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2022 Stanford at UCLA Predictions Thread - george - 10-25-2022

Both the team and the cardboard found themselves in the winning column last week. Is this Stanford's swansong regular season visit to the Rose Bowl?

RE: 2022 Stanford at UCLA Predictions Thread - skip75 - 10-25-2022

Is this Stanford's swansong visit to the Rose Bowl - regular OR post season?

RE: 2022 Stanford at UCLA Predictions Thread - JohnR34231 - 10-26-2022

Hard to be optimistic about this one.

Then again it was hard to be optimistic about ND.

So who knows.

RE: 2022 Stanford at UCLA Predictions Thread - gailtate - 10-26-2022

(10-25-2022, 04:56 PM)skip75 Wrote: Is this Stanford's swansong visit to the Rose Bowl - regular OR post season?

I asked the Eight Ball. It said "All signs point to Yes."

RE: 2022 Stanford at UCLA Predictions Thread - Snorlax94 - 10-26-2022

I just watched the UCLA-Oregon game -- that was a true battle between Top-10 teams.

UCLA's strengths are that Charbonnet is the best downhill, Yards-After-Contact running back I've seen in the Pac-12 in a while, and DTR is one of the most mobile QBs in the nation.

And of course mobile quarterbacks and hard-to-tackle running backs are two of Stanford's weaknesses.

UCLA is not a perfect team. Oregon had success running up the middle, and DTR can throw inconsistently. Oregon had the perfect game plan -- jump out to the lead and playcall incredibly aggressively (an early onside kick while they had the lead), and this took UCLA's best two assets -- Charbonnet and DTR's feet -- largely out of the game, and made UCLA try to catch up using DTR's arm. Oregon's two-touchdown win didn't show UCLA was over-rated -- it showed what can happen when another Top-10 team, with a thunderous home field advantage, with a great game plan, executes that plan to perfection.

There is a path for Stanford to win. DTR can throw some bad, floating balls, and in past years, Stanford has had ball hawk defensive backs. UCLA's dependence on Bono reminds me of Notre Dame's dependence on Mayer, and Stanford was the first team this season to take away Mayer. I've been really impressed with how much Stanford's front 7 have improved, and maybe this is the game they take another step forward and pinch DTR and lock-down Charbonnet before he can get going. Maybe this is the game the secondary returns to their old form. Maybe this is the game the oline protects McKee consistently against a fast, aggressive pass rush, and maybe this is the game the WRs make all the catches we know they can, and a new RB emerges.

But although I hope this happens, and I think it can happen, my prediction must be negative this week -- UCLA has too many of Stanford's weaknesses and the Cardinal is not well-positioned to exploit UCLA's vulnerabilities. Even though Stanford is improving and has a shot at a bowl game, I could see Stanford trailing 35-6 and making it closer only in garbage time.

Can't Stop Mobile QBs, Can't Stop Downhill Runners - 16
Mobile QB, Downhill Runner - 35

RE: 2022 Stanford at UCLA Predictions Thread - gailtate - 10-27-2022

(10-26-2022, 03:43 PM)Snorlax94 Wrote: I just watched the UCLA-Oregon game -- that was a true battle between Top-10 teams.

UCLA's strengths are that Charbonnet is the best downhill, Yards-After-Contact running back I've seen in the Pac-12 in a while, and DTR is one of the most mobile QBs in the nation.

And of course mobile quarterbacks and hard-to-tackle running backs are two of Stanford's weaknesses.

UCLA is not a perfect team. Oregon had success running up the middle, and DTR can throw inconsistently. Oregon had the perfect game plan -- jump out to the lead and playcall incredibly aggressively (an early onside kick while they had the lead), and this took UCLA's best two assets -- Charbonnet and DTR's feet -- largely out of the game, and made UCLA try to catch up using DTR's arm. Oregon's two-touchdown win didn't show UCLA was over-rated -- it showed what can happen when another Top-10 team, with a thunderous home field advantage, with a great game plan, executes that plan to perfection.

There is a path for Stanford to win. DTR can throw some bad, floating balls, and in past years, Stanford has had ball hawk defensive backs. UCLA's dependence on Bono reminds me of Notre Dame's dependence on Mayer, and Stanford was the first team this season to take away Mayer. I've been really impressed with how much Stanford's front 7 have improved, and maybe this is the game they take another step forward and pinch DTR and lock-down Charbonnet before he can get going. Maybe this is the game the secondary returns to their old form. Maybe this is the game the oline protects McKee consistently against a fast, aggressive pass rush, and maybe this is the game the WRs make all the catches we know they can, and a new RB emerges.

