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RE: SF Giants 2024 - cardcrimson - 12-16-2023
I'm confused. Which park did Barry Bonds play in?
RE: SF Giants 2024 - Mick - 12-16-2023
Statcast has Oracle as the #26 ballpark for home runs, with Chase Field as #16. Petco is #30. Giants were #19 in overall home runs in 2023, #12 in 2022 and #2 in 2021. They're going in the wrong direction.
If Yamamoto is offered by the Giants and Red Sox, he should come with us. Fenway is the second easiest ballpark to hit home runs, right behind Coors Field in Colorado.
(12-16-2023, 07:19 PM)cardcrimson Wrote: I'm confused. Which park did Barry Bonds play in?
He played in PED park... ;)
(12-16-2023, 04:24 PM)old spanish trail Wrote:.(12-16-2023, 03:11 PM)Mick Wrote:(12-16-2023, 01:34 PM)old spanish trail Wrote:(12-16-2023, 11:38 AM)Giants Wrote: “over half the restaurants in the city have shut down”…
Wrong!
Per the Golden Gate Restaurant Association, there were 3,974 restaurants in the city in 2021. To suggest that nearly 2,000 restaurants in the city have closed since that time exaggerates the difficulty the dining industry has experienced over the last couple years.
SF has its share of problems. However, to call it a “failed city” is definitely wrong. The pandemic has had a significant impact (more so than most large cities in the U.S.) with the workforce coming back far more slowly than elsewhere (I would guess this is due to the nature of work done by a very large segment of the employee-base in SF). This is the primary reason large businesses downtown have shuttered their stores. However, it is remains a world class city that attracts visitors from all over the world. In fact, tourism increased in 2022 (21.9 million) by 29% over 2021.
In an attempt to not cross our political commentary line, I will just say, there are forces in the media that would like to see SF fail but they are wrong. Those of us who live here know better.
Last comment - Unfortunately, Posey was right, it is a matter of perception over reality.
Back to baseball…. Manea may be coming back.
I'm ok with Manea coming back. He had three bad outings and was made to sit in the corner. If they don't pay too much, he's way worth it. Re other factors, I have followed the demonization of SF and Newsom on Fox. It's one of their big themes and it's gross. I could cite many examples but dont want to wade into political stuff.
Agreed, but then I don't watch Fox so I wouldn't know what they communicate re: SF or anything else.
What do you think Manaea is worth? $10 million? His splits at home and vs. lefties were really strong last year, and he finished really strong. Basically, his ERA got better from June onward.
About right. Or two for sixteen? A big bargain compared to Stripling
Same reporter who says Manaea is returning is also claiming that Yamamoto has been offered by Red Sox and Giants.
MLB rumors: Giants headed toward Sean Manaea reunion in free agency? (clutchpoints.com)
MLB rumors: Giants, Red Sox reportedly offered Yoshinobu Yamamoto over $300 million (msn.com)
RE: SF Giants 2024 - Mick - 12-17-2023
Maybe Shota Imanaga, the steak knives of the Japanese league pitchers
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10101442-mlb-rumors-shota-imanaga-drawing-interest-from-giants-amid-yankees-mets-links
Good pitcher. Not worth $300 mms., but maybe $85 mms.
RE: SF Giants 2024 - BobK - 12-18-2023
https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/39143596/giants-catcher-tom-murphy-reach-2-year-8m-deal-sources-say
A needed back up catcher
RE: SF Giants 2024 - Mick - 12-18-2023
(12-18-2023, 09:11 PM)BobK Wrote: https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/39143596/giants-catcher-tom-murphy-reach-2-year-8m-deal-sources-say
A needed back up catcher
Good signing, I think. His OPS has been between .850 and .900 three of the last four seasons he's played, including the last two (.894 and .873). Last year hit much better as a catcher, versus DH, though his career splits indicate the reverse Crushes both LHPs and RHPs equally, more patience against RHPs. Wouldn't be surprised to see him as DH. Had 8 HRs and 12 doubles in 145 ABs last year. 0 for 5 as PH last year. Usually hits in the 7 or 8 hole.
Slightly below average behind the plate, but not ridiculously so. Had a cannon for an arm up until 2019. Last season only threw out 1 in 27 stolen base attempts.
Played one game at Oracle last year, went 1 for 4 with a single, got on base on catcher's interference (Bailey). Struck out looking against Manaea and Junis. He must have called a decent game, Mariners won 6-0.
