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RE: 2022 Giants thread - OutsiderFan - 05-03-2022
It only took me watching a few games the first week to tell the ball isn't traveling as far as in recent years. The Humididor in every stadium is having a definite impact. I did hear though that the expected BABIP is actually .250.
This would support two ideas:
1. Balls are being hit hard but not going as far
2. The defensive shifts and alignments are taking a lot of hits away*
* This isn't just infield shifts, it's also outfield positioning and sometimes using four outfielders.
It is only logical that starting pitchers throwing fewer innings with more relievers who throw 95+ also reduces hitting. Baseball is moving to bigger bases to encourage more running, and if the ball isn't traveling as far, that will force teams to stop emphasizing launch angle and more line drives which would lead to more hitting and guys on base.
The rule change I want is that you get a max of 4 foul balls and on the 5th yer out, while allowing bunting until then too. I don't like the idea of wearing out starting pitchers with foul balls nobody wants to see, and striking out on a foul bunt has always been dumb to me.
RE: 2022 Giants thread - DC 86 - 05-03-2022
(05-03-2022, 05:45 PM)OutsiderFan Wrote: It only took me watching a few games the first week to tell the ball isn't traveling as far as in recent years. The Humididor in every stadium is having a definite impact. I did hear though that the expected BABIP is actually .250.
This would support two ideas:
1. Balls are being hit hard but not going as far
2. The defensive shifts and alignments are taking a lot of hits away*
* This isn't just infield shifts, it's also outfield positioning and sometimes using four outfielders.
This isn't going to be the new normal. Players aren't going to suddenly start swinging differently. MLB doesn't want a game with a league-wide .368 slugging percentage. MLB has supposedly been mixing two different balls so presumably they will stick to the more lively one, and adjust the humidor settings (or humidor use itself) if necessary.
Trivia: who is the most shifted against player in MLB? (over 95% of the time). Forget four outfielders, he routinely faces 5-6 fielders on the outfield grass.
RE: 2022 Giants thread - cardcrimson - 05-03-2022
(05-03-2022, 05:45 PM)OutsiderFan Wrote: It only took me watching a few games the first week to tell the ball isn't traveling as far as in recent years. The Humididor in every stadium is having a definite impact. I did hear though that the expected BABIP is actually .250.
This would support two ideas:
1. Balls are being hit hard but not going as far
2. The defensive shifts and alignments are taking a lot of hits away*
* This isn't just infield shifts, it's also outfield positioning and sometimes using four outfielders.
It is only logical that starting pitchers throwing fewer innings with more relievers who throw 95+ also reduces hitting. Baseball is moving to bigger bases to encourage more running, and if the ball isn't traveling as far, that will force teams to stop emphasizing launch angle and more line drives which would lead to more hitting and guys on base.
The rule change I want is that you get a max of 4 foul balls and on the 5th yer out, while allowing bunting until then too. I don't like the idea of wearing out starting pitchers with foul balls nobody wants to see, and striking out on a foul bunt has always been dumb to me.
And in other conjectures, water is wet.
And why on earth would you limit foul balls? That's like putting a runner on second base in extra innings. Some of the most epic at bats are 8, 9, 10 or more pitches; great duels I thought. But alas, apparently nobody wants to see pitchers get worn out on epic at bats. Thought that was part of the game. Guess I'm mistaken, again.
RE: 2022 Giants thread - old spanish trail - 05-03-2022
(05-03-2022, 07:21 PM)DC 86 Wrote:(05-03-2022, 05:45 PM)OutsiderFan Wrote: It only took me watching a few games the first week to tell the ball isn't traveling as far as in recent years. The Humididor in every stadium is having a definite impact. I did hear though that the expected BABIP is actually .250.
This would support two ideas:
1. Balls are being hit hard but not going as far
2. The defensive shifts and alignments are taking a lot of hits away*
* This isn't just infield shifts, it's also outfield positioning and sometimes using four outfielders.
This isn't going to be the new normal. Players aren't going to suddenly start swinging differently. MLB doesn't want a game with a league-wide .368 slugging percentage. MLB has supposedly been mixing two different balls so presumably they will stick to the more lively one, and adjust the humidor settings (or humidor use itself) if necessary.
Trivia: who is the most shifted against player in MLB? (over 95% of the time). Forget four outfielders, he routinely faces 5-6 fielders on the outfield grass.
Brandon Belt?
RE: 2022 Giants thread - DC 86 - 05-03-2022
(05-03-2022, 10:45 PM)old spanish trail Wrote:(05-03-2022, 07:21 PM)DC 86 Wrote: Trivia: who is the most shifted against player in MLB? (over 95% of the time). Forget four outfielders, he routinely faces 5-6 fielders on the outfield grass.
Brandon Belt?
Very good guess, but no. Belt was shifted against 82% of the time last year.
