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A couple of observations and a question - Mudhead - 11-23-2022

(11-22-2022, 07:57 AM)Hoops9092 Wrote: Man seeing that screenshot stings. Up 4 with 17 seconds to go. Ugh.

9 times out of 10, South Carolina would miss that 3 or Haley would hit both FT's and we win. Oh well. Hopefully this keeps us hungry and motivated to get them back when it counts most.

That pretty well sums it up. I walked out of Maples disappointed as hell but overall, elated. I did not think we would hang with SC because not much in our earlier games prepared us for playing a tough team. I was wrong. I did not think a freshman point guard could survive, much less thrive, against SC. I was wrong, Lepolo convinced me she can play with anyone and that is a brobdingnagian plus. Now if we can get one more PG from Agnes, Nivar or anyone not named Jones we will be set. We only need 10 minutes of good backup guard play. Prechtel showed me a lot. She played a whale of a game with tough defense and rebounding I had not seen before. Haley will be fine and Brink will continue to be excellent, though foul prone. So all in all, I am elated. This .Stanford team has a real shot at the National Championship..I think they will get there.

My question is this: why does our team leave the floor before the national anthem and return only after it is concluded? It is striking to see the other team standing respectfully while we are gone . PLEASE NOTE: I am not interested in arguing whether our reason for being absent is good, bad or indifferent. But I would like to know why we are absent and what has to. Hanger before we reappear .

Thanks

RE: A couple of observations and a question - WBB fan - 11-23-2022

(11-23-2022, 10:49 AM)Mudhead Wrote:
(11-22-2022, 07:57 AM)Hoops9092 Wrote: Man seeing that screenshot stings. Up 4 with 17 seconds to go. Ugh.

9 times out of 10, South Carolina would miss that 3 or Haley would hit both FT's and we win. Oh well. Hopefully this keeps us hungry and motivated to get them back when it counts most.

That pretty well sums it up. I walked out of Maples disappointed as hell but overall, elated. I did not think we would hang with SC because not much in our earlier games prepared us for playing a tough team. I was wrong. I did not think a freshman point guard could survive, much less thrive, against SC. I was wrong, Lepolo convinced me she can play with anyone and that is a of immense proportions plus. Now if we can get one more PG from Agnes, Nivar or anyone not named Jones we will be set. We only need 10 minutes of good backup guard play. Prechtel showed me a lot. She played a whale of a game with tough defense and rebounding I had not seen before. Haley will be fine and Brink will continue to be excellent, though foul prone. So all in all, I am elated. This .Stanford team has a real shot at the National Championship..I think they will get there.

My question is this: why does our team leave the floor before the national anthem and return only after it is concluded? It is striking to see the other team standing respectfully while we are gone . PLEASE NOTE: I am not interested in arguing whether our reason for being absent is good, bad or indifferent. But I would like to know why we are absent and what has to. Hanger before we reappear .

Thanks

I've been lurking, reading all the posts, and have not commented except briefly until now -- but I so like what's said here. It's just the way I feel, on virtually every point. There was much good in this game -- especially Lepolo proving herself, Cam's great play while on the floor, and Prechtel really making an impact. Stanford had a lot of room to grow and get stronger over the season, more so, I think than South Carolina -- and this makes me optimistic about taking it all at the end.

As for the National Anthem, I don't know the team's specific reason for leaving, but I respect the fact that they do. For myself, a lot of the time I make a point of getting to my seat after the anthem is played, even though I'm already in Maples before that. My main reason is that I find so many of the renditions painful to listen to, especially those where the performer is offering his/her own special version. For me, the best ones are those the Stanford band does, or the simple recorded versions we sometimes get early in the season.

RE: WBB vs South Carolina Game Thread - jonnyss - 11-23-2022

(11-21-2022, 06:19 PM)81alum Wrote: So what is your theory for why Jones sagged so far off of her mark? Clearly it was a bad outcome. I am trying to figure out if this was on Jones or on the coaches for instructing her to defend in a particular way. Is there any chance this was a zone? At the very least it seems a lot like a sagging man defense, which is one of our more common defenses. I feel that if Jones had been instructed to closely defend her player that shot would not have happened, but that she was probably doing her assignment in a sagging man. If so, she sagged about 6' too far.

