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RE: WBB: Stanford @ Texas Sunday 10am - crackpot - 12-22-2019
(12-22-2019, 02:28 PM)CompSci87 Wrote:(12-22-2019, 01:00 PM)81alum Wrote: Argh. A sad way to end it, unable to inbound the ball.Joyner Holmes had some creative defense on that play. She fell down in front of Jump, blocking her progress, then hopped up and stole the inbound pass. Would have been a blocking or tripping foul if Jump hadn't quickly held up to avoid the contact with Holmes not in a legal guarding position.
Just a quibble, of course. Nice win by Texas. Hopefully we can learn a lot from watching the film.
At least there's a lot to learn! First of which is starting off strong so as not to give 'em a 7-0 lead. UT's confidence carried them through this game when fatigue should've kicked in. If you told me we'd have a one-point lead going into the 4th, I'd have bet a good amount of money on a win.
RE: WBB: Stanford @ Texas Sunday 10am - jonnyss - 12-22-2019
(12-22-2019, 02:28 PM)CompSci87 Wrote:joyner holmes was creative earlier as well. flopped down (untouched) in excruciating pain, stopping the flow of the strong stanford comeback at +1; then returned 5 minutes later in no distress at all, not even taped.(12-22-2019, 01:00 PM)81alum Wrote: Argh. A sad way to end it, unable to inbound the ball.Joyner Holmes had some creative defense on that play. She fell down in front of Jump, blocking her progress, then hopped up and stole the inbound pass. Would have been a blocking or tripping foul if Jump hadn't quickly held up to avoid the contact with Holmes not in a legal guarding position.
Just a quibble, of course. Nice win by Texas. Hopefully we can learn a lot from watching the film.
texas a&m did the same thing to us in that unfortunate NCAA national semi-final.
RE: WBB: Stanford @ Texas Sunday 10am - 81alum - 12-22-2019
(12-22-2019, 03:44 PM)jonnyss Wrote: joyner holmes was creative earlier as well. flopped down (untouched) in excruciating pain, stopping the flow of the strong stanford comeback at +1; then returned 5 minutes later in no distress at all, not even taped.
texas a&m did the same thing to us in that unfortunate NCAA national semi-final.
She was not untouched--but it should have been a charging call on Holmes--not a blocking call on Fingall. That did change the momentum of the game.
You can see it on ESPN replay now, 4th quarter, just before 9:29.
Fingall was set up outside the restricted area, both feet planted, before Holmes began her move. Holmes runs baseline at her and bangs her left leg into Fingall's left leg before falling. She twisted midair and fell on her back, landing with an audible thud. I thought the injury must have been from the landing, but it could not have been. If she really did hurt her left ankle, it was because she essentially kicked it into Nadia on her way up. As she was carried off the floor she put no weight on that left leg.
It sure looks to me as if Nadia did everything right. If Holmes had crashed into her head-on instead of a glancing blow then I think the charge would have been really obvious.
I'm glad Holmes was not hurt. I am especially glad that Nadia was not reinjured from Holmes's out-of-control play.
RE: WBB: Stanford @ Texas Sunday 10am - jonnyss - 12-22-2019
(12-22-2019, 04:20 PM)81alum Wrote:(12-22-2019, 03:44 PM)jonnyss Wrote: joyner holmes was creative earlier as well. flopped down (untouched) in excruciating pain, stopping the flow of the strong stanford comeback at +1; then returned 5 minutes later in no distress at all, not even taped.
texas a&m did the same thing to us in that unfortunate NCAA national semi-final.
She was not untouched--but it should have been a charging call on Holmes--not a blocking call on Fingall. That did change the momentum of the game.
You can see it on ESPN replay now, 4th quarter, just before 9:29.
Fingall was set up outside the restricted area, both feet planted, before Holmes began her move. Holmes runs baseline at her and bangs her left leg into Fingall's left leg before falling. She twisted midair and fell on her back, landing with an audible thud. I thought the injury must have been from the landing, but it could not have been. If she really did hurt her left ankle, it was because she essentially kicked it into Nadia on her way up. As she was carried off the floor she put no weight on that left leg.