RE: 2022 Giants thread - qwerty49 - 05-04-2022
Saw them on TV last night for the first time this year. Hard to say how good they are with that patchwork AAAA lineup. The new balls must be pretty slick. Poor Rodon totally lost one for a WP that subsequently cost him 2 runs on what proved to be the GWH. Urias let one slip too but it didn't cost him. At one point after 5 innings Giants had 3 hits and Dotchers only 1 and it was 2-0 LA.
Has Joc Pederson always looked that out of shape?
RE: 2022 Giants thread - OutsiderFan - 05-04-2022
(05-03-2022, 09:33 PM)cardcrimson Wrote:(05-03-2022, 05:45 PM)OutsiderFan Wrote: It only took me watching a few games the first week to tell the ball isn't traveling as far as in recent years. The Humididor in every stadium is having a definite impact. I did hear though that the expected BABIP is actually .250.
This would support two ideas:
1. Balls are being hit hard but not going as far
2. The defensive shifts and alignments are taking a lot of hits away*
* This isn't just infield shifts, it's also outfield positioning and sometimes using four outfielders.
It is only logical that starting pitchers throwing fewer innings with more relievers who throw 95+ also reduces hitting. Baseball is moving to bigger bases to encourage more running, and if the ball isn't traveling as far, that will force teams to stop emphasizing launch angle and more line drives which would lead to more hitting and guys on base.
The rule change I want is that you get a max of 4 foul balls and on the 5th yer out, while allowing bunting until then too. I don't like the idea of wearing out starting pitchers with foul balls nobody wants to see, and striking out on a foul bunt has always been dumb to me.
And in other conjectures, water is wet.
And why on earth would you limit foul balls? That's like putting a runner on second base in extra innings. Some of the most epic at bats are 8, 9, 10 or more pitches; great duels I thought. But alas, apparently nobody wants to see pitchers get worn out on epic at bats. Thought that was part of the game. Guess I'm mistaken, again.
Why should a foul bunt with 2 strikes be an out? Makes no sense that a foul bunt with 2 strikes is an out and swung at balls that go foul after 2 strikes is just strike 2 for infinity.
I don't like long at bats. I used to play Home Run Derby. Every ball that isn't a HR is an out, so I have zero problem with forcing batters to put balls in play if they aren't walked. I'd way rather see Starting Pitchers go longer in games than I want to see 10+ pitch at bats. I don't find them compelling. I find them boring.
RE: 2022 Giants thread - lex24 - 05-04-2022
(05-03-2022, 10:54 PM)DC 86 Wrote:(05-03-2022, 10:45 PM)old spanish trail Wrote:(05-03-2022, 07:21 PM)DC 86 Wrote: Trivia: who is the most shifted against player in MLB? (over 95% of the time). Forget four outfielders, he routinely faces 5-6 fielders on the outfield grass.
Brandon Belt?
Very good guess, but no. Belt was shifted against 82% of the time last year.
Joey Gallo
(05-03-2022, 10:45 PM)old spanish trail Wrote:(05-03-2022, 07:21 PM)DC 86 Wrote:(05-03-2022, 05:45 PM)OutsiderFan Wrote: It only took me watching a few games the first week to tell the ball isn't traveling as far as in recent years. The Humididor in every stadium is having a definite impact. I did hear though that the expected BABIP is actually .250.
This would support two ideas:
1. Balls are being hit hard but not going as far
2. The defensive shifts and alignments are taking a lot of hits away*
* This isn't just infield shifts, it's also outfield positioning and sometimes using four outfielders.
This isn't going to be the new normal. Players aren't going to suddenly start swinging differently. MLB doesn't want a game with a league-wide .368 slugging percentage. MLB has supposedly been mixing two different balls so presumably they will stick to the more lively one, and adjust the humidor settings (or humidor use itself) if necessary.
Trivia: who is the most shifted against player in MLB? (over 95% of the time). Forget four outfielders, he routinely faces 5-6 fielders on the outfield grass.
Brandon Belt?
You are right about hitters not changing swing. Not until the game changes again, the shift goes away and some value returns to making contact. At this stage it’s all about getting a ball in the air hitting for power. Nobody seems to care how many times a guy strikes out. Course maybe they care a little bit more when they strike out with the bases loaded and one out. But maybe again that’s just me. Hitting instructors beginning as early as high school I’m sure are teaching to try to drive the ball up the gaps launch angles etc. The old day of making contact protecting with two strikes trying to drive the ball back up the middle are gone.
So of course there’s been an adjustment in teaching. Hard for me to tell which came first the teaching adjustment or the metrics. I’m assuming the metrics and they adjusted to the metrics. Thus, we have the game now that is before us. One that is in my opinion quite a bit less interesting. But I’m a junkie . So, I watch it anyway
RE: 2022 Giants thread - DC 86 - 05-04-2022
(05-04-2022, 10:54 AM)OutsiderFan Wrote: Why should a foul bunt with 2 strikes be an out? Makes no sense that a foul bunt with 2 strikes is an out and swung at balls that go foul after 2 strikes is just strike 2 for infinity.