But although I hope this happens, and I think it can happen, my prediction must be negative this week -- UCLA has too many of Stanford's weaknesses and the Cardinal is not well-positioned to exploit UCLA's vulnerabilities. Even though Stanford is improving and has a shot at a bowl game, I could see Stanford trailing 35-6 and making it closer only in garbage time.

Can't Stop Mobile QBs, Can't Stop Downhill Runners - 16
Mobile QB, Downhill Runner - 35

So, the only chance Stanford has against UCLA is...to transform itself into Oregon? I don't think there's an app for that. The reason Stanford loses games when it's up against a UCLA-class team is because it is not an Oregon-class team. I think Stanford was an Oregon State caliber team this year. With the injured list what it is at this moment, probably no longer. Still, die-hards have some hope. With luck and inferior officiating, Stanford might find ways to edge kal and BYU. Four wins! Maybe. I wouldn't bank on it, though. This is a truly dreadful time in Cardinal history. Who'd-a-thunk at the '16 Rose Bowl?

RE: 2022 Stanford at UCLA Predictions Thread - JohnR34231 - 10-27-2022

(10-27-2022, 01:46 PM)gailtate Wrote:
(10-26-2022, 03:43 PM)Snorlax94 Wrote: I just watched the UCLA-Oregon game -- that was a true battle between Top-10 teams.

UCLA's strengths are that Charbonnet is the best downhill, Yards-After-Contact running back I've seen in the Pac-12 in a while, and DTR is one of the most mobile QBs in the nation.

And of course mobile quarterbacks and hard-to-tackle running backs are two of Stanford's weaknesses.

UCLA is not a perfect team. Oregon had success running up the middle, and DTR can throw inconsistently. Oregon had the perfect game plan -- jump out to the lead and playcall incredibly aggressively (an early onside kick while they had the lead), and this took UCLA's best two assets -- Charbonnet and DTR's feet -- largely out of the game, and made UCLA try to catch up using DTR's arm. Oregon's two-touchdown win didn't show UCLA was over-rated -- it showed what can happen when another Top-10 team, with a thunderous home field advantage, with a great game plan, executes that plan to perfection.

There is a path for Stanford to win. DTR can throw some bad, floating balls, and in past years, Stanford has had ball hawk defensive backs. UCLA's dependence on Bono reminds me of Notre Dame's dependence on Mayer, and Stanford was the first team this season to take away Mayer. I've been really impressed with how much Stanford's front 7 have improved, and maybe this is the game they take another step forward and pinch DTR and lock-down Charbonnet before he can get going. Maybe this is the game the secondary returns to their old form. Maybe this is the game the oline protects McKee consistently against a fast, aggressive pass rush, and maybe this is the game the WRs make all the catches we know they can, and a new RB emerges.

But although I hope this happens, and I think it can happen, my prediction must be negative this week -- UCLA has too many of Stanford's weaknesses and the Cardinal is not well-positioned to exploit UCLA's vulnerabilities. Even though Stanford is improving and has a shot at a bowl game, I could see Stanford trailing 35-6 and making it closer only in garbage time.

Can't Stop Mobile QBs, Can't Stop Downhill Runners - 16
Mobile QB, Downhill Runner - 35

So, the only chance Stanford has against UCLA is...to transform itself into Oregon? I don't think there's an app for that. The reason Stanford loses games when it's up against a UCLA-class team is because it is not an Oregon-class team. I think Stanford was an Oregon State caliber team this year. With the injured list what it is at this moment, probably no longer. Still, die-hards have some hope. With luck and inferior officiating, Stanford might find ways to edge kal and BYU. Four wins! Maybe. I wouldn't bank on it, though. This is a truly dreadful time in Cardinal history. Who'd-a-thunk at the '16 Rose Bowl?

Of course, if Stanford did find a way to get past Kal and BYU it would be five wins, not four. If we could also find a way to beat the Cougs (I realize we haven't since 2015) that would be six wins and perhaps a bowl game.
As I've said before what's wrong with being a little optimistic? It doesn't cost anything.

RE: 2022 Stanford at UCLA Predictions Thread - MV72018 - 10-27-2022

(10-26-2022, 03:43 PM)Snorlax94 Wrote: I just watched the UCLA-Oregon game -- that was a true battle between Top-10 teams.

UCLA's strengths are that Charbonnet is the best downhill, Yards-After-Contact running back I've seen in the Pac-12 in a while, and DTR is one of the most mobile QBs in the nation.

And of course mobile quarterbacks and hard-to-tackle running backs are two of Stanford's weaknesses.

