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RE: Stanford - Trending Toward Misery - Papa John - 11-12-2019
Last Saturday's game was a punch to the gut, but I still believe that David Shaw will turn things around. This year is an anomaly.
RE: Stanford - Trending Toward Misery - martyup - 11-13-2019
(11-12-2019, 11:03 PM)Papa John Wrote: Last Saturday's game was a punch to the gut, but I still believe that David Shaw will turn things around. This year is an anomaly.
Okay PJ, now you are just goading the NCCA members. Don't you know that optimism is not acceptable around here? :=)
(P.S. It stands for National Couch Coaches Association.)
RE: Stanford - Trending Toward Misery - qwerty49 - 11-13-2019
(11-13-2019, 12:08 AM)martyup Wrote:(11-12-2019, 11:03 PM)Papa John Wrote: Last Saturday's game was a punch to the gut, but I still believe that David Shaw will turn things around. This year is an anomaly.
Okay PJ, now you are just goading the NCCA members. Don't you know that optimism is not acceptable around here? :=)
(P.S. It stands for National Couch Coaches Association.)
Actually, optimism is hoping we might finish 6-6 and get to the Cheez-it Bowl.
RE: Stanford - Trending Toward Misery - indiancardinal - 11-13-2019
No misery for me! People choose their own pain and pleasure. It is a game played by men and nitpicked the morning after by even older men. Hey, if it pleases you to micro analyze and always assume that you are right, so be it. There are many of us who have been unable to enjoy the good times for the fear that it may end. I fear it may have nothing much to do with Coach Shaw or the football program but more about their take on life in general.
Very few, if any of us have had the opportunity to lead, manage and guide one hundred or so 17 to 22 year olds and hold them to high performance outcomes at their part time job/ secondary pursuits. Yes, all of our guys love football and would give anything to play everyday for a living. But I am sure at least 90 % of them came to Stanford because they have priorities beyond the game of football. Don't get me wrong, I am sure all of them work incredibly hard and give everything for the team. My point is that it is an incredibly difficult process to produce consistent results from a constantly changing group of young men.
But, hey, internet message boards are meant for commenting and pontificating on things we have no control over or real insight into:) I obsessively lurk/read the Cardboard for the thoughtful exchanges between fellow Cardinal fans. However, the moment things start going south, the conversation seems to go into the same loop.
Stanford is not a football factory and never will be - although we briefly rubbed shoulders with the elite programs this past decade. We will never fill our 100 person roster with 5 stars and 4 stars and runoff those who don't develop as per their recruiting star potential. Enjoy the success of our young men and the program whenever and wherever you can... be it the Library, the Rose Bowl or the Sun Bowl. We talk about how bizarre and improbable this season has been with 25+ guys out injured. Have we stopped to consider how lucky we have been with 4 H.eisman candidates following one after the other. Yes, football is the ultimate team game but it didn't hurt to have Toby, Andrew, Christian and Bryce play in the Cardinal and White. It's been a great ride the last decade.
This season totally sucks. I always thought Shaw would not have a losing season but it is very likely this season may end up below 500. His even keeled stoic leadership always seemed to bring a wayward season back on track to a respectable 8-5. He still may - I have no clue which team shows up to play the next 3 Saturdays. I am not lowering the expectations or standards of excellence we associate with Stanford but stay grounded in the reality that the integrity of the academic mission of the University is paramount. At Stanford the student will always balance the athlete in student athlete. But we can always hope and fantasize about the perfect schedule, zero injuries, the perfect coaches, the perfect schemes, the perfect calls, perfect execution and the perfect season.
Bowl or no bowl. This season is toast (for me - I doubt the team or staff have thrown in the towel). I will root for the team to go on a miracle 3-0 run to finish the season. I will not blink if they go 0-3. My only prayer is that everyone get healthy for next season and those with eligibility decide to stay and enjoy one more year in college.
I am delusional. I am crazy. I am a fanatic. You heard it here first. Stanford will win the PAC 12 North in 2020! We play away at Notre Dame, Oregon, UCLA, Cal, Arizona and Washington. We will play half our home schedule before students show up to campus. All the usual challenges of the even years. But this will be an experienced, battle tested group eager to get the taste of the 2019 season out of their system. Shaw will have them ready.
