3 collapsed and had to be carried off of the court. Reply doesn't show any contact. Doesn't look good.
knee injury.
01-27-2022, 08:44 AM
(01-27-2022, 08:04 AM)jonnyss Wrote:Later in the telecast they showed her sitting at the team bench, with an elastic wrap around the knee but no crutches alongside. Maybe a sign that it wasn’t as serious as it looked when she went down.(01-26-2022, 08:08 PM)crackpot Wrote:(01-26-2022, 07:35 PM)DaBears17 Wrote: Uconn wins 80-78
Pretty sure that's a conference rule.
Meanwhile, Arizona beat UCLA at Pauley. Osbourne had a weird fall just before halftime, than in Q3 collapsed and had to be carried off of the court. Reply doesn't show any contact. Doesn't look good.
knee injury.
(01-27-2022, 08:04 AM)jonnyss Wrote:Later in the telecast they showed her sitting at the team bench, with an elastic wrap around the knee but no crutches alongside. Maybe a sign that it wasn’t as serious as it looked when she went down.(01-26-2022, 08:08 PM)crackpot Wrote:(01-26-2022, 07:35 PM)DaBears17 Wrote: Uconn wins 80-78
Pretty sure that's a conference rule.
Meanwhile, Arizona beat UCLA at Pauley. Osbourne had a weird fall just before halftime, than in Q3 collapsed and had to be carried off of the court. Reply doesn't show any contact. Doesn't look good.
knee injury.
01-27-2022, 10:07 AM
(01-26-2022, 11:10 PM)Baez87 Wrote: Since I can’t wiggle my way on to the espcon website and express myself, I will do it here (for therapeutical relief). ucon 80 DePaul 78 WHO CARES!!!!
I do. (But only insofar as I want Geno to lose as many as possible and trail Tara for total wins into eternity).
01-27-2022, 05:00 PM
Just saw the first NCAA top 16 "reveal." Top 4 (#1 seeds) in order, South Carolina, Stanford, NC State, Tennessee. Arizona is an 8. U Conn is an 11 seed (#3 regional seed). The big surprise, U Conn is in the Spokane region as the #3, along with Stanford as the #1.
01-27-2022, 05:02 PM
(01-27-2022, 05:00 PM)WBB fan Wrote: Just saw the first NCAA top 16 "reveal." Top 4 (#1 seeds) in order, South Carolina, Stanford, NC State, Tennessee. Arizona is an 8. U Conn is an 11 seed (#3 regional seed). The big surprise, U Conn is in the Spokane region as the #3, along with Stanford as the #1.
...and a potential meetup with Texas. Bleh.
(01-27-2022, 05:00 PM)WBB fan Wrote: Just saw the first NCAA top 16 "reveal." Top 4 (#1 seeds) in order, South Carolina, Stanford, NC State, Tennessee. Arizona is an 8. U Conn is an 11 seed (#3 regional seed). The big surprise, U Conn is in the Spokane region as the #3, along with Stanford as the #1.
...and a potential meetup with Texas. Bleh.
01-27-2022, 05:14 PM
(01-27-2022, 05:02 PM)crackpot Wrote:(01-27-2022, 05:00 PM)WBB fan Wrote: Just saw the first NCAA top 16 "reveal." Top 4 (#1 seeds) in order, South Carolina, Stanford, NC State, Tennessee. Arizona is an 8. U Conn is an 11 seed (#3 regional seed). The big surprise, U Conn is in the Spokane region as the #3, along with Stanford as the #1.
...and a potential meetup with Texas. Bleh.
Texas vs U Conn potential, and then potential Stanford vs one of them. Bleh indeed!
(01-27-2022, 05:02 PM)crackpot Wrote:(01-27-2022, 05:00 PM)WBB fan Wrote: Just saw the first NCAA top 16 "reveal." Top 4 (#1 seeds) in order, South Carolina, Stanford, NC State, Tennessee. Arizona is an 8. U Conn is an 11 seed (#3 regional seed). The big surprise, U Conn is in the Spokane region as the #3, along with Stanford as the #1.
...and a potential meetup with Texas. Bleh.
Texas vs U Conn potential, and then potential Stanford vs one of them. Bleh indeed!
01-27-2022, 05:32 PM
Georgia would be no slouch in the Sweet 16 either as the 4 seed in Spokane.
01-27-2022, 08:15 PM
We will be much better against Texas the 2nd time if there is a second time. UConn is not a normal UConn team, and even if they have all their people back they will not have had as much time to jell. I'm confident we can beat either of them. But yes, we would have to play well.
We will be much better against Texas the 2nd time if there is a second time. UConn is not a normal UConn team, and even if they have all their people back they will not have had as much time to jell. I'm confident we can beat either of them. But yes, we would have to play well.
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