UCLA is not a perfect team. Oregon had success running up the middle, and DTR can throw inconsistently. Oregon had the perfect game plan -- jump out to the lead and playcall incredibly aggressively (an early onside kick while they had the lead), and this took UCLA's best two assets -- Charbonnet and DTR's feet -- largely out of the game, and made UCLA try to catch up using DTR's arm. Oregon's two-touchdown win didn't show UCLA was over-rated -- it showed what can happen when another Top-10 team, with a thunderous home field advantage, with a great game plan, executes that plan to perfection.

There is a path for Stanford to win. DTR can throw some bad, floating balls, and in past years, Stanford has had ball hawk defensive backs. UCLA's dependence on Bono reminds me of Notre Dame's dependence on Mayer, and Stanford was the first team this season to take away Mayer. I've been really impressed with how much Stanford's front 7 have improved, and maybe this is the game they take another step forward and pinch DTR and lock-down Charbonnet before he can get going. Maybe this is the game the secondary returns to their old form. Maybe this is the game the oline protects McKee consistently against a fast, aggressive pass rush, and maybe this is the game the WRs make all the catches we know they can, and a new RB emerges.

But although I hope this happens, and I think it can happen, my prediction must be negative this week -- UCLA has too many of Stanford's weaknesses and the Cardinal is not well-positioned to exploit UCLA's vulnerabilities. Even though Stanford is improving and has a shot at a bowl game, I could see Stanford trailing 35-6 and making it closer only in garbage time.

Can't Stop Mobile QBs, Can't Stop Downhill Runners - 16
Mobile QB, Downhill Runner - 35

Is DTR as mobile as Tanner McKee? Luckily for UCLA, no, he isn't.
TM makes Michelangelo's "David" seem mobile when he plays QB
for the Firenze Fusilli. On third and long, David usually relies on
the team's infamous corkscrew formation to escape from bottlenecks.

RE: 2022 Stanford at UCLA Predictions Thread - Brickcity - 10-27-2022

(10-27-2022, 03:18 PM)JohnR34231 Wrote:
(10-27-2022, 01:46 PM)gailtate Wrote:
(10-26-2022, 03:43 PM)Snorlax94 Wrote: I just watched the UCLA-Oregon game -- that was a true battle between Top-10 teams.

UCLA's strengths are that Charbonnet is the best downhill, Yards-After-Contact running back I've seen in the Pac-12 in a while, and DTR is one of the most mobile QBs in the nation.

And of course mobile quarterbacks and hard-to-tackle running backs are two of Stanford's weaknesses.

UCLA is not a perfect team. Oregon had success running up the middle, and DTR can throw inconsistently. Oregon had the perfect game plan -- jump out to the lead and playcall incredibly aggressively (an early onside kick while they had the lead), and this took UCLA's best two assets -- Charbonnet and DTR's feet -- largely out of the game, and made UCLA try to catch up using DTR's arm. Oregon's two-touchdown win didn't show UCLA was over-rated -- it showed what can happen when another Top-10 team, with a thunderous home field advantage, with a great game plan, executes that plan to perfection.

There is a path for Stanford to win. DTR can throw some bad, floating balls, and in past years, Stanford has had ball hawk defensive backs. UCLA's dependence on Bono reminds me of Notre Dame's dependence on Mayer, and Stanford was the first team this season to take away Mayer. I've been really impressed with how much Stanford's front 7 have improved, and maybe this is the game they take another step forward and pinch DTR and lock-down Charbonnet before he can get going. Maybe this is the game the secondary returns to their old form. Maybe this is the game the oline protects McKee consistently against a fast, aggressive pass rush, and maybe this is the game the WRs make all the catches we know they can, and a new RB emerges.

But although I hope this happens, and I think it can happen, my prediction must be negative this week -- UCLA has too many of Stanford's weaknesses and the Cardinal is not well-positioned to exploit UCLA's vulnerabilities. Even though Stanford is improving and has a shot at a bowl game, I could see Stanford trailing 35-6 and making it closer only in garbage time.

Can't Stop Mobile QBs, Can't Stop Downhill Runners - 16
Mobile QB, Downhill Runner - 35

So, the only chance Stanford has against UCLA is...to transform itself into Oregon? I don't think there's an app for that. The reason Stanford loses games when it's up against a UCLA-class team is because it is not an Oregon-class team. I think Stanford was an Oregon State caliber team this year. With the injured list what it is at this moment, probably no longer. Still, die-hards have some hope. With luck and inferior officiating, Stanford might find ways to edge kal and BYU. Four wins! Maybe. I wouldn't bank on it, though. This is a truly dreadful time in Cardinal history. Who'd-a-thunk at the '16 Rose Bowl?