Also I hope Mills will have off-season surgery to become "bionic" Mills ... there is always hope:)
Enjoy the last 3 games of the season:)
GO STANFORD!
RE: Stanford - Trending Toward Misery - JohnR34231 - 11-13-2019
(11-12-2019, 03:34 PM)Believer Wrote:(11-12-2019, 04:23 AM)JohnR34231 Wrote: Speaking for myself, I don't find much humor in the current situation.
Message to future coaches. When you have some success at Stanford you better get out because that success will be fleeting.
Message to recruits.Just because Stanford has been successful in the past doesn't mean it will be when you get there”.
The recruits thank you for this message Message to recruits. “Just because Stanford has been successful in the past doesn't mean it will be when you get there”. No $#// Sherlock. Same applies to every recruit everywhere. Same for your message to coaches. Thanks for the recruiting help, the future card with elite backgrounds and futures don’t give a truck what you think. Thank goodness.
And, thank you, troll, for your very erudite and well-taken comments. See you don't post much here; keep up the good work.
Thanks for setting me straight, though. Here I thought recruits read the Cardboard and took every word I said as though it were coming from the burning bush.
RE: Stanford - Trending Toward Misery - winflop - 11-13-2019
My understanding is that recruiting is organized regionally, not by position. Makes sense from a cost and time standpoint. But obviously the position coaches are responsible for their development and are likely a focal point for any on-campus visits.
RE: Stanford - Trending Toward Misery - SamuelMcF - 11-13-2019
(11-13-2019, 05:01 AM)JohnR34231 Wrote:(11-12-2019, 03:34 PM)Believer Wrote:And, thank you, troll, for your very erudite and well-taken comments. See you don't post much here; keep up the good work.(11-12-2019, 04:23 AM)JohnR34231 Wrote: Speaking for myself, I don't find much humor in the current situation.
Message to future coaches. When you have some success at Stanford you better get out because that success will be fleeting.
Message to recruits.Just because Stanford has been successful in the past doesn't mean it will be when you get there”.
The recruits thank you for this message Message to recruits. “Just because Stanford has been successful in the past doesn't mean it will be when you get there”. No $#// Sherlock. Same applies to every recruit everywhere. Same for your message to coaches. Thanks for the recruiting help, the future card with elite backgrounds and futures don’t give a truck what you think. Thank goodness.
Thanks for setting me straight, though. Here I thought recruits read the Cardboard and took every word I said as though it were coming from the burning bush.
If recruits read ANY online message boards and took them as gospel, there wouldn't be college football anymore because all the schools would seem like bad choices. That's what message board fans do, no matter what the school. Hell, Bama boards were calling for Saban's firing after they lost that fantastic game to LSU last weekend.
RE: Stanford - Trending Toward Misery - BostonCard - 11-13-2019
Yeah, I could imagine the threads on the Alabama message boards...
We are trending towards mediocrity
We haven’t won a national championship in two years
Sanan’s stubbornness cost us the game
The play calling was soooo predictable
Saban needs to find some fresh ideas
BC
RE: Stanford - Trending Toward Misery - Believer - 11-13-2019
(11-13-2019, 09:56 AM)SamuelMcF Wrote:(11-13-2019, 05:01 AM)JohnR34231 Wrote:(11-12-2019, 03:34 PM)Believer Wrote:And, thank you, troll, for your very erudite and well-taken comments. See you don't post much here; keep up the good work.(11-12-2019, 04:23 AM)JohnR34231 Wrote: Speaking for myself, I don't find much humor in the current situation.
Message to future coaches. When you have some success at Stanford you better get out because that success will be fleeting.
Message to recruits.Just because Stanford has been successful in the past doesn't mean it will be when you get there”.
The recruits thank you for this message Message to recruits. “Just because Stanford has been successful in the past doesn't mean it will be when you get there”. No $#// Sherlock. Same applies to every recruit everywhere. Same for your message to coaches. Thanks for the recruiting help, the future card with elite backgrounds and futures don’t give a truck what you think. Thank goodness.
Thanks for setting me straight, though. Here I thought recruits read the Cardboard and took every word I said as though it were coming from the burning bush.
