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RE: OT: 2022 Niners thread - BostonCard - 09-19-2022
Hopefully if McKee pulls it down, it’s to throw and not to run it himself unless there is a big hole. But yeah, if McKee runs it and gets injured, we are screwed.
BC
RE: OT: 2022 Niners thread - gailtate - 09-19-2022
(09-19-2022, 01:03 PM)BostonCard Wrote: Hopefully if McKee pulls it down, it’s to throw and not to run it himself unless there is a big hole. But yeah, if McKee runs it and gets injured, we are screwed.
BC
I was calling for prayers for McKee's health last spring. The guy is a big, serviceable, strong-armed, smart QB. He is not, repeat NOT, mobile to any notable degree. And you can bet money that the DC at U-Dub will iron-out the "brilliant" RPO wrinkle that had Trojans mesmerized as fast as Seattle's loudmouth fans start shouting "It's great to be a Husky!" on Saturday night. Gonna be another ugly L. Over by half-time.
RE: OT: 2022 Niners thread - Phogge - 09-19-2022
OK. So Gail why even travel to Seattle if they are going to get run over like a sail bird.
Call it the Slaughter Rule.
Or then again go up there and have EUTM and beat the shit out of people.
RE: OT: 2022 Niners thread - Giants - 09-19-2022
(09-19-2022, 01:55 PM)Phogge Wrote: OK. So Gail why even travel to Seattle if they are going to get run over like a sail bird.
Call it the Slaughter Rule.
Or then again go up there and have EUTM and beat the shit out of people.
The last time I was at Husky Stadium for a game, it was cold and windy and the coffee machine broke down at the concession stand in the section where I was seated. There was a mini-riot. I had never seen anything like it. The Dawg fans were outraged - how can you not have a back-up system in place to serve coffee at a game in Seattle?
RE: OT: 2022 Niners thread - gailtate - 09-19-2022
(09-19-2022, 01:55 PM)Phogge Wrote: OK. So Gail why even travel to Seattle if they are going to get run over like a sail bird.
Call it the Slaughter Rule.
Or then again go up there and have EUTM and beat the shit out of people.
Huh? Who's traveling to Seattle other than The Team and its entourage? Seriously, this promises to be the smallest visitor "rooting" section in the history of Husky Stadium. They still shove visitors in the north end-zone behind the goalposts? The Siren should give Shaw a case of industrial-strength indigestion next weekend. Post-game presser should be tons o' fun for the scribblers.
RE: OT: 2022 Niners thread - Mick - 09-19-2022
Two questions...
I think many people, if not most, thought of Trey Lance as a not-ready-for-primetime quarterback. No disrespect, but he had one year of minor college experience, with lots of downtime. It's not a slam that he showed lots of room for improvement, he's just 22.
So I'm just wondering out loud, but did Kyle Shanahan call plays knowing that he was making the most potential use of Lance's strengths, but also that there was a non-zero chance that Lance could get hurt enough to bring in Jimmy G for the game? Or as it turns out...the season? And thereby forcing Lance to spend another, much-needed year on the bench studying Garoppolo? In other words, was Lance's injury really the worst-case scenario...or the best case scenario?
Also wondering out loud...how many GMs are kicking themselves for not acquiring Garoppolo? After one game, he doesn't have a QBR, but his passer rating would be #11 in the NFL. Not too shabby. BTW, Garoppolo led the NFL in yards per catch last year with 12.7 and net yards per attempt with 7.68.
And incidentally, Trey Lance's QBR is #20 in the NFL...pretty good for a full game played in that Chicago monsoon.
RE: OT: 2022 Niners thread - cardcrimson - 09-19-2022
(09-19-2022, 03:15 PM)gailtate Wrote:(09-19-2022, 01:55 PM)Phogge Wrote: OK. So Gail why even travel to Seattle if they are going to get run over like a sail bird.
Call it the Slaughter Rule.
Or then again go up there and have EUTM and beat the shit out of people.
Huh? Who's traveling to Seattle other than The Team and its entourage? Seriously, this promises to be the smallest visitor "rooting" section in the history of Husky Stadium. They still shove visitors in the north end-zone behind the goalposts? The Siren should give Shaw a case of industrial-strength indigestion next weekend. Post-game presser should be tons o' fun for the scribblers.
