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RE: UW shows it cares - 82lsju - 11-08-2021
and then there is Florida, they must really care as they fired their DC and OL coach
https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/32580053/defensive-coordinator-todd-grantham-offensive-line-coach-john-hevesy-florida-sources-say
RE: UW shows it cares - martyup - 11-08-2021
(11-08-2021, 09:32 AM)gailtate Wrote: And the "victim", in full pads, was a head taller than the righteously (and rightfully) exasperated "perpetrator" trying to bring something forcefully to said victim's knuckle-headed attention. We have slowly and steadily become a culture of preening, posturing snowflakes, Karens and Brandons. But, I say to myself, what a wonderful world...
What I see is a coach that gives a schitt and doesn't tolerate this sort of selfish BS from his players. That is the kind of coach that players will follow. This is very different from Brian Kelly dressing down his QB in a purple faced tirade for missing a pass, or throwing his team under the bus in his post game interview after they gutted out an overtime win.
RE: UW shows it cares - BobK - 11-08-2021
I guess the adults at Washington care
https://twitter.com/bonaguraespn/status/1457780578103689218?s=21
RE: UW shows it cares - martyup - 11-08-2021
(11-08-2021, 11:51 AM)BobK Wrote: I guess the adults at Washington care
https://twitter.com/bonaguraespn/status/1457780578103689218?s=21
Suspend the coach? What a bunch of whiny milk toast weak-azz bullschitt. That player should apologize to his team and his coach. As a matter of fact, his own players should beat his azz for being a selfish fool.
RE: UW shows it cares - teejers1 - 11-08-2021
(11-08-2021, 11:51 AM)BobK Wrote: I guess the adults at Washington care
https://twitter.com/bonaguraespn/status/1457780578103689218?s=21
I guess in the "misery loves company" rubric, the goings-on at UW might interest someone. But there are so many more problems closer to home that deserve commentary, imo. Hate to be so cynical, but if UW had beaten Oregon, do you think Lake gets suspended?
And really, WGAD about the goings-on at UW? And we want Lake there as long as possible, don't we?
RE: UW shows it cares - martyup - 11-08-2021
(11-08-2021, 12:17 PM)teejers1 Wrote: And really, WGAD about the goings-on at UW? And we want Lake there as long as possible, don't we?
It's about the bigger picture of the sissifying of football. Football used to be a tough sport.
![[Image: ?u=https%3A%2F%2Fpbs.twimg.com%2Fprofile...f=1&nofb=1]](https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fpbs.twimg.com%2Fprofile_images%2F1196268688%2FButkus_Snarl.jpg&f=1&nofb=1)
WARNING: Viewer discretion is advised. The following video depicts how football was once played and contains graphic violence that some viewers may find disturbing.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YWqVij6tLz8
RE: UW shows it cares - JohnR34231 - 11-08-2021
(11-08-2021, 09:43 AM)Jamesy Wrote:(11-08-2021, 09:00 AM)JohnR34231 Wrote:(11-08-2021, 08:42 AM)Spiny_Norman Wrote: Oregon State, this week's opponent, fired its defensive coordinator over the weekend.
https://www.oregonlive.com/beavers/2021/11/oregon-state-fires-defensive-coordinator-tim-tibesar-inside-linebackers-coach-trent-bray-takes-as-interim.html
Looks like it is going to be another the resistible force (our offense) against the moveable object (the OSU defense) game.
We better find a way to put some serious points on the board because I highly doubt our defense is going to be able to stop their offense.
That's what I thought when our #12 ranked rushing offense faced the #11 ranked rushing defense (UW). We all know how that turned out for our rushing offense.
Well, the moveable object won. It may again.
RE: UW shows it cares - BostonCard - 11-09-2021
Nebraska must really care, as it fired it’s offensive coordinator, offensive line coach, running backs coach, and QB coach, and restructured Scott Frost’s contract. I imagine some people here wish Shaw would say the following:
Quote:"I appreciate the work and sacrifices these men have made for the University of Nebraska and this football program and wish all of them well," Frost said in a statement. "They are all men of outstanding character and good coaches, but as we strive for better consistency and execution, we needed fresh ideas and voices on our offensive staff."