If recruits read ANY online message boards and took them as gospel, there wouldn't be college football anymore because all the schools would seem like bad choices. That's what message board fans do, no matter what the school. Hell, Bama boards were calling for Saban's firing after they lost that fantastic game to LSU last weekend.
Recruits don’t read these boards. But parents do. And agreed that Stanford boards are tame compared to most other boards. I’ll even add that the Stanford boards are an intelligent insightful source for information, which makes them a more credible source for would be families engaged in due diligence. Personally I would still leave “future recruits” out of the conversation unless it’s positive talk. I actually want top recruits to want to come to Stanford. Just my .02. You can all say what you want.
RE: Stanford - Trending Toward Misery - Papa John - 11-13-2019
(11-13-2019, 12:27 AM)qwerty49 Wrote: Actually, optimism is hoping we might finish 6-6 and get to the Cheez-it Bowl.
Optimism for me is that Shaw and staff will adapt and solve the recruiting puzzle, future and current players will heal/stay healthy and continue to develop, and the results of the above will be evident next year as Stanford challenges for the Pac-12 North.
As for this year, I'm going to cheer my lungs out for Stanford for the next three (or four) games, just like I did when I was a student during the 1-10 1983 season.
RE: Stanford - Trending Toward Misery - murky - 11-13-2019
(11-13-2019, 11:20 AM)Papa John Wrote:(11-13-2019, 12:27 AM)qwerty49 Wrote: Actually, optimism is hoping we might finish 6-6 and get to the Cheez-it Bowl.
Optimism for me is that Shaw and staff will adapt and solve the recruiting puzzle, future and current players will heal/stay healthy and continue to develop, and the results of the above will be evident next year as Stanford challenges for the Pac-12 North.
As for this year, I'm going to cheer my lungs out for Stanford for the next three (or four) games, just like I did when I was a student during the 1-11 1983 season.
At the very least, underclassmen are getting a great deal of experience this year. For several true freshman to play credibly on the O-line, to the extent that we even consider that the QB play may be a shortcoming, bodes well for future at O-line.
RE: Stanford - Trending Toward Misery - winflop - 11-14-2019
(11-13-2019, 11:20 AM)Papa John Wrote: Optimism for me is that Shaw and staff will adapt and solve the recruiting puzzle, future and current players will heal/stay healthy and continue to develop, and the results of the above will be evident next year as Stanford challenges for the Pac-12 North.
I sincerely hope you're right, but Shaw's track record doesn't suggest that he will make sufficient changes to solve the major problems unearthed by the last two seasons.
RE: Stanford - Trending Toward Misery - JohnR34231 - 11-14-2019
(11-12-2019, 03:19 PM)Phogge Wrote: Why be sad that the program is close to tanking? Why be sad about anything except losing family and friends and sick people. Pissed off is Ok but man this is just football.
Well, if you don't care enough to be sad, why would you care enough to be pissed off?
Unless, of course, you enjoy getting pissed off.
RE: Stanford - Trending Toward Misery - Hulk01 - 11-14-2019
Re Saban: A friend of mine played for Alabama, pre Saban.
Last week, to my surprise, he said he's been pushing for Saban's ouster for a couple years.
"Time to move on," he said.
RE: Stanford - Trending Toward Misery - JohnR34231 - 11-14-2019
(11-14-2019, 05:16 AM)Hulk01 Wrote: Re Saban: A friend of mine played for Alabama, pre Saban.
Last week, to my surprise, he said he's been pushing for Saban's ouster for a couple years.
"Time to move on," he said.
More than ever in college football, you're only as good as your last game.
RE: Stanford - Trending Toward Misery - BostonCard - 11-14-2019
While we’re at it, is it time for the warriors to get rid of Kerr?[/sarcasm]
Warriors lost to the Lakers 120-94 and are 2-10.
BC
RE: Stanford - Trending Toward Misery - Phogge - 11-14-2019
Hey John, being pissed off at times can be a high. Keeps the blood flowing.
RE: Stanford - Trending Toward Misery - cardcrimson - 11-14-2019
(11-14-2019, 07:23 AM)BostonCard Wrote: While we’re at it, is it time for the warriors to get rid of Kerr?[/sarcasm]
Warriors lost to the Lakers 120-94 and are 2-10.
BC
No, but as noted earlier, he needs to stop using Stanford's medical and strength & conditioning staffs.