1) when i watch the whole game video linked above - thanks! - at the 6 minute mark i see haley play exactly the same defense, standing midway between the shooter at the 3-point line and aliyah boston. the outside shooter passes in to boston, haley doubles, and boston travels. sometimes the defense worked, sometimes it didn't, but seems clear to me that that defense was called by the coaches, not an error by haley.

watch at 18 min. haley again is playing center field (4 players man, haley in zone). haley doubles boston, boston commits offense foul (elbow to the face, should have been a flagrant 2)

2) as i watch that unfortunate last-minute made 3, i see haley standing just inside the 3-point line and the shooter making the shot from 4 feet behind the line. pretty common for a defense to guard the line and allow the steph curry shot. if you make it, more power to you.

RE: WBB vs South Carolina Game Thread - JohnR34231 - 11-23-2022

(11-23-2022, 11:33 AM)jonnyss Wrote:
(11-21-2022, 06:19 PM)81alum Wrote: So what is your theory for why Jones sagged so far off of her mark? Clearly it was a bad outcome. I am trying to figure out if this was on Jones or on the coaches for instructing her to defend in a particular way. Is there any chance this was a zone? At the very least it seems a lot like a sagging man defense, which is one of our more common defenses. I feel that if Jones had been instructed to closely defend her player that shot would not have happened, but that she was probably doing her assignment in a sagging man. If so, she sagged about 6' too far.

1) when i watch the whole game video linked above - thanks! - at the 6 minute mark i see haley play exactly the same defense, standing midway between the shooter at the 3-point line and aliyah boston. the outside shooter passes in to boston, haley doubles, and boston travels. sometimes the defense worked, sometimes it didn't, but seems clear to me that that defense was called by the coaches, not an error by haley

2) as i watch that unfortunate last-minute made 3, i see haley standing just inside the 3-point line and the shooter making the shot from 4 feet behind the line. pretty common for a defense to guard the line and allow the steph curry shot. if you make it, more power to you.

I would have to think we were lucky in the 2021 Final Four that SC missed easy shots with the clock winding down and unlucky that they made much more difficult ones this year.
Not a bad trade IMO.

RE: A couple of observations and a question - 81alum - 11-23-2022

(11-23-2022, 10:49 AM)Mudhead Wrote: My question is this: why does our team leave the floor before the national anthem and return only after it is concluded? It is striking to see the other team standing respectfully while we are gone . PLEASE NOTE: I am not interested in arguing whether our reason for being absent is good, bad or indifferent. But I would like to know why we are absent and what has to. Hanger before we reappear .

They started doing this last year, and I asked anyone here for a theory and didn't get an answer. So far I've not spent a chalk talk question on it. I guess I am a bit afraid of the answer--if it is a Colin Kaepernick type thing I might respect that, but I wouldn't want the team becoming the center of attention for the wrong reasons. So for a year and a half I have not asked and they have not told.

By the way, the Stanford Band DID play the national anthem on Sunday-and I love their version, always have. We used to have many grade school choirs, Stanford soloists, and a variety of townies come by to perform, but so far this year it has been the same boring recording--until Sunday. I was delighted to hear the Arthur P. Barnes version for the first time--ever in my memory--at a WBB game.

Having rewatched the game now, I think the issues of who did or did not defend the three point line is pretty moot. It is clear that Tara had us play in a sagging man defense most of the game. This makes a lot of sense, as Dawn herself acknowledged that South Carolina is not a particularly good three point shooting team, and since everyone knows they are an excellent rebounding team.

What does the sagging man do for us? It allows us to do MUCH better on our rebounds, and to have many more opportunities to double up on the talented South Carolina post players, since all five of our players are closer to the paint. It also tends to make it hard for guards to drive to the basket since we can make the paint so congested.

What does the sagging man do to hurt us? Much like a zone, it makes us vulnerable to the three point shot. Playing halfway may not give you enough time to close if you have someone with a quick release, and it also creates the possibility that you might foul a three point shooter by flying towards them while trying to close.

Both coaches alluded to this after the game, Tara's comment about the our defense having to "pick its poison" and Dawn's comment about her offense having to learn "to take what the defense gives you."