Though LOL about the bit on “execution”. Of course, the proof will be in the pudding. Does firing four offensive coaches actually fix the offense? Will Frost get Tramac’d next season? Will Ashley find love with Julio (ok, I made that one up, but if you google “Scott Frost Wife”, you turn up some, shall we say, interesting clickbait. Stay tuned for an all new season of “Nebraska Football”.
BC
(11-08-2021, 12:10 PM)martyup Wrote:(11-08-2021, 11:51 AM)BobK Wrote: I guess the adults at Washington care
https://twitter.com/bonaguraespn/status/1457780578103689218?s=21
Suspend the coach? What a bunch of whiny milk toast weak-azz bullschitt. That player should apologize to his team and his coach. As a matter of fact, his own players should beat his azz for being a selfish fool.
Let me get this straight… a player losing his cool and getting into it with an opposing player after the whistle = bad. Coach losing his cool and getting into it with one of his own players = fine, because reasons. Way to set an example there, coach, for how to respond to stressful situations. You guys don’t think that how a coach (or parent, or other person of authority) behaves might not impact how players behave? You don’t think players don’t see what their coaches do and learn from it?
BC
RE: UW shows it cares - teejers1 - 11-10-2021
(11-09-2021, 09:39 PM)BostonCard Wrote: Nebraska must really care, as it fired it’s offensive coordinator, offensive line coach, running backs coach, and QB coach, and restructured Scott Frost’s contract. I imagine some people here wish Shaw would say the following:
Quote:"I appreciate the work and sacrifices these men have made for the University of Nebraska and this football program and wish all of them well," Frost said in a statement. "They are all men of outstanding character and good coaches, but as we strive for better consistency and execution, we needed fresh ideas and voices on our offensive staff."
Though LOL about the bit on “execution”. Of course, the proof will be in the pudding. Does firing four offensive coaches actually fix the offense? Will Frost get Tramac’d next season? Will Ashley find love with Julio (ok, I made that one up, but if you google “Scott Frost Wife”, you turn up some, shall we say, interesting clickbait. Stay tuned for an all new season of “Nebraska Football”.
BC
(11-08-2021, 12:10 PM)martyup Wrote:(11-08-2021, 11:51 AM)BobK Wrote: I guess the adults at Washington care
https://twitter.com/bonaguraespn/status/1457780578103689218?s=21
Suspend the coach? What a bunch of whiny milk toast weak-azz bullschitt. That player should apologize to his team and his coach. As a matter of fact, his own players should beat his azz for being a selfish fool.
Let me get this straight… a player losing his cool and getting into it with an opposing player after the whistle = bad. Coach losing his cool and getting into it with one of his own players = fine, because reasons. Way to set an example there, coach, for how to respond to stressful situations. You guys don’t think that how a coach (or parent, or other person of authority) behaves might not impact how players behave? You don’t think players don’t see what their coaches do and learn from it?
BC
If a player did that to another player, 15 yard penalty (no suspension). Not the end of the world. The judgment dripping from your posts makes me think you give no quarter for heat-of-the-moment actions in a physical and violent game where emotions run high. No one is saying what the coach did is "good" or "fine" or "model behavior," . . . just that it's not the Apocalypse and not worthy of a 1-game suspension.
RE: UW shows it cares - BostonCard - 11-10-2021
Evidently you forgot about Big Game in 2010 when Jamal Rashad Patterson was ejected before Big Game for fighting, so thanks for making my point for me.
https://www.mercurynews.com/2010/11/22/stanford-routs-cal-in-big-game/
While the penalty is often called as a 15-yard unsportsmanlike conduct during the game, the actual penalty for throwing a punch is ejection for the rest of the game (and the first half of the next game if it happened in the second half), so suspending Lake for a game seems appropriate.