Injury prone. Missed 2020 with a fractured foot. Has had multiple shoulder surgeries. An oblique injury shortened one of his minor league seasons.
Giants actually took him off waivers in 2019, then traded him to Seattle where he hit 18 HRs in 75 games.
RE: SF Giants 2024 - BobK - 12-19-2023
https://www.mlb.com/player/tj-hopkins-686759?stats=career-r-hitting-minors&year=2023
The newesr Giant. Well Rivercat probably
RE: SF Giants 2024 - lex24 - 12-19-2023
BobK dateline='[url=tel:1703008075' Wrote: 1703008075[/url]']
https://www.mlb.com/player/tj-hopkins-686759?stats=career-r-hitting-minors&year=2023
The newesr Giant. Well Rivercat probably
Churn baby Churn.
RE: SF Giants 2024 - Mick - 12-20-2023
(12-19-2023, 12:17 PM)lex24 Wrote:BobK dateline='[url=tel:1703008075' Wrote: 1703008075[/url]']
https://www.mlb.com/player/tj-hopkins-686759?stats=career-r-hitting-minors&year=2023
The newesr Giant. Well Rivercat probably
Churn baby Churn.
I'm guessing River Cats, to see what they have. He hit .308, OPS of .924 at Louisville. The International League isn't quite the hitter's league that the PCL is, scoring more than half a run less per game than the PCL. So it's a little more meaningful. At the same time, the Giants have a very crowded outfield now, with eight on the 40-man roster (Yaz, Conforto, Haniger, Slater, Lee, Ramos, Matos and Meckler) with Fitzgerald right behind them. Doesn't include Wisely who played 18 games in CF, or Sabol who played 32 games in LF. They're going to have to do something about that logjam.
And Hopkins is four years younger than Slater. They're both tough on lefties. Slater used to have speed, he's stolen 46 bases in 51 attempts over his MLB career...but was just 2 for 4 last year.
RE: SF Giants 2024 - triangle2 - 12-21-2023
Alex Pavlovic reported on the Elon site that Giants have been informed they are out of the Yamamoto sweepstakes. Strike two!
Depressing...
What's now most likely?
1. Zaidi panics, offers a bunch of declining free agents too much money, i.e. JD Martinez, Elvis Andrus, etc.
2. Zaidi panics and overpays for Cody Bellinger who regresses from his 5-6 WAR season to 1.8 and a lot of fly balls to right field.
3. Zaidi overpays for Matt Chapman and tries to sell this as "this is the deal you've been waiting for" and we watch another declining Evan Longoria situation unfold. Then, he re-signs Manaea and Snell goes elsewhere.
4. Zaidi signs Imanaga for 7 years, $145 Million and we see what it's like when Imanaga's 90+ fastball turns out to be 'very hittable'.
5. Welcome back to the Captain on a one year deal.
RE: SF Giants 2024 - cardcrimson - 12-21-2023
(12-21-2023, 06:15 PM)triangle2 Wrote: Alex Pavlovic reported on the Elon site that Giants have been informed they are out of the Yamamoto sweepstakes. Strike two!
Depressing...
What's now most likely?
1. Zaidi panics, offers a bunch of declining free agents too much money, i.e. JD Martinez, Elvis Andrus, etc.
2. Zaidi panics and overpays for Cody Bellinger who regresses from his 5-6 WAR season to 1.8 and a lot of fly balls to right field.
3. Zaidi overpays for Matt Chapman and tries to sell this as "this is the deal you've been waiting for" and we watch another declining Evan Longoria situation unfold. Then, he re-signs Manaea and Snell goes elsewhere.
4. Zaidi signs Imanaga for 7 years, $145 Million and we see what it's like when Imanaga's 90+ fastball turns out to be 'very hittable'.
5. Welcome back to the Captain on a one year deal.
Is that you OF? We haven't seen that cynicism in awhile. . . .
Ohtani was never going to be a Giant. Had dreams of Yamamoto for the Giants for awhile, but the tealeaves were never good. I guess, though I'm an old crank, I'm a build from the floor kind of guy. Maybe I'll live long enough to see the Giants win another pennant from acquiring young talent and the farm. . .
RE: SF Giants 2024 - Mick - 12-21-2023
Yamamoto to Dodgers for 12 years, $325 million.
