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Vecchio - dabomb1227 - 02-06-2014

This article was on the Bootboard and thought it might be something people here are interested in reading:

http://www.ocregister.com/articles/louis-600485-iii-decision.html?page=1

To me, it is really sad that his parents made his decision for him when there was no mistake to be made

Re: Vecchio - Hurlburt88 - 02-06-2014

I seem to remember Glyn Milburn's parents deciding for him to go to OK . . . and of course reversed a year later by the subsequent transfer

Re: Vecchio - needle - 02-06-2014

How many Ivy League football players transfer to an FBS or even FCS conference? I can't think of any.

Re: Vecchio - needle - 02-06-2014

Oh, yeah, forgot about this guy:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_Hatch

Re: Vecchio - BostonCard - 02-06-2014

(02-06-2014, 03:05 PM)hurlburt88 link Wrote:I seem to remember Glyn Milburn's parents deciding for him to go to OK . . . and of course reversed a year later by the subsequent transfer

More recently we've had another Oklahoma transfer whose parents more or less forced him to go there: Chase Beeler

http://newsok.com/stanford-was-a-better-fit-for-ex-sooner-chase-beeler/article/3427838

That being said, I think on the net, parents are more likely to push their kids to Stanford than away, and I do think we have had a couple where the parents forced their kids to come to us.

BC

Re: Vecchio - stupac2 - 02-06-2014

(02-06-2014, 04:15 PM)Boston Card link Wrote:That being said, I think on the net, parents are more likely to push their kids to Stanford than away, and I do think we have had a couple where the parents forced their kids to come to us.

Didn't Sherman's mom force him to stay rather than transfer out before his switch to defense?

Re: Vecchio - Nan3cy - 02-06-2014

(02-06-2014, 04:45 PM)stupac2 link Wrote:[quote author=Boston Card link=topic=9521.msg83392#msg83392 date=1391728544]That being said, I think on the net, parents are more likely to push their kids to Stanford than away, and I do think we have had a couple where the parents forced their kids to come to us.

Didn't Sherman's mom force him to stay rather than transfer out before his switch to defense?
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That's the way I read the story. I don't think his transferring got any further than a phone call with him mom, who said absolutely to fuggeddaboutit.

Re: Vecchio - Fresbone - 02-06-2014

Crazy story. Hope he and his parents walk away from this conflict in good spirits. I just can't imagine he would get any significant amount of play time at Stanford if we were not even offering a scholarship. Starting at Penn may be better than a life on the practice squad at Stanford.

Re: Vecchio - Robbie - 02-06-2014

(02-06-2014, 05:03 PM)Fresbone link Wrote:Starting at Penn [in Philadephia] may be better than a life on the practice squad at Stanford [in Palo Alto].

You sure about this?

That being said, these were my final two choices when I was choosing a college. Weather was by far the most important criterion in my final decision

Re: Vecchio - Papa John - 02-06-2014

(02-06-2014, 05:03 PM)Fresbone link Wrote:Starting at Penn may be better than a life on the practice squad at Stanford.
I visited Penn many Februarys ago and the most vivid memory is how I almost broke my back as I slipped on a sleet-covered sidewalk.

While I can't speak for Louis Vecchio, for me playing on the practice squad at Stanford would be preferable to starting, continuing or finishing at Penn.

Well, let's talk about that for a second... - Mick - 02-06-2014

(02-06-2014, 05:13 PM)Papa John link Wrote:[quote author=Fresbone link=topic=9521.msg83400#msg83400 date=1391731423]
Starting at Penn may be better than a life on the practice squad at Stanford.
I visited Penn many Februarys ago and the most vivid memory is how I almost broke my back as I slipped on a sleet-covered sidewalk.

While I can't speak for Louis Vecchio, for me playing on the practice squad at Stanford would be preferable to starting, continuing or finishing at Penn.
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I wonder about that.

I'm the first to say I prefer a Stanford education above all others.  And yet...Penn ain't hay.  And wear and tear on the body is most likely less at Penn than at Stanford.  Based upon my knowledge of several sports, the time commitment at Penn (I suspect including football) is most likely less than it is at Stanford.  My son's time commitment at Princeton is about 60% what it would have been at Stanford.  And an Ivy degree isn't bad at all.

If it's Stanford vs. fill-in-the-blank-football-factory, well yeah, I get that.  But Penn is not a bad decision (I'd prefer Stanford too). 

And all in all, I'd prefer my kids go where they want to go.  And mine wanted to get as far away from me as possible... :-\

Re: Vecchio - socalstanfan1 - 02-06-2014

Really tough story, and a tough decision for the family and Louis.  Wharton is about as good as it gets for business school, but one has to wonder if he will look back on this and say "what if?"  As a father of two,  I understand wanting to do the best for your child's future, but Louis is obviously not a slacker or someone who has needed a lot of extra pushing.  As many on the thread before me have hinted, I wonder if he ends up at Stanford at some point, to give his shot at Pac-12 football.

Re: Vecchio - BostonCard - 02-06-2014

(02-06-2014, 05:03 PM)Fresbone link Wrote:Crazy story. Hope he and his parents walk away from this conflict in good spirits. I just can't imagine he would get any significant amount of play time at Stanford if we were not even offering a scholarship. Starting at Penn may be better than a life on the practice squad at Stanford.