All in all, I think this was the right strategy--just as it was the right strategy for SC to play close man and not sagging man on a shooter like Hannah Jump. It may also reflect Tara's concern that we don't have the same quickness for a tight man defense that the Hulls and Wilson gave us. This may be our new base defense--sort of half way between a man and a zone.

However, I seriously doubt that we shall see a sagging man used against FGU on Friday.

Baez87 - Baez87 - 11-23-2022

(11-23-2022, 12:01 PM)81alum Wrote:
(11-23-2022, 10:49 AM)Mudhead Wrote: My question is this: why does our team leave the floor before the national anthem and return only after it is concluded? It is striking to see the other team standing respectfully while we are gone . PLEASE NOTE: I am not interested in arguing whether our reason for being absent is good, bad or indifferent. But I would like to know why we are absent and what has to. Hanger before we reappear .
They started doing this last year, and I asked anyone here for a theory and didn't get an answer. So far I've not spent a chalk talk question on it. I guess I am a bit afraid of the answer--if it is a Colin Kaepernick type thing I might respect that, but I wouldn't want the team becoming the center of attention for the wrong reasons. So for a year and a half I have not asked and they have not told.

I would let it go without question or comment. It seems like a private, personal expression. I respect the team's right to make a quiet statement of conscience without amplification.

RE: WBB vs South Carolina Game Thread - jonnyss - 11-23-2022

i just skimmed through the video looking at the sidelines out of bounds plays. imo the 5-second call was a mess. the team appears to screen as if the ball will be coming from the baseline. for example, in a similar earlier play, the team lined up in their usual box around the key. haley was near-side, low post. she used her nearside high post screen to get free to receive the ball.

in that unfortunate last minute play, haley was sidelines throwing the ball in. hannah started in that same near-side, low post position but screened towards the basket instead of moving towards mid court. talana was far-side, high post and screened towards the baseline, but kiki, far-side and low post did not use the screen of either talana or hannah to get free. we had no one using her available screen.

at the game i thought, well haley should have tossed the ball in and taken the 50% chance we would come down with the ball. looking at the replay, south carolina had position while we were screening. tossing the ball in would almost certainly have resulted in a live-ball turnover and easy basket for s carolina.

i was reminded that a few years ago, ros gold-onwude was calling a game and made a snarky comment to the effect of, "there's that box formation for the inbounds play again; tara only has one inbounds play."

the team had just come out of a time-out. whatever the coaches discussed during the time-out, i'd guess it was neither the in-bounds play nor the lack of remaining time-outs.

RE: WBB vs South Carolina Game Thread - M T - 11-23-2022

(11-23-2022, 09:49 AM)MV72018 Wrote: I don't get why Tara invited 5-for-19 Haley to the post-game presser with Brink.

I asked myself why she didn't invite Lepolo instead of Jones, and then realized that would be viewed as a big snub of Jones, with people thinking it was for the failed inbounds play. That would have been unfair to Jones.

Then I realized that Tara is no dummy! (not that I didn't know it before)

RE: WBB vs South Carolina Game Thread - martyup - 11-23-2022

(11-22-2022, 10:10 PM)Hulk01 Wrote: This is a terrific Stanford team. To beat South Carolina, we need some players to emerge.

I dunno. We were up 4 with 16 seconds left, and had a 10 point lead at the start of the 4th Q. I'd say that if we played them again today, we would have a better than 50% chance of winning.

Mudhead - Mudhead - 11-23-2022

(11-23-2022, 12:20 PM)Baez87 Wrote:
(11-23-2022, 12:01 PM)81alum Wrote:
(11-23-2022, 10:49 AM)Mudhead Wrote: My question is this: why does our team leave the floor before the national anthem and return only after it is concluded? It is striking to see the other team standing respectfully while we are gone . PLEASE NOTE: I am not interested in arguing whether our reason for being absent is good, bad or indifferent. But I would like to know why we are absent and what has to. Hanger before we reappear .
They started doing this last year, and I asked anyone here for a theory and didn't get an answer. So far I've not spent a chalk talk question on it. I guess I am a bit afraid of the answer--if it is a Colin Kaepernick type thing I might respect that, but I wouldn't want the team becoming the center of attention for the wrong reasons. So for a year and a half I have not asked and they have not told.