There are risks, says the headline, to a 12 year contract for a pitcher coming out of the equivalent of AAA baseball. Imagine that.
https://www.cbssports.com/mlb/news/yoshinobu-yamamoto-scores-325-million-deal-with-dodgers-but-there-are-risks-to-signing-japanese-ace/
I imagine Giants will chase Snell and/or Imanaga. Snell will get 5-6 years, $125 mms. to $150 mms. Maybe Jung Hoo Lee's buddy Ha-Seong Kim from the Padres at SS.
https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/s/snellbl01.shtml
https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/k/kimha01.shtml
https://www.baseball-reference.com/register/player.fcgi?id=imanag000sho
Chapman is a gold glove 3B (has four of them, actually), was first in DPs last year for a 3B, 2nd in range factor, first in career fielding percentage. He's the real deal at 3B. His OPS+ was 108, not bad. Hit 17 HRs last year, and 27 each of the two prior years. Was 4th in doubles in the AL last year, not too shabby. Was AL player of the month in April this past season.
Trade JD Davis and David Villar for...whatever they can get, maybe a throw-in with a pitching prospect to Milwaukee...they need a 3B.
2024 Giants Thread - lex24 - 01-02-2024
May we Mods? Thanks for considering.
RE: OT 2024 Giants Thread - lex24 - 01-02-2024
Thinking that things will break next two weeks. Imanaga supposedly coming to US to meet with teams. Giants can’t have just Lee and Tom Murphy as their additions.
RE: OT 2024 Giants Thread - Mick - 01-02-2024
BetOnline.com is listing the Giants as the non-incumbent favorites for Bellinger, Snell and Chapman.
I think the Giants would like at least one top-level starting pitcher. Two weeks ago, Farhan said that the trade market for front line starting pitching had cooled considerably -- in other words, those teams want too much. So I'd be surprised if the Giants traded for a top starter, and I don't think they'll trade for an above-average starter. I think it's Snell or Imanaga. Maybe both.
As for Bellinger, the Giants already have their CF in Lee. Bellinger has played 1B -- a lot -- for the Cubs. He didn't hit well as a 1B. He crushed it as a DH (in limited DH appearances), but had a 1.000+ OPS at DH, .928 as CF, just .777 as 1B. He didn't hit in Oracle last year, but historically had not hit very well there. Matt Chapman, on the other hand, hits .264 at Oracle (versus .240 career) and .813 OPS at Oracle (versus .790 career).
RE: OT 2024 Giants Thread - Giants - 01-02-2024
Since Chapman, Snell and Bellinger are represented by Boros, it may be late January before they sign. I like Imanaga over Snell. I have a feeling that Snell (regardless who signs him) will be this year’s “what were they thinking” signee.
Signing Chapman and Imanaga (along with Lee) would be a solid off-season (Bellinger would be a bonus). Having said that, the key to 2024 is the development of the young guys, especially Luciano, Winn, Harrison, and Schmitt (Matt Williams may be able to help him get on track). And, it would be nice to have a breakout year from a player like Black or Whisenhunt.
RE: OT 2024 Giants Thread - Mick - 01-02-2024
(01-02-2024, 10:14 AM)Giants Wrote: Since Chapman, Snell and Bellinger are represented by Boros, it may be late January before they sign. I like Imanaga over Snell. I have a feeling that Snell (regardless who signs him) will be this year’s “what were they thinking” signee.
Signing Chapman and Imanaga (along with Lee) would be a solid off-season (Bellinger would be a bonus). Having said that, the key to 2024 is the development of the young guys, especially Luciano, Winn, Harrison, and Schmitt (Matt Williams may be able to help him get on track). And, it would be nice to have a breakout year from a player like Black or Whisenhunt.
I think the Giants have some serious young pitching talent. Hopefully Bryan Price (local out of Mt. Tam High and UC Berkeley) can develop the talent. This is his fifth pitching coach role. He was USA Today's Pitching coach of the year in 2001 with the Mariners, he was the Major League Coach of the year in 2007 after the Diamondbacks pitched well. This is his second time following a Gabe Kapler firing...Girardi named him pitching coach for the Phillies in 2020 after Kapler went 81-81 in 2019. The Phils went 28-32 the next season and their ERA ballooned from 4.53 to 5.14 when the Phillies finished 27th of 30 MLB teams. Price then retired, and came back as a senior advisor to the Padres for the last two years. They improved marginally from 14th to 11th in MLB from 4.37 to 3.81 ERA, then improved slightly to 3.73, which was 2nd in MLB. Pretty impressive. Hopefully Price will crush it with the young talent.