I'm guessing he was referring to the team. Why should they bother going, if they are just going to get killed. . . .
RE: OT: 2022 Niners thread - Phogge - 09-19-2022
Crimson calls it correct again. I know that Gail has run out of EUTM but as Johnny used to say you gotta have it in your stool.
Time to employ a Dick Mannini defense. On Penix first dropback hit him very hard and late. That’s how they beat Texas on the road in 1986. Texas was scared the rest of the game.
RE: OT: 2022 Niners thread - OutsiderFan - 09-20-2022
I thought this was the Niners thread...
Anyway, has any team ever been more dominant over the first two weeks of an NFL season than the Buffalo Bills? The best NFC team also played last night in the Philadelphia Eagles. Jalen Hurts and Josh Allen are what Kyle Shanhan imagines Trey Lance to be but isn't. Both are more physical and more dynamic, stronger, and smarter runners than Lance, and both are allowed to throw the ball more too.
Buffalo at Miami on Sunday. Should be fun.
RE: OT: 2022 Niners thread - lex24 - 09-20-2022
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(09-20-2022, 04:21 AM)OutsiderFan Wrote: I thought this was the Niners thread...
Anyway, has any team ever been more dominant over the first two weeks of an NFL season than the Buffalo Bills? The best NFC team also played last night in the Philadelphia Eagles. Jalen Hurts and Josh Allen are what Kyle Shanhan imagines Trey Lance to be but isn't. Both are more physical and more dynamic, stronger, and smarter runners than Lance, and both are allowed to throw the ball more too.
Buffalo at Miami on Sunday. Should be fun.
Both Allen and Hurts were pretty bad at the same “development “ stage of Lance.
In hindsight (always unfair, I admit) why the Niners felt the need to trade up to 3 to pick Lance is beyond me . (They arguably gave up more to move from 12 to 3 than the Broncos did to get Elway). At the time, I thought it was because he had overwhelming skills and had run a similar style offense, so at least that facet of the learning curve would be less onerous. He is a good strong runner. He has a rifle, no question. But he lacks NFL accuracy. Which is always the most important thing for an NFL QB. In other words- good not great skills. With upside.
Now everything I just said, could be (and was) said about Allen in the early stages of his career. He has become more accurate with a lot of work. And he now is right up there with Mahomes as the games best.
The upside hopefully is still there for Lance. But on a team that is a contender, you can’t afford patience. Perhaps Jones at 12 (or if they had to move up a spot or two and give up maybe a third) on this team with this offense would have been the better choice. (I’m not sold on Fields). They couldn’t make that trade to 3, however, and pick Jones. The howling was occurring at massive decibels when it was reported that Shanahan was going to pick Jones. Part of me wonders if Lynch talked him out of it.
I feel for Lance. He didn’t ask for this. Hopefully he recovers fully and reaches his potential. But it’s going to be an uphill battle.
Shanahan and Lynch have handled this poorly from Day 1. They got lucky with Garrapolo. Otherwise it would be 15 games with Sudfeld and Purdy. Or, perhaps coaxing Fitzpatrick out of retirement.
QB development is always a crap shoot. Look at Tua. Jury was out. I think he’s made sure of a favorable verdict. Also doesn’t hurt that they added pieces to the offense, including the incredible Tyreke Hill.
Finally hats off and a bow to Phogge, who certainly pegged this one.
RE: OT: 2022 Niners thread - Phogge - 09-20-2022
Thanks Lex. I guess this means that we are dating again.
RE: OT: 2022 Niners thread - gailtate - 09-21-2022
(09-19-2022, 05:19 PM)Phogge Wrote: Crimson calls it correct again. I know that Gail has run out of EUTM but as Johnny used to say you gotta have it in your stool.
Time to employ a Dick Mannini defense. On Penix first dropback hit him very hard and late. That’s how they beat Texas on the road in 1986. Texas was scared the rest of the game.
I have EUTM for blunt criticism of Shaw, as often as the EUTM inspires me. Hey, it's only thing about this flat-on-its-ass program that excites me at all.