BC
RE: UW shows it cares - martyup - 11-10-2021
Before you get too worked up, watch the video again. This was not a fight and there were no punches thrown. The coach used his clipboard to block the player's face and push him back away from the opposing player. He was trying to avoid another penalty and he was successful in that endeavor. In essence, he was breaking up a fight, not creating one.
RE: UW shows it cares - Goose - 11-10-2021
(11-10-2021, 08:20 AM)martyup Wrote: Before you get too worked up, watch the video again. This was not a fight and there were no punches thrown. The coach used his clipboard to block the player's face and push him back away from the opposing player. He was trying to avoid another penalty and he was successful in that endeavor. In essence, he was breaking up a fight, not creating one.I agree that Lake was breaking up a confrontation initially. Unfortunately it was the subsequent push in the back that has caused the trouble here. That gesture wasn't necessary to break up the confrontation, and was undoubtedly due to Lake's frustration that his team was playing poorly and not behaving as they should.
While it may be possible to argue that the players involved in a physical game may lose their cool, you can't say that about the coaches. They are supposed to be above the fray making brilliant play calls to overcome the fact the OL can't block and the DL gets pushed back 5 yards on every play. Lake lost his cool. He can't do that. Given his situation, was it understandable? Sure it was. Given what has gone on in the past with coaches, this would have been considered a non-event. Is that OK? No, it isn't. The standard is higher. I actually think Lake would agree.
RE: UW shows it cares - teejers1 - 11-10-2021
(11-10-2021, 08:13 AM)BostonCard Wrote: Evidently you forgot about Big Game in 2010 when Jamal Rashad Patterson was ejected before Big Game for fighting, so thanks for making my point for me.
https://www.mercurynews.com/2010/11/22/stanford-routs-cal-in-big-game/
While the penalty is often called as a 15-yard unsportsmanlike conduct during the game, the actual penalty for throwing a punch is ejection for the rest of the game (and the first half of the next game if it happened in the second half), so suspending Lake for a game seems appropriate.
BC
If the coach had actually thrown a punch, you might have a point. But he didn't.
RE: UW shows it cares - martyup - 11-10-2021
(11-10-2021, 09:02 AM)Goose Wrote:(11-10-2021, 08:20 AM)martyup Wrote: Before you get too worked up, watch the video again. This was not a fight and there were no punches thrown. The coach used his clipboard to block the player's face and push him back away from the opposing player. He was trying to avoid another penalty and he was successful in that endeavor. In essence, he was breaking up a fight, not creating one.I agree that Lake was breaking up a confrontation initially. Unfortunately it was the subsequent push in the back that has caused the trouble here. That gesture wasn't necessary to break up the confrontation, and was undoubtedly due to Lake's frustration that his team was playing poorly and not behaving as they should.
While it may be possible to argue that the players involved in a physical game may lose their cool, you can't say that about the coaches. They are supposed to be above the fray making brilliant play calls to overcome the fact the OL can't block and the DL gets pushed back 5 yards on every play. Lake lost his cool. He can't do that. Given his situation, was it understandable? Sure it was. Given what has gone on in the past with coaches, this would have been considered a non-event. Is that OK? No, it isn't. The standard is higher. I actually think Lake would agree.
Sorry, I have to disagree. The push in the back was necessary to get the player away from the confrontation. How many times have we seen full blown brawls on the football field and coaches forcefully pulling players away from the action? I have never heard a coach be criticized for yanking a player away from a brawl.
RE: UW shows it cares - Goose - 11-10-2021
(11-10-2021, 12:06 PM)martyup Wrote: Sorry, I have to disagree. The push in the back was necessary to get the player away from the confrontation. How many times have we seen full blown brawls on the football field and coaches forcefully pulling players away from the action? I have never heard a coach be criticized for yanking a player away from a brawl.The player had turned his back and was walking away when Lake pushed him in the back. Lake was between the player and the place where the confrontation happened. Even if the player suddenly got mad and turned back toward the confrontation (which was already pretty much over), he would have needed to run over Lake to do so. The push in the back wasn't called for. In reality, it also wasn't much of a push. If it hadn't been on TV it would have gone unnoticed.