It sure looks to me as if Nadia did everything right. If Holmes had crashed into her head-on instead of a glancing blow then I think the charge would have been really obvious.
I'm glad Holmes was not hurt. I am especially glad that Nadia was not reinjured from Holmes's out-of-control play.
i agree with you. i meant to imply nobody touched (pushed, tripped, slapped) her (not that she ran into nobody and not that she didn't land on the floor).
do you remember the same strategy from texas a&m? i do. when holmes went down, i said to my wife, "she'll be back in 5 minutes." fingall was limping late in the game. holmes was not limping, not taped.
not that i want her to be hurt. i just am skeptical of flopping and screaming to pull the refs and crowd on your side.
kiana was crushed by a texas player going for a loose ball, landed on her elbow, and did not scream to (imo) play the refs and crowd, or even complain about the lack of a foul call.
RE: WBB: Texas 69 Stanford 64 - TheFarm07 - 12-23-2019
(12-22-2019, 01:39 PM)81alum Wrote: Write up at the top.
Yes, the end of the game was bad--two really bad decisions. But long before that:
1) We shot very poorly.
2) We gave up 19 Oboards. That is poor boxing out.
3) Texas figured out how to disrupt our offense. It looked disjointed and we hoisted up contested treys.
As I pointed out in the Tennessee win, even as dominating as it was, there were still issues that left me unsatisfied with that victory, such as the 19 offensive rebounds we gave up in that game as well and the hiccups in offense. I was happy that we won, but also concerned about what we needed to work on. I don't think a victory like the one we had against Tennessee should cover up or minimize the weaknesses we had that would bite us in the future, which it did in the Texas loss today. I remembered one possession early on where Texas snatched four offensive rebounds in a row and I was literally yelling at my screen. We cannot simply continue to allow so many second-, third and even fourth chances to our opponents to score. (I took a quick look on our games this year and in only two of our games did we not give up double digit offensive rebounds to the other team - Buffalo had 21 offensive rebounds and Syracuse had 18 as notable games where we gave up a ton of o-boards and even though we eventually won both games by double digits, that kept both games pretty competitive until the fourth quarter)
Despite all that, it was our offense that ultimately failed us. Our defense kept us in the game for most of it until the fourth, but we couldn't hit anything, even layups, it seems like. Everything seemed off and it looked like we found the FT line to keep us in the game; I would have liked us to get something going in the first half.
Even though it was in Austin and Texas has talent, the Longhorns has losses to 7-6 South Florida and 6-6 Hawaii and they got destroyed by Arizona at home (McDonald had 44 points in that game and single-handedly outscored Texas in the first half). Arizona is a good and much improved team, but you would think that if Arizona can come into Austin and dominate Texas, we could at least beat them as well. McDonald is an incredible player, but would you take the rest of the Wildcats' roster over ours? This is one of the unfortunate head-scratching losses we've had over the last few years (Western Illinois in 2017, Santa Clara in 2015, Arizona in 2015) that left you wondering how we played so poorly.
RE: WBB: Texas 69 Stanford 64 - 81alum - 12-23-2019
(12-23-2019, 03:59 AM)TheFarm07 Wrote:Our inability to box out and reduce the opponent's O-boards is indeed a weakness and contributed mightily to our loss. It seems our freshmen are having a hard time learning how to box out at the college level. The loss of Carrington hurts most--she was the best rebounder on the team, but we have not replaced the rebounding of Smith or Dodson either. Lexie had as many rebounds as the rest of the starters put together.(12-22-2019, 01:39 PM)81alum Wrote: Write up at the top.
Yes, the end of the game was bad--two really bad decisions. But long before that:
1) We shot very poorly.
2) We gave up 19 Oboards. That is poor boxing out.
3) Texas figured out how to disrupt our offense. It looked disjointed and we hoisted up contested treys.