I would let it go without question or comment. It seems like a private, personal expression. I respect the team's right to make a quiet statement of conscience without amplification.

I have to very respectfully disagree. This is not a private expression. It is very public. I first noticed it at the Final Four in San Antonio but that’s because I only get to attend a few games in person and I don’t think team departure and arrival are covered on TV.

I do agree that each team member , just like each of us, has a right to a “quiet statement of conscience:without amplification”… but if no one knows what the statement is it’s a little like the old saw about a tree falling in the woods with no one present to ear the crash.

I’ve followed Tara’s teams for more years than I like to admit and with very, very few exceptions the women who have played are not only marvelous basketball players but quite intelligent and thoughtful. This team is all that and more, It’s a little hard for me to figure out why intelligent , thoughtful people make a statement that is unknown to anyone.

I thought it was just ol ignorant me who did not get it but apparently not. And let me repeat, I’m not going to get into a discussion as to whether it is a good thing to do because that won’t likely accomplish anything. But I am just plain curious as to why our team, alone among all of basketball so far as I know, is not present for the National Anthem.

RE: WBB vs South Carolina Game Thread - MV72018 - 11-23-2022

(11-23-2022, 12:37 PM)martyup Wrote:
(11-22-2022, 10:10 PM)Hulk01 Wrote: This is a terrific Stanford team. To beat South Carolina, we need some players to emerge.

I dunno. We were up 4 with 16 seconds left, and had a 10 point lead at the start of the 4th Q. I'd say that if we played them again today, we would have a better than 50% chance of winning.

That makes one of us who believe that.

RE: WBB vs South Carolina Game Thread - M T - 11-23-2022

(11-23-2022, 11:33 AM)jonnyss Wrote: 1) when i watch the whole game video linked above - thanks! - at the 6 minute mark i see haley play exactly the same defense, standing midway between the shooter at the 3-point line and aliyah boston. the outside shooter passes in to boston, haley doubles, and boston travels. sometimes the defense worked, sometimes it didn't, but seems clear to me that that defense was called by the coaches, not an error by haley.

watch at 18 min. haley again is playing center field (4 players man, haley in zone). haley doubles boston, boston commits offense foul (elbow to the face, should have been a flagrant 2)

2) as i watch that unfortunate last-minute made 3, i see haley standing just inside the 3-point line and the shooter making the shot from 4 feet behind the line. pretty common for a defense to guard the line and allow the steph curry shot. if you make it, more power to you.

Very different game situations. 4 points up, under 20 seconds left, you don't want to give up a 3-point goal, esp. from a 44% FG% shooter. Boston was on the 3pt line, not in the block.

"6 minute mark" = Q1 8:19. Boston is in the block on Jones's side of the court. The person (#41) Jones is supposed to be guarding is on the 3pt line was a 0 for 4 3pt shooter going into the game. She gets the ball and Jones stays between her and Boston. Good play.

"18 minute". At 17:42 video, Q1 2:42 Stanford up 17-9, Jones's player is left open at the 3pt line and receives a pass. She(#25) was 2 for 12 for 3pt coming into the game. She misses the wide-open shot.(long rebound goes to Lepolo) as Jones just stands pretty much where she was at the time the pass was made.

At 18:02 video, Q1 2:22, Stanford up 19-9, Jones was beyond the FT line when the ball is passed in to Boston on the block, guarded by Prechtel. Jones moves down the center of the lane to restrict Boston's options. Boston throws an elbow in Prechtel's chin as she rotates toward the basket. This is a totally different situation than the one at the end of the game, so I'm not sure what the point was.

As for that foul, I would call that swinging of the elbow. The elbow was in front of her body when she raised them, and then in line with the shoulders when she struck her opponent. So her elbows rotated faster than her body.