Greg Camarillo, Griff Whalen, Ryan Whalen, and David Parry (off the top of my head), not to mention a number of kickers, long snappers, etc. would beg to disagree with your assessment.

BC

Re: Vecchio - stupac2 - 02-06-2014

(02-06-2014, 07:26 PM)Boston Card link Wrote:Greg Camarillo, Griff Whalen, Ryan Whalen, and David Parry (off the top of my head), not to mention a number of kickers, long snappers, etc. would beg to disagree with your assessment.

That some walks-on (walk-ons?) have found success here doesn't mean they made the best decision. Likewise, that he'll get playing time at Penn doesn't make that the best decision. It's an impossible counterfactual to run, you can never know what the right choice was.

Re: Vecchio - BostonCard - 02-06-2014

(02-06-2014, 07:56 PM)stupac2 link Wrote:[quote author=Boston Card link=topic=9521.msg83409#msg83409 date=1391739967]Greg Camarillo, Griff Whalen, Ryan Whalen, and David Parry (off the top of my head), not to mention a number of kickers, long snappers, etc. would beg to disagree with your assessment.

That some walks-on (walk-ons?) have found success here doesn't mean they made the best decision. Likewise, that he'll get playing time at Penn doesn't make that the best decision. It's an impossible counterfactual to run, you can never know what the right choice was.
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I was objecting to this quote, " I just can't imagine he would get any significant amount of play time at Stanford if we were not even offering a scholarship," which clearly suffered from lack of imagination.  I have no comment on whether he would be better off at Stanford than at Penn, but we have had a fair number of "preferred walk-ons" not only see the field of play, but get offered scholarships.

BC

Re: Vecchio - FarmBoy - 02-06-2014

Quote:but get offered scholarships.

And create a path to the NFL.

What a sad story, to have all of your hard work and dreams tainted this way. I'm not blaming anyone for that, except for the general nature of the universe to take something that should be fun/beautiful/joyful and taint it.

Re: Vecchio - Fresbone - 02-06-2014

(02-06-2014, 08:28 PM)Boston Card link Wrote:I was objecting to this quote, " I just can't imagine he would get any significant amount of play time at Stanford if we were not even offering a scholarship," which clearly suffered from lack of imagination.

BC-
You brough up some great examples of people who had success as a walk-on. I am a Stanford grad, loved and love the place, and can't imagine having gone anywhere else. I wasn't a great athlete, so I played every intramural I could. I got offered a spot at a college where I could have possibly played water polo, and my first thought was that their team must suck pretty bad to want me!

Poor phrasing with the "I just can't imagine..." line, but I have never considered myself a cunning linguist. To me, as a guy who never had the skillset to play college ball, playing ball at any college would have been brobdingnagian. I think that a lot of wise people would turn down practice time at a great school for play time at a great school with cold weather. Some may not.

Several people in this thread have commented on how cold Philly is. Was the great weather in Palo Alto really that big a selling point for many of us? I loved the weather, but I was primarily thinking reputation, ability to get into grad school, professors, positive attitude of students leading tours, research opportunities when making my decision. Weather was maybe number 10-15. But then, I own a few sweaters and coats...http://www.thecardboard.org/board/Smileys/akyhne/cheesy.gif

Re: Vecchio - Stymie - 02-06-2014

Based on the OC article, I think that Stanford played Ty Webb to Carl Spackler's Vecchio (Caddyshack, 1980):

Spackler:  Do you have a pool?
Webb:  We have a pond and a pool....  The pond would be good for you.

I would be very wary of anybody who dissed Penn as a solid option for Vecchio.  It's a pool, not a pond.....


Re: Vecchio - Papa John - 02-07-2014

(02-06-2014, 09:06 PM)Fresbone link Wrote:Several people in this thread have commented on how cold Philly is. Was the great weather in Palo Alto really that big a selling point for many of us?
My college choice came down to Stanford versus Dartmouth. I'll admit that, as a 17 1/2 year old who had spent nearly his entire life in the Midwest, weather and the general lure of a mystical land called California were indeed factors in my decision. As far as Penn goes, I hold it in very high esteem for a number of reasons, all based on academic reputation and output. So I suppose it's a compliment that the only negatives I can come up with are (1) the winter weather in Philadelphia is worse than the winter weather in NorCal and (2) the quality of football played at Penn is worse than the football played at Stanford.

I never intended to put down Penn as a world-class, academic institution. But, for a number of personal reasons, I would still choose Stanford over Penn (or Dartmouth) today if I had that choice.

Re: Vecchio - magnus - 02-07-2014

(02-06-2014, 09:06 PM)Fresbone link Wrote:Several people in this thread have commented on how cold Philly is. Was the great weather in Palo Alto really that big a selling point for many of us?

My choices were MIT and Stanford.  MIT was freezing cold in February.  Stanford was nice and warm in August. =)

And Stanford had a better ultimate team. 

It didn't hurt that someone returned to my high school and bribed me with red lifesavers from extra food service points.  No such offerings came from MIT.