As I pointed out in the Tennessee win, even as dominating as it was, there were still issues that left me unsatisfied with that victory, such as the 19 offensive rebounds we gave up in that game as well and the hiccups in offense. I was happy that we won, but also concerned about what we needed to work on. I don't think a victory like the one we had against Tennessee should cover up or minimize the weaknesses we had that would bite us in the future, which it did in the Texas loss today. I remembered one possession early on where Texas snatched four offensive rebounds in a row and I was literally yelling at my screen. We cannot simply continue to allow so many second-, third and even fourth chances to our opponents to score. (I took a quick look on our games this year and in only two of our games did we not give up double digit offensive rebounds to the other team - Buffalo had 21 offensive rebounds and Syracuse had 18 as notable games where we gave up a ton of o-boards and even though we eventually won both games by double digits, that kept both games pretty competitive until the fourth quarter)
Despite all that, it was our offense that ultimately failed us. Our defense kept us in the game for most of it until the fourth, but we couldn't hit anything, even layups, it seems like. Everything seemed off and it looked like we found the FT line to keep us in the game; I would have liked us to get something going in the first half.
Even though it was in Austin and Texas has talent, the Longhorns has losses to 7-6 South Florida and 6-6 Hawaii and they got destroyed by Arizona at home (McDonald had 44 points in that game and single-handedly outscored Texas in the first half). Arizona is a good and much improved team, but you would think that if Arizona can come into Austin and dominate Texas, we could at least beat them as well. McDonald is an incredible player, but would you take the rest of the Wildcats' roster over ours? This is one of the unfortunate head-scratching losses we've had over the last few years (Western Illinois in 2017, Santa Clara in 2015, Arizona in 2015) that left you wondering how we played so poorly.
Despite our inability to shut down our opponent's o-boards, Texas had fewer second chance points (15) than we did (16). Another point worth mentioning is that after we had a dreadful first quarter with a scad of turnovers, we kept the turnovers down to 11 for the game--a respectable number and a point of emphasis in recent practices.
As I mull this loss over, I think I am most concerned, as you are, about the offense. We did get 14 fast break points--as did Texas--but it is the Princeton in the half court that Texas figured out how to defend so well. I don't think we are going to win many games with only 10 assists--and our point guard making just 1 of them. That was the point of praise that Andy Landers made--how well Texas was prepared for our offense.
So a worry is that Karen Aston has put a blueprint out there for how to stop the Stanford offense. Every Pac 12 coach is going to be studying this game, so we need to fix the problem fast.
RE: WBB: Texas 69 Stanford 64 - TheFarm07 - 12-23-2019
(12-23-2019, 06:53 AM)81alum Wrote:(12-23-2019, 03:59 AM)TheFarm07 Wrote:Our inability to box out and reduce the opponent's O-boards is indeed a weakness and contributed mightily to our loss. It seems our freshmen are having a hard time learning how to box out at the college level. The loss of Carrington hurts most--she was the best rebounder on the team, but we have not replaced the rebounding of Smith or Dodson either. Lexie had as many rebounds as the rest of the starters put together.(12-22-2019, 01:39 PM)81alum Wrote: Write up at the top.
Yes, the end of the game was bad--two really bad decisions. But long before that:
1) We shot very poorly.
2) We gave up 19 Oboards. That is poor boxing out.
3) Texas figured out how to disrupt our offense. It looked disjointed and we hoisted up contested treys.
As I pointed out in the Tennessee win, even as dominating as it was, there were still issues that left me unsatisfied with that victory, such as the 19 offensive rebounds we gave up in that game as well and the hiccups in offense. I was happy that we won, but also concerned about what we needed to work on. I don't think a victory like the one we had against Tennessee should cover up or minimize the weaknesses we had that would bite us in the future, which it did in the Texas loss today. I remembered one possession early on where Texas snatched four offensive rebounds in a row and I was literally yelling at my screen. We cannot simply continue to allow so many second-, third and even fourth chances to our opponents to score. (I took a quick look on our games this year and in only two of our games did we not give up double digit offensive rebounds to the other team - Buffalo had 21 offensive rebounds and Syracuse had 18 as notable games where we gave up a ton of o-boards and even though we eventually won both games by double digits, that kept both games pretty competitive until the fourth quarter)
Despite all that, it was our offense that ultimately failed us. Our defense kept us in the game for most of it until the fourth, but we couldn't hit anything, even layups, it seems like. Everything seemed off and it looked like we found the FT line to keep us in the game; I would have liked us to get something going in the first half.