Quote:Art. 7. The following shall be considered not only excessive, but extreme, swinging:
a) When arm(s) and elbow(s) are swung about while using the shoulders as pivots, and the speed of the extended arm(s) and elbow(s) exceeds that of the rest of the body as it rotates on the hips or on the pivot foot;
...
Art. 16. Illegal contact caused by the swinging of the elbow(s) that:
a. Results from total body movement is a personal or intentional foul.
b. Is excessive per Rule 10-6.7 is a disqualifying foul.
c. Occurs above or below the shoulders of an opponent is a personal,
intentional, or disqualifying foul.

That said, at that point in the game, I didn't think the foul was worth a flagrant foul.

RE: WBB vs South Carolina Game Thread - treetop11 - 11-23-2022

(11-23-2022, 02:34 PM)M T Wrote:
(11-23-2022, 11:33 AM)jonnyss Wrote: 1) when i watch the whole game video linked above - thanks! - at the 6 minute mark i see haley play exactly the same defense, standing midway between the shooter at the 3-point line and aliyah boston. the outside shooter passes in to boston, haley doubles, and boston travels. sometimes the defense worked, sometimes it didn't, but seems clear to me that that defense was called by the coaches, not an error by haley.

watch at 18 min. haley again is playing center field (4 players man, haley in zone). haley doubles boston, boston commits offense foul (elbow to the face, should have been a flagrant 2)

2) as i watch that unfortunate last-minute made 3, i see haley standing just inside the 3-point line and the shooter making the shot from 4 feet behind the line. pretty common for a defense to guard the line and allow the steph curry shot. if you make it, more power to you.

Very different game situations. 4 points up, under 20 seconds left, you don't want to give up a 3-point goal, esp. from a 44% FG% shooter. Boston was on the 3pt line, not in the block.

"6 minute mark" = Q1 8:19. Boston is in the block on Jones's side of the court. The person (#41) Jones is supposed to be guarding is on the 3pt line was a 0 for 4 3pt shooter going into the game. She gets the ball and Jones stays between her and Boston. Good play.

"18 minute". At 17:42 video, Q1 2:42 Stanford up 17-9, Jones's player is left open at the 3pt line and receives a pass. She(#25) was 2 for 12 for 3pt coming into the game. She misses the wide-open shot.(long rebound goes to Lepolo) as Jones just stands pretty much where she was at the time the pass was made.

At 18:02 video, Q1 2:22, Stanford up 19-9, Jones was beyond the FT line when the ball is passed in to Boston on the block, guarded by Prechtel. Jones moves down the center of the lane to restrict Boston's options. Boston throws an elbow in Prechtel's chin as she rotates toward the basket. This is a totally different situation than the one at the end of the game, so I'm not sure what the point was.

As for that foul, I would call that swinging of the elbow. The elbow was in front of her body when she raised them, and then in line with the shoulders when she struck her opponent. So her elbows rotated faster than her body.

Quote:Art. 7. The following shall be considered not only excessive, but extreme, swinging:
a) When arm(s) and elbow(s) are swung about while using the shoulders as pivots, and the speed of the extended arm(s) and elbow(s) exceeds that of the rest of the body as it rotates on the hips or on the pivot foot;
...
Art. 16. Illegal contact caused by the swinging of the elbow(s) that:
a. Results from total body movement is a personal or intentional foul.
b. Is excessive per Rule 10-6.7 is a disqualifying foul.
c. Occurs above or below the shoulders of an opponent is a personal,
intentional, or disqualifying foul.

That said, at that point in the game, I didn't think the foul was worth a flagrant foul.

Don't see why that wasn't a flagrant. I've seen similar in countless games and they have been called flagrant. What WAS egregious was that the refs didn't even bother to take a look at it even if they would have ruled it a common foul.

Watching replay, I was even more impressed with Ashten. She wasn't perfect, but her blocks, rebounds, and points all came at key times and were impt. to our building/keeping a lead. Her stats don't do justice to the effect that she had the game - as well as keeping Boston from going off in the paint.

RE: WBB vs South Carolina Game Thread - BostonCard - 11-23-2022

Nice analysis (by multiple people) about the three point defense. It seems likely that we emphasized sagging off the shooters when they were out on the wing to make it harder to pound the ball inside. And, for most of the game, it worked! South Carolina was 5/17 from behind the 3-point arch. In fact, prior to that shot, South Carolina was only 2/14 (14%) from three. It is really hard to fault a defense that made a calculated gamble to sag and it paid off.