Of course, if Stanford did find a way to get past Kal and BYU it would be five wins, not four. If we could also find a way to beat the Cougs (I realize we haven't since 2015) that would be six wins and perhaps a bowl game.
As I've said before what's wrong with being a little optimistic? It doesn't cost anything.

Personally, I'll get optimistic and excited once Stanford is one of the better teams in the conference again...vs the dreck we've seen in recent years.

RE: 2022 Stanford at UCLA Predictions Thread - thunder_chik - 10-27-2022

Donning my rose-colored glasses: 33-31, we win.
No turtling allowed.

RE: 2022 Stanford at UCLA Predictions Thread - martyup - 10-27-2022

On the one hand, we're toast.

On the other hand, we seem to frequently exceed expectations when we're a big underdog. However, we did that already this season against ND, so maybe we've exhausted that boon.

Oh, what the heck, let's takes this rag tag team and beat the baby blue Bruins at the Rose Bowl. GO CARD!

RE: 2022 Stanford at UCLA Predictions Thread - winflop - 10-27-2022

Big step up in difficulty for the defense. Notre Dame & ASU do not have very highly ranked offenses (#54 & #58 FEI) compared to UCLA (#8).

I worry that UCLA will be able to move the ball at will on us, similar to U$C, UW, and UO. They're that good on offense. On the other side of the ball, I think we can execute better but I worry that our offense is now very one-dimensional being down to two very raw RBs.

RE: 2022 Stanford at UCLA Predictions Thread - akiddoc - 10-27-2022

I did not make predictions for the past two games. Superstition says I should not comment this week.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=413lQoq-vvQ

RE: 2022 Stanford at UCLA Predictions Thread - Austroturf - 10-28-2022

(10-27-2022, 04:43 PM)thunder_chik Wrote: Donning my rose-colored glasses: 33-31, we win.
No turtling allowed.

I think you are probably close to the UCLA score. They scored 30 on Oregon, which certainly has a more solid defense than Stanford; and those 30 points represent the lowest scoring output for the Bruins this season. Yes, our defense is improved; but I say the Bruins get at least 35 on us, possibly more (depending upon how effective DTR is on the day).

Your rose-colored glasses seem more apparent in the 33 point scoring output you predict for the Cardinal. Take the Colgate game out of the picture, and we are averaging 22.5 points per game with a clear downward trend. Plus, that average has some garbage-time TDs (Oregon, USC) to make things look better. I will be optimistic in my own way and predict that Stanford has 4 scoring drives, two which end in Karty FGs and the other two in TDs. That's 20 points.

So Bruins win 35-20, which would still be a win ATS.

The only hope I see for this game is if DTR has an error-prone performance and coughs up the ball, say, 3 times (two INTs and a fumble). Couple that with a defense that plays out of their minds and helps our offense out with a pick-6, and maybe, just maybe, Stanford prevails 27-24. I mean, you can dream, right. But I'm going with the wide-awake scenario.

Then there's the nightmare scenario: 45-10 Bruins.

RE: 2022 Stanford at UCLA Predictions Thread - TriangleTree - 10-28-2022

(10-27-2022, 09:53 PM)akiddoc Wrote: I did not make predictions for the past two games. Superstition says I should not comment this week.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=413lQoq-vvQ

Thanks for link, Charbonnet is scary

We’ll move the ball, if we finish drives, we’ll have a game. Else , see USC, Oregon, Washington nightmares

I know, Captain Obvious

RE: 2022 Stanford at UCLA Predictions Thread - gailtate - 10-28-2022

(10-28-2022, 07:05 AM)TriangleTree Wrote:
(10-27-2022, 09:53 PM)akiddoc Wrote: I did not make predictions for the past two games. Superstition says I should not comment this week.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=413lQoq-vvQ

Thanks for link, Charbonnet is scary

We’ll move the ball, if we finish drives, we’ll have a game. Else , see USC, Oregon, Washington nightmares

I know, Captain Obvious

OK, let's take it week by week:
Tomorrow, not a good match.
Week afterwards, can't see a win then either.
Pre-BG game, no way Utah loses this year.
BG? weenies just might find a way to lose this.
Post-TG LDS? Point total may exceed attendance. Outcome? Don't ask me. I'll be on a mission.