Even though it was in Austin and Texas has talent, the Longhorns has losses to 7-6 South Florida and 6-6 Hawaii and they got destroyed by Arizona at home (McDonald had 44 points in that game and single-handedly outscored Texas in the first half). Arizona is a good and much improved team, but you would think that if Arizona can come into Austin and dominate Texas, we could at least beat them as well. McDonald is an incredible player, but would you take the rest of the Wildcats' roster over ours? This is one of the unfortunate head-scratching losses we've had over the last few years (Western Illinois in 2017, Santa Clara in 2015, Arizona in 2015) that left you wondering how we played so poorly.
Despite our inability to shut down our opponent's o-boards, Texas had fewer second chance points (15) than we did (16). Another point worth mentioning is that after we had a dreadful first quarter with a scad of turnovers, we kept the turnovers down to 11 for the game--a respectable number and a point of emphasis in recent practices.
As I mull this loss over, I think I am most concerned, as you are, about the offense. We did get 14 fast break points--as did Texas--but it is the Princeton in the half court that Texas figured out how to defend so well. I don't think we are going to win many games with only 10 assists--and our point guard making just 1 of them. That was the point of praise that Andy Landers made--how well Texas was prepared for our offense.
So a worry is that Karen Aston has put a blueprint out there for how to stop the Stanford offense. Every Pac 12 coach is going to be studying this game, so we need to fix the problem fast.
You hope as a HoF coach, Tara is prepared with solutions to negate opposing coaches' countermeasures for our offense. Hopefully she has something already in her playbook or in the back of the mind to introduce during pratices, but you are right, Carrington's absence might be most felt on rebounding, though she is just one player who can't be everywhere. It seemed the Texas players were in the right spot to grab the missed shot as the ball seemed to richochet off the basket into the precise spot where a Longhorn was.
RE: WBB: Texas 69 Stanford 64 - martyup - 12-23-2019
Never expected this young team to go undefeated. Losses build character and teach lessons. WVB took loses and finished strong. Be patient, this team is special. Trust Tara. All is good. Merry Christmas.
RE: WBB: Texas 69 Stanford 64 - biketoc - 12-23-2019
(12-23-2019, 09:52 AM)martyup Wrote: Never expected this young team to go undefeated. Losses build character and teach lessons. WVB took loses and finished strong. Be patient, this team is special. Trust Tara. All is good. Merry Christmas.
I'm with you. It was tough watching the game yesterday as so many shots were missed, but the talent is obviously there. How many of you thought at half time we still had a chance to come back and win? We all did.
Texas seemed hungrier than we did in the first half and their defense was really good throughout the game. Especially this early in the season you can't say we should beat so and so because they lost to so and so. There are so many factors at play and teams are still figuring out who they are.
RE: WBB: Texas 69 Stanford 64 - qwerty49 - 12-23-2019
I think this game underscored how much we miss Dodson and Carrington in the paint. Lexie really stepped up but ultimately our bigs need to be tougher inside. Their bigs were just way too athletic for us yesterday.
RE: WBB: Texas 69 Stanford 64 - stopandpop - 12-25-2019
(12-23-2019, 12:08 PM)qwerty49 Wrote: I think this game underscored how much we miss Dodson and Carrington in the paint. Lexie really stepped up but ultimately our bigs need to be tougher inside. Their bigs were just way too athletic for us yesterday.Many good points regarding the loss to Texas. One thing I will add is we are a very streaky 3-point shooting team and at this road game, we were relying heavily on the 3-ball, even when the shots kept missing. Andy Landers said he was surprised we weren't running more plays to get better shots. Yes, Texas seemed prepared for our Princeton offense, but I hope when we go on the road during Conference, we run a more balanced offense because (with the exception of H. Jump), we are not a very good 3-point shooting team. You need to consciously be more aggressive on the road and the 3-ball (by its nature) takes away that aggressiveness.