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RE: WBB: Rainbow Wahine Showdown - martyup - 11-27-2022

(11-27-2022, 08:43 PM)Leftcoast Wrote: Sometimes I think we specialize in finding the cloud inside every silver lining.

I view this team as a strong contender for a National Championship. I think they see themselves as such too. Therefore, when they don't play up to that potential it's fair to scrutinize their performance IMO. At any rate, that's what sports boards are all about.

I love this team and I want the best for them. I hate to see 11, 15, and 17 point quarters against an unranked 1-6 team. I am stoked that Ashten went 5-9 from three, but I'm concerned that Hannah went 1-6 and we had 14 turnovers.

RE: WBB: Rainbow Wahine Showdown - TheFarm07 - 11-27-2022

(11-27-2022, 08:43 PM)Leftcoast Wrote:
Quote:A 29 point W is a W.

Fixed it for you. We jumped out to a large lead, won easily and almost doubled our opponent's score. They can't all be offensive gems.

Sometimes I think we specialize in finding the cloud inside every silver lining.

I don't think we are being too nitpicky. We all want a national title and given our expectations and the level of the team, it comes down to small, but potentially significant things, especially when playing in a tight game against a high quality opponent.

Example: the loss to South Carolina last week. If someone called a timeout without any left in these last three games in Hawaii, it wouldn't have mattered. It did matter last Sunday, so just excusing away the flaws even in a blowout victory is not the right way to do it as habits have a way to show up in the worst way in a critical situation.

RE: WBB: 3 wins @ Rainbow Wahine Showdown - MV72018 - 11-27-2022

Another lackluster game for Haley Jones: 3 for 12 from the field, worse in percentage than that miserable 5 for 19 against South Carolina. Yes, she had a truly excellent game the other day against FGCU (and barely played against Grambling). But her poor shooting against competitive teams is concerning.

RE: WBB: 3 wins @ Rainbow Wahine Showdown - M T - 11-28-2022

I was thinking about our bigs hitting 3pt shots (specifically Prechtel). A team like So. Carolina can afford to assign someone to guard Jump all the time. A really quick guard can do a good job of that.

It's a lot different to assign someone to guard a big player like Prechtel or Brink. A quick guard can perhaps disrupt passes in, but is going to have trouble with high passes, and with actually guarding the 3pt shot attempt. If you assign a big player to guard her, you've reduced your ability to clog the lane, to block shots by others that may drive the basket, and to pull down rebounds.

Prechtel may not be the best athlete on the floor but she has developed an aspect of her game that makes her an uncommon asset that has helped the team in important situations. She's a smart player, and plays team ball.

Brink is a splendid athlete for her size. She has been developing this aspect of her game and I'm sure it will serve her well.

One problem with this is that on offense, we often have 5 players on the 3pt arc and none crash the boards when the 3pt shot goes up. As a result, we don't get as many offensive rebounds as might be expected for our height.

RE: WBB: 3 wins @ Rainbow Wahine Showdown - MV72018 - 11-28-2022

(11-28-2022, 03:28 AM)M T Wrote: I was thinking about our bigs hitting 3pt shots (specifically Prechtel). A team like So. Carolina can afford to assign someone to guard Jump all the time. A really quick guard can do a good job of that.

It's a lot different to assign someone to guard a big player like Prechtel or Brink. A quick guard can perhaps disrupt passes in, but is going to have trouble with high passes, and with actually guarding the 3pt shot attempt. If you assign a big player to guard her, you've reduced your ability to clog the lane, to block shots by others that may drive the basket, and to pull down rebounds.

Prechtel may not be the best athlete on the floor but she has developed an aspect of her game that makes her an uncommon asset that has helped the team in important situations. She's a smart player, and plays team ball.

Brink is a splendid athlete for her size. She has been developing this aspect of her game and I'm sure it will serve her well.

One problem with this is that on offense, we often have 5 players on the 3pt arc and none crash the boards when the 3pt shot goes up. As a result, we don't get as many offensive rebounds as might be expected for our height.

