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RE: WBB: Stanford vs Pacific Game Thread - amytmueller - 11-11-2022
(11-11-2022, 08:49 PM)qwerty49 Wrote: One nit to pick but I think it's curable. If I'm scouting Stanford, and if my team is playing help D, I would point out that EVERY time Betts gets ready to shoot she puts the ball on the floor. Even when she's three feet away on the low block. Need some strong coaching on Stanford's part to take that tell away. She can get away with that against creampuff opponents but top-level defenders will gladly take the extra half-second to get into position.
Totally agree. Ask my husband, l yell the same thing all the time. Don't put it on the floor! I think it's a habit she's been able to get away with. She doesn't need to do that, she needs to take lessons from Haley who seems to be able to cover 10 feet around the basket in two steps.
RE: WBB: Stanford 98 -- Pacific 4 - BostonCard - 11-11-2022
Through three games, neither Cameron Brink nor Haley Jones are among the top-3 scorers for Stanford. Brink (9.7 ppg) is fourth and Jones (7.3 ppg) is seventh. Our top three are Iriafen (13.7 ppg), Jump (11.3) and Betts (10.3).
We have an incredible six women who have attempted 10 or more shots and have a >60% FG%, led by Iriafen who is hitting better than 80% of her shots. Perhaps more impressive is Hannah Jump, who is hitting 2/3 of her shots and 2/3 of her three pointers. More broadly, we have six women who have attempted 5 or more three pointers and hit at least 40% (Jump, Prechtel, Nivar, Demetre, and Bosgana).
Four women have averaged at least 5 rebounds per game. Brink leads the team with 7.3, but Betts has 6.7, Iriafen has 6 reb/game and Jones has 5.
Le polo has come back to earth, but still leads the team with 17 assists to only 5 turnovers. Jones is second with 14 assist, but 7 turnovers, and the third leading assist maker is Demetre, who has six assists and no turnover.
It will surprise no one that Brink leads the team in brinks (shot blocks) with 12 (4 blocks per game), and Betts has 6.
Jump leads the team with 3 steals. Four others have two each.
11 players have at least 10 minutes per game, but only two (Jones and Jump) have more than 20 The bench will, of course, shorten, and if we settle on a top 8, looks like it would be Jones, Jump, Lepolo, Brink, Demetre, Iriafen, Nivar, Bosgana, and Emma-Nnopu based on play to date, but it’s hard to believe that Betts won’t get more time. Crazy that Belibi is so low on the list of minutes, but that could be because of her recent injury. But it’s always a good sign for the future when your freshmen (Lepolo and Betts) and sophomores (Demetre, Iriafen, Bosgana) are getting more minutes than some seniors. (Belibi and Prechtel).
BC
RE: WBB: Stanford 98 -- Pacific 4 - BosCard - 11-11-2022
(11-11-2022, 11:21 PM)BostonCard Wrote: Through three games, neither Cameron Brink nor Haley Jones are among the top-3 scorers for Stanford. Brink (9.7 ppg) is fourth and Jones (7.3 ppg) is seventh. Our top three are Iriafen (13.7 ppg), Jump (11.3) and Betts (10.3).
We have an incredible six women who have attempted 10 or more shots and have a >60% FG%, led by Iriafen who is hitting better than 80% of her shots. Perhaps more impressive is Hannah Jump, who is hitting 2/3 of her shots and 2/3 of her three pointers. More broadly, we have six women who have attempted 5 or more three pointers and hit at least 40% (Jump, Prechtel, Nivar, Demetre, and Bosgana).
Four women have averaged at least 5 rebounds per game. Brink leads the team with 7.3, but Betts has 6.7, Iriafen has 6 reb/game and Jones has 5.
Le polo has come back to earth, but still leads the team with 17 assists to only 5 turnovers. Jones is second with 14 assist, but 7 turnovers, and the third leading assist maker is Demetre, who has six assists and no turnover.
It will surprise no one that Brink leads the team in brinks (shot blocks) with 12 (4 blocks per game), and Betts has 6.
Jump leads the team with 3 steals. Four others have two each.
11 players have at least 10 minutes per game, but only two (Jones and Jump) have more than 20 The bench will, of course, shorten, and if we settle on a top 8, looks like it would be Jones, Jump, Lepolo, Brink, Demetre, Iriafen, Nivar, Bosgana, and Emma-Nnopu based on play to date, but it’s hard to believe that Betts won’t get more time. Crazy that Belibi is so low on the list of minutes, but that could be because of her recent injury. But it’s always a good sign for the future when your freshmen (Lepolo and Betts) and sophomores (Demetre, Iriafen, Bosgana) are getting more minutes than some seniors. (Belibi and Prechtel).
BC
Iriafen has been the best offensive player on the team thus far (it’s been Brink on Defense). But the real test will be who can score against South Carolina. In the final four last year against UConn, Jones and Brink scored 60% of the team’s points.