RE: 2022 Stanford at UCLA Predictions Thread - lex24 - 10-28-2022

(10-28-2022, 03:55 PM)gailtate Wrote:
(10-28-2022, 07:05 AM)TriangleTree Wrote:
(10-27-2022, 09:53 PM)akiddoc Wrote: I did not make predictions for the past two games. Superstition says I should not comment this week.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=413lQoq-vvQ

Thanks for link, Charbonnet is scary

We’ll move the ball, if we finish drives, we’ll have a game. Else , see USC, Oregon, Washington nightmares

I know, Captain Obvious

OK, let's take it week by week:
Tomorrow, not a good match.
Week afterwards, can't see a win then either.
Pre-BG game, no way Utah loses this year.
BG? weenies just might find a way to lose this.
Post-TG LDS? Point total may exceed attendance. Outcome? Don't ask me. I'll be on a mission.

You are already on a mission…. :).

Baby Bears 45-20.

RE: 2022 Stanford at UCLA Predictions Thread - ADPinWDC - 10-29-2022

(10-28-2022, 06:52 AM)Austroturf Wrote:
(10-27-2022, 04:43 PM)thunder_chik Wrote: Donning my rose-colored glasses:  33-31, we win.
No turtling allowed.

I think you are probably close to the UCLA score. They scored 30 on Oregon, which certainly has a more solid defense than Stanford; and those 30 points represent the lowest scoring output for the Bruins this season. Yes, our defense is improved; but I say the Bruins get at least 35 on us, possibly more (depending upon how effective DTR is on the day).

Your rose-colored glasses seem more apparent in the 33 point scoring output you predict for the Cardinal. Take the Colgate game out of the picture, and we are averaging 22.5 points per game with a clear downward trend. Plus, that average has some garbage-time TDs (Oregon, USC) to make things look better. I will be optimistic in my own way and predict that Stanford has 4 scoring drives, two which end in Karty FGs and the other two in TDs. That's 20 points.

So Bruins win 35-20, which would still be a win ATS.

The only hope I see for this game is if DTR has an error-prone performance and coughs up the ball, say, 3 times (two INTs and a fumble). Couple that with a defense that plays out of their minds and helps our offense out with a pick-6, and maybe, just maybe, Stanford prevails 27-24. I mean, you can dream, right. But I'm going with the wide-awake scenario.

Then there's the nightmare scenario: 45-10 Bruins.

I don't think we have Filkins...
PA Field Goal Experts: 16
UCLA Touchdowners:. 42

I don't see how we can run much on Bruins,
so they unload the blitz on McKee.
I would put an extra Tight End in the backfield to block.
Rely on the WRs to go up and get the ball, and take the quick slants. Like last week, McKee will need to throw more than 50 passes.
We need 3 Turnovers to be in this one, as with NDAM giving us 2 fumbles.
Without some INTs, the Bruins will move at will in our Defense. Need to see >3 punts by UCLA before the half to be in this game.

RE: 2022 Stanford at UCLA Predictions Thread - chrisk - 10-29-2022

Instead of Dave Flemmming on the ESPN call tonight, we get Mike Monaco (a youngish ND grad) paired with Rod Gilmore).

RE: 2022 Stanford at UCLA Predictions Thread - thunder_chik - 10-29-2022

(10-28-2022, 06:52 AM)Austroturf Wrote:
(10-27-2022, 04:43 PM)thunder_chik Wrote: Donning my rose-colored glasses:  33-31, we win.
No turtling allowed.

I think you are probably close to the UCLA score. They scored 30 on Oregon, which certainly has a more solid defense than Stanford; and those 30 points represent the lowest scoring output for the Bruins this season. Yes, our defense is improved; but I say the Bruins get at least 35 on us, possibly more (depending upon how effective DTR is on the day).

Your rose-colored glasses seem more apparent in the 33 point scoring output you predict for the Cardinal. Take the Colgate game out of the picture, and we are averaging 22.5 points per game with a clear downward trend. Plus, that average has some garbage-time TDs (Oregon, USC) to make things look better. I will be optimistic in my own way and predict that Stanford has 4 scoring drives, two which end in Karty FGs and the other two in TDs. That's 20 points.

So Bruins win 35-20, which would still be a win ATS.

The only hope I see for this game is if DTR has an error-prone performance and coughs up the ball, say, 3 times (two INTs and a fumble). Couple that with a defense that plays out of their minds and helps our offense out with a pick-6, and maybe, just maybe, Stanford prevails 27-24. I mean, you can dream, right. But I'm going with the wide-awake scenario.

Then there's the nightmare scenario: 45-10 Bruins.

Realistically, we are likely to lose 21-38. But I never vote for our opponent to win, that's just my policy. As you indicate, something(s) extraordinary (e.g., multiple turnovers in our favor) will have to happen for us to prevail.