As for Pat Burrell, the new co-hitting coach, who was responsible for minor league hitting...SFG's minor league affiliates improved their hitting considerably from 2022 to 2023, from a .733 OPS to .754. The other co-hitting coach, Justin Viele, joined in 2020. The Giants went from 28th in runs scored to 8th, 6th, 11th and then dumped to 24th. As much as I'd like to see an SCU alum succeed, I'm very concerned that the 24th finish is what this team is capable of versus the 8th or 6th.
I think Matt WIlliams went through similar tribulations as did Casey Schmitt. Maybe he can unlock greatness there.
RE: 2024 Giants Thread - CompSci87 - 01-02-2024
(01-02-2024, 08:06 AM)lex24 Wrote: May we Mods? Thanks for considering.
BobK already started a Giants 2024 thread in October. Do you Giants fans want this new one for calendar year 2024 or should we merge them?
RE: 2024 Giants Thread - BobK - 01-02-2024
Let’s go with the new one
RE: 2024 Giants Thread - lex24 - 01-03-2024
BobK dateline='[url=tel:1704220437' Wrote: 1704220437[/url]']
Let’s go with the new one
Thanks Bobb. Sorry about that. Didn’t mean to duplicate.
Mick dateline='[url=tel:1704213027' Wrote: 1704213027[/url]']
BetOnline.com is listing the Giants as the non-incumbent favorites for Bellinger, Snell and Chapman.
I think the Giants would like at least one top-level starting pitcher. Two weeks ago, Farhan said that the trade market for front line starting pitching had cooled considerably -- in other words, those teams want too much. So I'd be surprised if the Giants traded for a top starter, and I don't think they'll trade for an above-average starter. I think it's Snell or Imanaga. Maybe both.
As for Bellinger, the Giants already have their CF in Lee. Bellinger has played 1B -- a lot -- for the Cubs. He didn't hit well as a 1B. He crushed it as a DH (in limited DH appearances), but had a 1.000+ OPS at DH, .928 as CF, just .777 as 1B. He didn't hit in Oracle last year, but historically had not hit very well there. Matt Chapman, on the other hand, hits .264 at Oracle (versus .240 career) and .813 OPS at Oracle (versus .790 career).
At this point, I’m from Missouri when it comes to the Giants ability to sign FA’s.
RE: 2024 Giants Thread - Mick - 01-03-2024
Spotrac is estimating the Giants 2024 payroll for Competitive Balance Tax purposes at $185 mms. with a salary cap of $237 mms. leaving $52 mms. for incoming free agents or trades. Next year, Conforto ($18 mms.), Stripling ($15 mms.), DeSclafani ($12 mms.), Cobb ($10 mms.), Jackson ($6.5 mms., club has a $7 mms. option), Flores ($6.5 mms., he has a $3.5 mms. option which he is unlikely to exercise assuming a halfway decent year), and Slater ($4 mms.) all conclude contracts, so a grand total of $72 million comes off the books next year.
I'm assuming Haniger (.631 OPS, only 61 games played) will have a mediocre year and decide to exercise his $17.5 million option. His OPS+ was 73, and his numbers have shown a sharp decline. Two years ago, he hit 39 HRs. maybe he bounces back. I doubt it. What was bizarre to me is that Haniger's a righty, and did reasonably well against LHPs, but 74% of his ABs were against RHPs, where his OPS was 106 points less, which was typical for his career.
And possibly another $8 million comes off the books, depending on what the Giants do with Yastrzemski. Yaz had a great year when he broke into the majors at age 28 with the Giants (.852 OPS), then an incredible year in the COVID year (.968, led the league in triples, #8 in MVP voting). The last three years have been .768, .697 (played 148 games) and .775 (down to 106 games,). Still, he absolutely crushes RHPs (.831 OPS) and is helpless against LHPs (.592 OPS). He turns 34 in August. Assuming standard age-related decline, this might be his last year as a Giant.
Lastly on Blake Snell...supposedly it's down to the Angels and Giants. The Giants had a better record last year by six wins and seem to be moving in a more positive direction (Angels lost Ohtani, Giants gained Lee, with more to come). Oracle is much, much more of a pitcher's park. Baseball Savant lists Angels park as #13 for hitters, Oracle is listed as #26. It would seem to me that the Giants would be more attractive to Snell (and perhaps less so for Bellinger, who is likely to re-sign with the Cubs or the Blue Jays).