RE: OT: 2022 Niners thread - OutsiderFan - 09-22-2022
The reactionary prisoners of the moment who can't seem to grasp that how a young player performs today is not how that player will perform tomorrow, were 100% convinced Aaron Banks was a bust simply because he didn't play in 2021 as a rookie 2nd round pick. The same types have also declared Trey Lance and Javon Kinlaw to be failures too. Kinlaw is looking very good so far this year, and now we have to wait even longer to see what Lance can do as he gains experience, but he can in no way be written off.
Many Niners fans were convinced the OL would be weak this year. Well, not so far. This video shows some really impressive work in particular by the essentially two rookie Guards, Banks and Burford.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8VCcZSGzHAU
RE: OT: 2022 Niners thread - Mick - 09-22-2022
Garoppolo is #10 in NFL passing rating.
\2022 NFL passing stats - Players | NFL.com
And just to close the defensive loop, the Niners lead the NFL in fewest yards allowed passing, are second in fewest yards allowed in rushing, and first in fewest points allowed by the defense.
RE: OT: 2022 Niners thread - lex24 - 09-22-2022
(09-22-2022, 01:42 PM)OutsiderFan Wrote: The reactionary prisoners of the moment who can't seem to grasp that how a young player performs today is not how that player will perform tomorrow, were 100% convinced Aaron Banks was a bust simply because he didn't play in 2021 as a rookie 2nd round pick. The same types have also declared Trey Lance and Javon Kinlaw to be failures too. Kinlaw is looking very good so far this year, and now we have to wait even longer to see what Lance can do as he gains experience, but he can in no way be written off.
Many Niners fans were convinced the OL would be weak this year. Well, not so far. This video shows some really impressive work in particular by the essentially two rookie Guards, Banks and Burford.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8VCcZSGzHAU
Thanks for setting those “reactionary prisoners of the moment” whomever they are, straight. Looking forward to your next pontification.
RE: OT: 2022 Niners thread - BobK - 09-22-2022
I ain’t no reactionary prisoner
I’m a prisoner of the white lines of the freeway
RE: OT: 2022 Niners thread - cardcrimson - 09-22-2022
Funny how it's too early to critique Lance and Kinlaw (who has been critical of Kinlaw, btw) two games into their second season, yet it's perfectly acceptable to anoint two basically rookie guards after just two games against crappy opponents.
Yours truly,
A Reactionary Prisoner of the Moment.
RE: OT: 2022 Niners thread - OutsiderFan - 09-22-2022
(09-22-2022, 03:16 PM)cardcrimson Wrote: Funny how it's too early to critique Lance and Kinlaw (who has been critical of Kinlaw, btw) two games into their second season, yet it's perfectly acceptable to anoint two basically rookie guards after just two games against crappy opponents.
Yours truly,
A Reactionary Prisoner of the Moment.
Performance is judged by the ability to do things. When a young player can't do them, it doesn't mean they won't be able to in the future as they gain experience, mature, and improve techniques. But when they have proven they can do them, it shows they can. Like once you ride a bike, you know how to ride one forever.
This isn't baseball. It's not like Burford and Banks are feasting on fastballs and pitchers will discover they can be neutralized with breaking balls. Burford and Banks demonstrate excellent movement and recognition skills. Maybe they aren't as good in pass protection as run blocking, but what they have put on video over the first two weeks run blocking demonstrates ability that isn't going to go away against better competition. They will only improve as they gain more experience with their line mates.
The Niners yield 2.6 YPC, the fewest in the NFL. Kinlaw is a big reason why this is the case.
RE: OT: 2022 Niners thread - Phogge - 09-23-2022
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RE: OT: 2022 Niners thread - OutsiderFan - 09-23-2022
Interesting from David Lombardi in TA today:
The 49ers’ main concerns have been rooted on the interior, where they’re fielding three new starters: left guard Aaron Banks, center Jake Brendel and right guard Spencer Burford. But that’s set up the early plot twist: Through two games, the rookie Burford and Banks are actually the 49ers’ two highest-graded offensive linemen, per Pro Football Focus.
What’s more, the two have been particularly good in pass protection — traditionally the 49ers’ weakness with run-focused fronts under coach Kyle Shanahan. Burford and Banks are both graded among the NFL’s top seven guards in pass blocking.
I don't know how much stock to put into PFF, but it is a credible source for most people, and this does track to what I have seen in games and what the video I posted highlights.