Because it's hard to intentionally hit a dozen foul balls in a row (although some old timers like Luke Appling were supposed to be able to do it, albeit at a time when pitchers didn't throw nearly as hard as now.) But many batters are able to intentionally hit a dozen (or more) foul bunts to tire out a pitcher.
(05-04-2022, 10:57 AM)lex24 Wrote: Joey Gallo
Indeed.
(05-04-2022, 10:57 AM)lex24 Wrote: Hitting instructors beginning as early as high school I’m sure are teaching to try to drive the ball up the gaps launch angles etc. The old day of making contact protecting with two strikes trying to drive the ball back up the middle are gone.
I don't know about the high school level or travel teams/showcases, but MLB teams definitely teach and emphasize a two strike approach and it's a core part of instruction throughout their minor league affiliates. Some players don't have the ability to make the adjustment but it's not because clubs don't think it's correct to make swing adjustments in certain situations.
RE: 2022 Giants thread - DC 86 - 05-04-2022
(05-04-2022, 10:57 AM)lex24 Wrote: Not until the game changes again, the shift goes away and some value returns to making contact.
The effect of banning the shift is going to be minimal, at least based on the BABIP data and when bans have been imposed experimentally.
When I started watching baseball there were numerous enormous multipurpose stadiums with astroturf surfaces. It was essential to have fast fielders, otherwise a routine ball in the gap turned into extra bases. A hard hit grounder had a very good chance of rocketing through the infield, and the outfield fences were far enough to make a pure power approach inefficient. Almost every stadium built in the last 30 years is smaller, and artificial turf is thankfully mostly a thing of the past. Parks an overlooked factor in why smallball has been supplanted by the three outcomes.
RE: 2022 Giants thread - lex24 - 05-04-2022
(05-04-2022, 11:49 AM)DC 86 Wrote:(05-04-2022, 10:57 AM)lex24 Wrote: Not until the game changes again, the shift goes away and some value returns to making contact.
The effect of banning the shift is going to be minimal, at least based on the BABIP data and when bans have been imposed experimentally.
When I started watching baseball there were numerous enormous multipurpose stadiums with astroturf surfaces. It was essential to have fast fielders, otherwise a routine ball in the gap turned into extra bases. A hard hit grounder had a very good chance of rocketing through the infield, and the outfield fences were far enough to make a pure power approach inefficient. Almost every stadium built in the last 30 years is smaller, and artificial turf is thankfully mostly a thing of the past. Parks an overlooked factor in why smallball has been supplanted by the three outcomes.
Good point on turf and parks. Be nice to find a happy medium
lex24 - lex24 - 05-05-2022
Rough patch. Tough time to be beat up.
RE: 2022 Giants thread - lex24 - 05-06-2022
Should have stuck with 80. But help is on the way. Tommy LaStella will be ready by June ‘23…..
RE: 2022 Giants thread - Phogge - 05-06-2022
Gee I guess the race is over. Pack it up.
Lex, giving up? For shame.
RE: 2022 Giants thread - lex24 - 05-06-2022
(05-06-2022, 10:45 PM)Phogge Wrote: Gee I guess the race is over. Pack it up.
Lex, giving up? For shame.
Never. I’ll watch religiously as I always do. I just don’t see this team doing much. Truly hope I’m wrong.
RE: 2022 Giants thread - qwerty49 - 05-07-2022
(05-06-2022, 11:03 PM)lex24 Wrote:(05-06-2022, 10:45 PM)Phogge Wrote: Gee I guess the race is over. Pack it up.
Lex, giving up? For shame.
Never. I’ll watch religiously as I always do. I just don’t see this team doing much. Truly hope I’m wrong.
They just need more hitting. Where are Lemaster and Lanier when we need them?!
RE: 2022 Giants thread - BobK - 05-07-2022
On Posey day hitting is back
RE: 2022 Giants thread - Phogge - 05-07-2022
Q has a Boo fixation. More losers: Don Blasingame, Rennie Stennent, Bernie Williams, Bob Hendley, Azzhole Pierskynski.
RE: 2022 Giants thread - BostonCard - 05-09-2022
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RE: 2022 Giants thread - lex24 - 05-09-2022
(05-07-2022, 11:19 PM)Phogge Wrote: Q has a Boo fixation. More losers: Don Blasingame, Rennie Stennent, Bernie Williams, Bob Hendley, Azzhole Pierskynski.
Hey, don’t forget Johnnie Lee is one of a very few to hit an inside the park HR in his first MLB AB.
Gausman. 38 IP. 46 K’s 1 BB. Not too shabby….
(05-07-2022, 11:19 PM)Phogge Wrote: Q has a Boo fixation. More losers: Don Blasingame, Rennie Stennent, Bernie Williams, Bob Hendley, Azzhole Pierskynski.
Rennie did go 7-7 once…..