And Haley is really the only threat with the mindset and dribble control to take it to the hoop. (Bosgana may prove to be a second person on the team willing and able to do that.)

Mudhead - Mudhead - 11-28-2022

(11-27-2022, 07:20 PM)81alum Wrote: Well, a win and on to the airport for a long flight home. But that did not seem like a particularly inspiring win. Prechtel had a good game, Lepolo had 3 fouls and was beaten a couple of times--so her defense has a ways to go, but she also had 8 assists and continues to look like a starting point guard. Jump was off tonight.

For those of you with eyes on the game, any clues as to our lackluster offense? Defense was solid.

Watched the game on Spectrum. To the extent you can tell from watching TV, even the intros were pretty laid back. I think we saw a team that knew it would win and win big and didn’t feel the need for intensity. Not to say they were lackadaisical , jus not intense. I don’t blame them.. too many easy games makes life a little dull except for fighting for playing time. This tournament has a very weak field , even after giving credit to FGCU for being a good, if unusual team.

It has to be hard to maintain intensity with zero fear of loss. I’m not worried. Upcoming schedule will get everyone ready for PAC 12 play..

FYI, there was a moving national anthem presentation. Hawaiian woman with a good voice sung the NA first in English and then in Hawaiian . This reminded me of the way New Zealand does it’s national anthem at sporting events: first in .English than in Māori . Quite moving.

Our team missed it. No one knows why or what has to happen before our absence ends but the net result is that our team shunned an excellent singer who quietly presented an inclusive message. It must be worth it to someone or some group on the team or the entire team. But only they know .

RE: WBB: Rainbow Wahine Showdown - WBB fan - 11-28-2022

(11-27-2022, 10:03 PM)TheFarm07 Wrote:
(11-27-2022, 08:43 PM)Leftcoast Wrote:
Quote:A 29 point W is a W.

Fixed it for you. We jumped out to a large lead, won easily and almost doubled our opponent's score. They can't all be offensive gems.

Sometimes I think we specialize in finding the cloud inside every silver lining.

I don't think we are being too nitpicky. We all want a national title and given our expectations and the level of the team, it comes down to small, but potentially significant things, especially when playing in a tight game against a high quality opponent.

Example: the loss to South Carolina last week. If someone called a timeout without any left in these last three games in Hawaii, it wouldn't have mattered. It did matter last Sunday, so just excusing away the flaws even in a blowout victory is not the right way to do it as habits have a way to show up in the worst way in a critical situation.

Excellent point

RE: Mudhead - BostonCard - 11-28-2022

(11-28-2022, 09:59 AM)Mudhead Wrote: Our team missed it. No one knows why or what has to happen before our absence ends but the net result is that our team shunned an excellent singer who quietly presented an inclusive message. It must be worth it to someone or some group on the team or the entire team. But only they know .

I think it has been discussed in other posts, but the team does not come out to the floor for the national anthem. Seems to be a team decision.

BC

Mudhead - Mudhead - 11-28-2022

(11-28-2022, 10:30 AM)BostonCard Wrote:
(11-28-2022, 09:59 AM)Mudhead Wrote: Our team missed it. No one knows why or what has to happen before our absence ends but the net result is that our team shunned an excellent singer who quietly presented an inclusive message. It must be worth it to someone or some group on the team or the entire team. But only they know .

I think it has been discussed in other posts, but the team does not come out to the floor for the national anthem. Seems to be a team decision.

BC

Agree with all you say. Important to add, I think, that no one seems to know why they dont come out or when it began or when it will end. I wonder if the team knows or whether they don’t care and don’t want to rock the boat. Just curious, i really doubt they intended any disrespect for the woman singing the NA, for the Hawaiian version of the NA or for the NA itself. On the other hand ,it is hard to believe this group of accomplished and intelligent women would engage in symbolism just for the pure heck of it.

It is certainly their right to do so . It is also odd.