RE: Stanford - Trending Toward Misery - gailtate - 11-14-2019
(11-13-2019, 02:51 AM)indiancardinal Wrote: No misery for me! People choose their own pain and pleasure. It is a game played by men and nitpicked the morning after by even older men. Hey, if it pleases you to micro analyze and always assume that you are right, so be it. There are many of us who have been unable to enjoy the good times for the fear that it may end. I fear it may have nothing much to do with Coach Shaw or the football program but more about their take on life in general.
Very few, if any of us have had the opportunity to lead, manage and guide one hundred or so 17 to 22 year olds and hold them to high performance outcomes at their part time job/ secondary pursuits. Yes, all of our guys love football and would give anything to play everyday for a living. But I am sure at least 90 % of them came to Stanford because they have priorities beyond the game of football. Don't get me wrong, I am sure all of them work incredibly hard and give everything for the team. My point is that it is an incredibly difficult process to produce consistent results from a constantly changing group of young men.
But, hey, internet message boards are meant for commenting and pontificating on things we have no control over or real insight into:) I obsessively lurk/read the Cardboard for the thoughtful exchanges between fellow Cardinal fans. However, the moment things start going south, the conversation seems to go into the same loop.
Stanford is not a football factory and never will be - although we briefly rubbed shoulders with the elite programs this past decade. We will never fill our 100 person roster with 5 stars and 4 stars and runoff those who don't develop as per their recruiting star potential. Enjoy the success of our young men and the program whenever and wherever you can... be it the Library, the Rose Bowl or the Sun Bowl. We talk about how bizarre and improbable this season has been with 25+ guys out injured. Have we stopped to consider how lucky we have been with 4 H.eisman candidates following one after the other. Yes, football is the ultimate team game but it didn't hurt to have Toby, Andrew, Christian and Bryce play in the Cardinal and White. It's been a great ride the last decade.
This season totally sucks. I always thought Shaw would not have a losing season but it is very likely this season may end up below 500. His even keeled stoic leadership always seemed to bring a wayward season back on track to a respectable 8-5. He still may - I have no clue which team shows up to play the next 3 Saturdays. I am not lowering the expectations or standards of excellence we associate with Stanford but stay grounded in the reality that the integrity of the academic mission of the University is paramount. At Stanford the student will always balance the athlete in student athlete. But we can always hope and fantasize about the perfect schedule, zero injuries, the perfect coaches, the perfect schemes, the perfect calls, perfect execution and the perfect season.
Bowl or no bowl. This season is toast (for me - I doubt the team or staff have thrown in the towel). I will root for the team to go on a miracle 3-0 run to finish the season. I will not blink if they go 0-3. My only prayer is that everyone get healthy for next season and those with eligibility decide to stay and enjoy one more year in college.
I am delusional. I am crazy. I am a fanatic. You heard it here first. Stanford will win the PAC 12 North in 2020! We play away at Notre Dame, Oregon, UCLA, Cal, Arizona and Washington. We will play half our home schedule before students show up to campus. All the usual challenges of the even years. But this will be an experienced, battle tested group eager to get the taste of the 2019 season out of their system. Shaw will have them ready.
Also I hope Mills will have off-season surgery to become "bionic" Mills ... there is always hope:)
Enjoy the last 3 games of the season:)
GO STANFORD!
Shaw demonstrated in 2011-'15 that he can win at a championship level IF he has the athletes, premiere assistants and a top-notch S&C guru. Not so if any of those assets decline. A slump in all three at once and we get what we're looking at today. Keep an eye on what he does this off-season. If the status quo off the field remains, we'll see the same result on the field. This isn't cynicism, it's realism.
RE: Stanford - Trending Toward Misery - helix - 11-14-2019
(11-14-2019, 08:27 AM)cardcrimson Wrote:(11-14-2019, 07:23 AM)BostonCard Wrote: While we’re at it, is it time for the warriors to get rid of Kerr?[/sarcasm]
Warriors lost to the Lakers 120-94 and are 2-10.
BC
No, but as noted earlier, he needs to stop using Stanford's medical and strength & conditioning staffs.
They have, as of this 5/28: https://www.nba.com/warriors/news/warriors-kaiser-permanente-thrive-city-20190528