Of course, context matters, and a good strategy during the first 39 minutes and 43 seconds of the game was probably not the right strategy up by 4 points with under a minute to go. At that point, you have to tell your players to defend the three tightly, and just make sure you don't foul. If they beat you with an easy layup to bring it to within 2, that's ok. It's hard to know where to put blame, but, I think, the fact that Prechtel, Jump, and Jones were all gave their shooters about the same amount of space suggests this was by design. I'd love to know what the rationale was, or if it was just a brain fart.

Easy for us to sit here and dissect the film with plenty of time to do it; much harder for the players and coaches to all do so in real time while a million other things are happening.

BC

RE: Mudhead - chimera - 11-23-2022

(11-23-2022, 01:04 PM)Mudhead Wrote:
(11-23-2022, 12:20 PM)Baez87 Wrote:
(11-23-2022, 12:01 PM)81alum Wrote:
(11-23-2022, 10:49 AM)Mudhead Wrote: My question is this: why does our team leave the floor before the national anthem and return only after it is concluded? It is striking to see the other team standing respectfully while we are gone . PLEASE NOTE: I am not interested in arguing whether our reason for being absent is good, bad or indifferent. But I would like to know why we are absent and what has to. Hanger before we reappear .
They started doing this last year, and I asked anyone here for a theory and didn't get an answer. So far I've not spent a chalk talk question on it. I guess I am a bit afraid of the answer--if it is a Colin Kaepernick type thing I might respect that, but I wouldn't want the team becoming the center of attention for the wrong reasons. So for a year and a half I have not asked and they have not told.

I would let it go without question or comment. It seems like a private, personal expression. I respect the team's right to make a quiet statement of conscience without amplification.

I have to very respectfully disagree. This is not a private expression. It is very public. I first noticed it at the Final Four in San Antonio but that’s because I only get to attend a few games in person and I don’t think team departure and arrival are covered on TV.

I do agree that each team member , just like each of us, has a right to a “quiet statement of conscience:without amplification”… but if no one knows what the statement is it’s a little like the old saw about a tree falling in the woods with no one present to ear the crash.

I’ve followed Tara’s teams for more years than I like to admit and with very, very few exceptions the women who have played are not only marvelous basketball players but quite intelligent and thoughtful. This team is all that and more, It’s a little hard for me to figure out why intelligent , thoughtful people make a statement that is unknown to anyone.

I thought it was just ol ignorant me who did not get it but apparently not. And let me repeat, I’m not going to get into a discussion as to whether it is a good thing to do because that won’t likely accomplish anything. But I am just plain curious as to why our team, alone among all of basketball so far as I know, is not present for the National Anthem.

Maybe it is because a few of our players are not US citizens? Stanford is not the only team that leaves the court for the anthem. I've seen plenty of teams do that over the years. Might be they decided it was a good time to do some last minute whatever in the locker room. It may be a statement, it may not. to me it makes no difference if they are there or not. I don't think the anthem should even be played at sporting events. They are not patriotic activities.

RE: Mudhead - WBB fan - 11-23-2022

(11-23-2022, 06:22 PM)chimera Wrote:
(11-23-2022, 01:04 PM)Mudhead Wrote:
(11-23-2022, 12:20 PM)Baez87 Wrote:
(11-23-2022, 12:01 PM)81alum Wrote:
(11-23-2022, 10:49 AM)Mudhead Wrote: My question is this: why does our team leave the floor before the national anthem and return only after it is concluded? It is striking to see the other team standing respectfully while we are gone . PLEASE NOTE: I am not interested in arguing whether our reason for being absent is good, bad or indifferent. But I would like to know why we are absent and what has to. Hanger before we reappear .
They started doing this last year, and I asked anyone here for a theory and didn't get an answer. So far I've not spent a chalk talk question on it. I guess I am a bit afraid of the answer--if it is a Colin Kaepernick type thing I might respect that, but I wouldn't want the team becoming the center of attention for the wrong reasons. So for a year and a half I have not asked and they have not told.

I would let it go without question or comment. It seems like a private, personal expression. I respect the team's right to make a quiet statement of conscience without amplification.