RE: WBB: 3 wins @ Rainbow Wahine Showdown - M T - 11-28-2022

On the Cardboard, we avoid political discussion. The feelings on such topics run deep and if everyone expressed their own feelings publicly, that could well lead to a breakdown of the community. So, we agree to avoid the potential confrontations so we can have the community.

Perhaps a similar situation exists on the WBB team.

RE: WBB: 3 wins @ Rainbow Wahine Showdown - crackpot - 11-28-2022

(11-27-2022, 10:46 PM)MV72018 Wrote: Another lackluster game for Haley Jones: 3 for 12 from the field, worse in percentage than that miserable 5 for 19 against South Carolina. Yes, she had a truly excellent game the other day against FGCU (and barely played against Grambling). But her poor shooting against competitive teams is concerning.

"What, did they engrave those trophys before the tournament started?!" -- call from the other room when the photo of Haley with the tournament MVP trophy appeared on social media.

Baez87 - Baez87 - 11-28-2022

Playing Hawaii
The SWBB team can be phenomenal. Yesterday they were up by thirty points before the U of Hawaii knew what hit them. Hawaii had hacked and pushed but to no avail (I’m sure that Stanford players are nursing multiple abrasions and bruises today). There is a Warrior Ethos on the Island, one steeped in centuries of survival. When translated into a basketball game governed by rules and played on a hardwood court, a different type of game erupts, especially when played by full-framed players, coached to win at all costs.
The Stanford women played through the Hawaiian maul-ball for a half, took their abuses in a game where many fouls were ignored, and seemed to hang it up at halftime when the game was out of reach. And who could blame them?
The game was all but over when one of the smaller Hawaiian players drilled Cam like a Loggerhead Shrike attacking its prey. Cam was spun 360 degrees, and pushed to the ground face first. I was reminded of the game I saw in this same court four years ago when Anna Wilson was blindsided and driven into the folding chairs on the sidelines. Unlike Anna, who was wheeled on a stretcher to an awaiting ambulance, Cam was able to get up off the floor and continue to play.
For those fans who were not in attendance, Stanford’s second half play, which may have seemed like a letdown, was probably an exercise in survival.
Who could blame them?

RE: Baez87 - 81alum - 11-28-2022

(11-28-2022, 12:09 PM)Baez87 Wrote: Playing Hawaii
The SWBB team can be phenomenal. Yesterday they were up by thirty points before the U of Hawaii knew what hit them. Hawaii had hacked and pushed but to no avail (I’m sure that Stanford players are nursing multiple abrasions and bruises today). There is a Warrior Ethos on the Island, one steeped in centuries of survival. When translated into a basketball game governed by rules and played on a hardwood court, a different type of game erupts, especially when played by full-framed players, coached to win at all costs.
The Stanford women played through the Hawaiian maul-ball for a half, took their abuses in a game where many fouls were ignored, and seemed to hang it up at halftime when the game was out of reach. And who could blame them?
The game was all but over when one of the smaller Hawaiian players drilled Cam like a Loggerhead Shrike attacking its prey. Cam was spun 360 degrees, and pushed to the ground face first. I was reminded of the game I saw in this same court four years ago when Anna Wilson was blindsided and driven into the folding chairs on the sidelines. Unlike Anna, who was wheeled on a stretcher to an awaiting ambulance, Cam was able to get up off the floor and continue to play.
For those fans who were not in attendance, Stanford’s second half play, which may have seemed like a letdown, was probably an exercise in survival.
Who could blame them?

What an excellent point...Tara cares about these things, in order:
1) Winning
2) Avoiding injury to key players, then any players.
3) Getting the key players valuable experience
4) Getting everyone into the game

Not having watched the game, I could not know how dangerous the game was becoming. From what you say, once we had assured ourselves of the win, we dialed it back to avoid the real threat of injury. Imagine if Brink had gotten a serious concussion like Anna Wilson did on that court four years ago.