Lake had every right, perhaps a duty, to get his player away from the confrontation. FWIW, so did his teammates standing there and watching. However, once the player was walking away, Lake can't add any physical emphasis. Many of us have seen or received such a shove from a coach that was mad. In today's world, you can't do that. I have somewhat mixed feelings about that fact. I think coaches who beat on players are cowards, relying on their position of power to prevent retaliation. Lake wasn't doing that. He was undoubtedly "counseling" the player and the push was for emphasis. However, resorting to a physical push indicates a loss pf control, which in a head coach today is not acceptable.
RE: UW shows it cares - jacket3ree - 11-10-2021
Call me cynical, but how much of this is UW building a "for cause" case, one incident at a time in case they'd rather spend buyout money elsewhere?
I never played football for a coach (that wasn't a fraternity brother), but would probably play better for someone who kept it together than someone who didn't. That's just me.
Leaving aside Marty's use of "sissy" to decry football these days, I watched parts of that video and found it interesting. A lot of violent hitting and maybe there were some forearm shivers and head slaps (once legal), but by my first glance, few targeting calls would have been made if those games were played last weekend. Not too many people leading with their heads that I saw. Violent form tackling all over the place.
When I was a kid, "sissy" and derivatives of that derogatory term (the "p" word and "f" word or "wussy" to rhyme with the "p" word) were about the worst things you could call a boy. It was a general playground taunt. We played a lot of "smear the queer" in front of good old Prospect Valley Elementary. I don't know how to describe it. It was a cross between tag and outdoor MMA without the octagon. A football was involved, or lacking that, something as simple as a towel or stick, or "hey dickhead, you're it". Whoever had the object ran through everyone one else rugby style, but no passes. If you made it through to the other side, you got to throw the object next time. Repeat until the bell rings and we have to foist a bunch of sweating, stinking, muddy, bloody boys on some hapless fourth grade teacher. If you were fast and could run away from the group, you were labeled a sissy who wouldn't stand his ground and take the beating. Most of us were far more afraid of being called a sissy than having our heads kicked in by 20 guys. We were idiots.
"Sissy" is a derivative of sister. Well, sisters are pretty tough. I don't recall any brothers giving birth, for example.
Don't worry Marty, I took no real offense - the term just jogged some repressed memories of fun beatings I took back when. Only lost a tooth once. Well, if I don't count losing my two front teeth to a playground dolphin.
RE: UW shows it cares - Phogge - 11-10-2021
The toughest guys in my time were the ones who never threatened, never preened and who struck so quickly that you often missed the action. It only had to happen once and the legend would spread. You absolutely didn’t f*** with those guys.
pasportsfan - PAsportsfan - 11-14-2021
Lake fired.
https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/32631956/washington-fires-football-coach-jimmy-lake-second-season
RE: pasportsfan - needle - 11-14-2021
(11-14-2021, 05:08 PM)PAsportsfan Wrote: Lake fired.
https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/32631956/washington-fires-football-coach-jimmy-lake-second-season
He was the worst Pac football coach in a long, loong time.
RE: UW shows it cares - BostonCard - 11-14-2021
(11-10-2021, 01:49 PM)jacket3ree Wrote: Call me cynical, but how much of this is UW building a "for cause" case, one incident at a time in case they'd rather spend buyout money elsewhere?
Nope, they are honoring the terms of his contract, even though there are allegations that what happened on the sideline against Oregon is not the first time Lake got physical with a player.
Quote: “Lake comes in on just a complete rampage pretty much, picks up Quinten Pounds and throws him into a locker,” one eyewitness said. “Those lockers there were wooden lockers, and it was violent. It really caught everyone by surprise. It was really unprompted. He just kind of did that and then went on a tangent about how the offense needs to start playing better.”
https://www.seattletimes.com/sports/uw-husky-football/suspended-uw-football-coach-jimmy-lake-faces-allegations-he-shoved-player-in-2019/
But I’m sure it was to prevent Pounds from running out of the locker room and picking up a boneheaded penalty. The thing about people like Lake is that it is rarely just once.
BC