I have to very respectfully disagree. This is not a private expression. It is very public. I first noticed it at the Final Four in San Antonio but that’s because I only get to attend a few games in person and I don’t think team departure and arrival are covered on TV.

I do agree that each team member , just like each of us, has a right to a “quiet statement of conscience:without amplification”… but if no one knows what the statement is it’s a little like the old saw about a tree falling in the woods with no one present to ear the crash.

I’ve followed Tara’s teams for more years than I like to admit and with very, very few exceptions the women who have played are not only marvelous basketball players but quite intelligent and thoughtful. This team is all that and more, It’s a little hard for me to figure out why intelligent , thoughtful people make a statement that is unknown to anyone.

I thought it was just ol ignorant me who did not get it but apparently not. And let me repeat, I’m not going to get into a discussion as to whether it is a good thing to do because that won’t likely accomplish anything. But I am just plain curious as to why our team, alone among all of basketball so far as I know, is not present for the National Anthem.

Maybe it is because a few of our players are not US citizens? Stanford is not the only team that leaves the court for the anthem. I've seen plenty of teams do that over the years. Might be they decided it was a good time to do some last minute whatever in the locker room. It may be a statement, it may not. to me it makes no difference if they are there or not. I don't think the anthem should even be played at sporting events. They are not patriotic activities.

You're probably going to get some blowback on the last comment re not playing the anthem, but I'm totally with you on this one. Agree completely. completely.

RE: Mudhead - Goose - 11-24-2022

(11-23-2022, 10:58 PM)WBB fan Wrote:
(11-23-2022, 06:22 PM)chimera Wrote: I don't think the anthem should even be played at sporting events. They are not patriotic activities.

You're probably going to get some blowback on the last comment re not playing the anthem, but I'm totally with you on this one. Agree completely. completely.

I too agree. It is a game that has nothing to do with the national character of those who play it. In the Olympics or similar, OK. In all other cases, I think it is out of place. I have always been of that opinion, even before there was any "controversy" surrounding it. At that point, I was the quaint minority. Given that experience, I don't see the anthem going away anytime soon.

RE: WBB vs South Carolina Game Thread - martyup - 11-24-2022

On this Thanksgiving Day, I think it is appropriate to recognize and appreciate a tradition that was born out of the ultimate sacrifices made by those that came before us to give us the freedom that we enjoy today in America. That tradition is playing the Star Spangled Banner at public events. It was started after our victory in WWI. At public gatherings all across this nation, whether it be a county fair, pee wee league baseball game, rodeo, or NFL football game, we honor our freedom and those who died to give it to us with the playing of the National Anthem.

Here are articles detailing the origins of the tradition:
https://www.history.com/news/why-the-star-spangled-banner-is-played-at-sporting-events
https://time.com/4955623/history-national-anthem-sports-nfl/
https://www.nbcmiami.com/news/sports/super-bowl-2022/why-is-the-national-anthem-played-at-sporting-events/2685480/

RE: WBB vs South Carolina Game Thread - old spanish trail - 11-24-2022

(11-23-2022, 02:21 PM)MV72018 Wrote:
(11-23-2022, 12:37 PM)martyup Wrote:
(11-22-2022, 10:10 PM)Hulk01 Wrote: This is a terrific Stanford team. To beat South Carolina, we need some players to emerge.

I dunno. We were up 4 with 16 seconds left, and had a 10 point lead at the start of the 4th Q. I'd say that if we played them again today, we would have a better than 50% chance of winning.

That makes one of us who believe that.

I'll make it two.

RE: WBB vs South Carolina Game Thread - chimera - 11-24-2022

(11-24-2022, 01:40 PM)old spanish trail Wrote:
(11-23-2022, 02:21 PM)MV72018 Wrote:
(11-23-2022, 12:37 PM)martyup Wrote:
(11-22-2022, 10:10 PM)Hulk01 Wrote: This is a terrific Stanford team. To beat South Carolina, we need some players to emerge.

I dunno. We were up 4 with 16 seconds left, and had a 10 point lead at the start of the 4th Q. I'd say that if we played them again today, we would have a better than 50% chance of winning.

That makes one of us who believe that.

I'll make it two.

Three