RE: Baez87 - M T - 11-28-2022

(11-28-2022, 12:09 PM)Baez87 Wrote: Playing Hawaii
.... Hawaiian maul-ball ...

You may have made Pele mad....
I'm glad our team left last night (yeah, I know Mauna Loa is not on Oahu).

And, 81Alum, I think Tara's first priority is the health and safety of the team.

RE: Mudhead - chimera - 11-28-2022

(11-28-2022, 10:59 AM)Mudhead Wrote:
(11-28-2022, 10:30 AM)BostonCard Wrote:
(11-28-2022, 09:59 AM)Mudhead Wrote: Our team missed it. No one knows why or what has to happen before our absence ends but the net result is that our team shunned an excellent singer who quietly presented an inclusive message. It must be worth it to someone or some group on the team or the entire team. But only they know .

I think it has been discussed in other posts, but the team does not come out to the floor for the national anthem. Seems to be a team decision.

BC
Agree with all you say. Important to add, I think, that no one seems to know why they dont come out or when it began or when it will end. I wonder if the team knows or whether they don’t care and don’t want to rock the boat. Just curious, i really doubt they intended any disrespect for the woman singing the NA, for the Hawaiian version of the NA or for the NA itself. On the other hand ,it is hard to believe this group of accomplished and intelligent women would engage in symbolism just for the pure heck of it.

It is certainly their right to do so . It is also odd.

It isn't really that odd. I've seen plenty of teams skip the anthem, leave the court while it is played, over the years. It may be some sort of protest or a way to avoid a protest. It may be that we now have a few players who are not US citizens who may feel a bit uncomfortable standing for an anthem that is not theirs. It may be that the team has changed up how they do things and there is something they wish to do in the locker room at that time that they did earlier in the pre-game. Whatever the reason, there is nothing inherently wrong with leaving the court, IMO.

Mudhead - Mudhead - 11-28-2022

(11-28-2022, 11:24 AM)M T Wrote: On the Cardboard, we avoid political discussion. The feelings on such topics run deep and if everyone expressed their own feelings publicly, that could well lead to a breakdown of the community. So, we agree to avoid the potential confrontations so we can have the community.

Perhaps a similar situation exists on the WBB team.

That could well be the purpose of silence. There is no way to tell. The team does however, risk falling to the whim of the gods of unintended consequences , if it does not explain what it is doing. Perhaps a note to NA singer that absence of team had nothing to do with her or either version of the NA she performed? But that gets pretty cumbersome pretty quickly doesn’t it?

RE: WBB: 3 wins @ Rainbow Wahine Showdown - JJJ - 11-28-2022

Just FYI, the Hawaiian song is "Hawaii Ponoi" (with some okina's in there that look weird when I use the apostrophe).

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King Kalākaua, the author of the song's lyrics.

Regional anthem of Hawaii

Lyrics
King David Kalākaua, 1874
Music
Captain Henri Berger
Adopted
1967; 55 years ago
"Hawaiʻi Ponoʻī"[a] is the regional anthem of the U.S. state of Hawaii. It previously served as the national anthem of the independent Hawaiian Kingdom during the late 19th century, and has continued to be Hawaii's official anthem ever since annexation by the United States in 1898.

RE: WBB: 3 wins @ Rainbow Wahine Showdown - OCcardinal - 11-28-2022

Don't know if anyone shared this yet, but someone posted a 12 minute video to YouTube showing most of the scoring plays from the Stanford/Florida Gulf Coast game.
No. 2 Stanford vs Florida Gulf Coast 11.25.22

RE: WBB: 3 wins @ Rainbow Wahine Showdown - M T - 11-28-2022

Thanks for the link.

This frame shows the vulnerability in transition of our team that was taken advantage of

RE: Baez87 - cardcrimson - 11-28-2022

(11-28-2022, 12:09 PM)Baez87 Wrote: The game was all but over when one of the smaller Hawaiian players drilled Cam like a Loggerhead Shrike attacking its prey.

Now that is some incredible knowledge. . . .