RE: WBB: Stanford 98 -- Pacific 4 - MV72018 - 11-12-2022
(11-11-2022, 11:50 PM)BosCard Wrote:(11-11-2022, 11:21 PM)BostonCard Wrote: Through three games, neither Cameron Brink nor Haley Jones are among the top-3 scorers for Stanford. Brink (9.7 ppg) is fourth and Jones (7.3 ppg) is seventh. Our top three are Iriafen (13.7 ppg), Jump (11.3) and Betts (10.3).
We have an incredible six women who have attempted 10 or more shots and have a >60% FG%, led by Iriafen who is hitting better than 80% of her shots. Perhaps more impressive is Hannah Jump, who is hitting 2/3 of her shots and 2/3 of her three pointers. More broadly, we have six women who have attempted 5 or more three pointers and hit at least 40% (Jump, Prechtel, Nivar, Demetre, and Bosgana).
Four women have averaged at least 5 rebounds per game. Brink leads the team with 7.3, but Betts has 6.7, Iriafen has 6 reb/game and Jones has 5.
Le polo has come back to earth, but still leads the team with 17 assists to only 5 turnovers. Jones is second with 14 assist, but 7 turnovers, and the third leading assist maker is Demetre, who has six assists and no turnover.
It will surprise no one that Brink leads the team in brinks (shot blocks) with 12 (4 blocks per game), and Betts has 6.
Jump leads the team with 3 steals. Four others have two each.
11 players have at least 10 minutes per game, but only two (Jones and Jump) have more than 20 The bench will, of course, shorten, and if we settle on a top 8, looks like it would be Jones, Jump, Lepolo, Brink, Demetre, Iriafen, Nivar, Bosgana, and Emma-Nnopu based on play to date, but it’s hard to believe that Betts won’t get more time. Crazy that Belibi is so low on the list of minutes, but that could be because of her recent injury. But it’s always a good sign for the future when your freshmen (Lepolo and Betts) and sophomores (Demetre, Iriafen, Bosgana) are getting more minutes than some seniors. (Belibi and Prechtel).
BC
Iriafen has been the best offensive player on the team thus far (it’s been Brink on Defense). But the real test will be who can score against South Carolina. In the final four last year against UConn, Jones and Brink scored 60% of the team’s points.
So far, Haley Jones's O has been AWOL. She'd better pick it up before South Carolina arrives. Blowouts like this don't help one iota.
RE: WBB: Stanford 98 -- Pacific 4 - qwerty49 - 11-12-2022
(11-12-2022, 12:24 AM)MV72018 Wrote:(11-11-2022, 11:50 PM)BosCard Wrote:(11-11-2022, 11:21 PM)BostonCard Wrote: Through three games, neither Cameron Brink nor Haley Jones are among the top-3 scorers for Stanford. Brink (9.7 ppg) is fourth and Jones (7.3 ppg) is seventh. Our top three are Iriafen (13.7 ppg), Jump (11.3) and Betts (10.3).
We have an incredible six women who have attempted 10 or more shots and have a >60% FG%, led by Iriafen who is hitting better than 80% of her shots. Perhaps more impressive is Hannah Jump, who is hitting 2/3 of her shots and 2/3 of her three pointers. More broadly, we have six women who have attempted 5 or more three pointers and hit at least 40% (Jump, Prechtel, Nivar, Demetre, and Bosgana).
Four women have averaged at least 5 rebounds per game. Brink leads the team with 7.3, but Betts has 6.7, Iriafen has 6 reb/game and Jones has 5.
Le polo has come back to earth, but still leads the team with 17 assists to only 5 turnovers. Jones is second with 14 assist, but 7 turnovers, and the third leading assist maker is Demetre, who has six assists and no turnover.
It will surprise no one that Brink leads the team in brinks (shot blocks) with 12 (4 blocks per game), and Betts has 6.
Jump leads the team with 3 steals. Four others have two each.
11 players have at least 10 minutes per game, but only two (Jones and Jump) have more than 20 The bench will, of course, shorten, and if we settle on a top 8, looks like it would be Jones, Jump, Lepolo, Brink, Demetre, Iriafen, Nivar, Bosgana, and Emma-Nnopu based on play to date, but it’s hard to believe that Betts won’t get more time. Crazy that Belibi is so low on the list of minutes, but that could be because of her recent injury. But it’s always a good sign for the future when your freshmen (Lepolo and Betts) and sophomores (Demetre, Iriafen, Bosgana) are getting more minutes than some seniors. (Belibi and Prechtel).
BC
Iriafen has been the best offensive player on the team thus far (it’s been Brink on Defense). But the real test will be who can score against South Carolina. In the final four last year against UConn, Jones and Brink scored 60% of the team’s points.
So far, Haley Jones's O has been AWOL. She'd better pick it up before South Carolina arrives. Blowouts like this don't help one iota.
I daresay she's still trying to figure out how to fit into the new "flow." Moving with the ball (PG or PointF) as opposed to without the ball as a slasher 3 (when Lepolo plays point). I think she's also trying to be too unselfish. We all know what she can do when she decides to take over the O.
RE: WBB: Stanford 98 -- Pacific 44 - 81alum - 11-12-2022
Jones has always been this way to a degree--an unselfish player who only "takes over" in big games and in crunch time. I've always felt her unselfishness seems almost lackadaisical at times. Given we have played no one who has challenged us, this is the Jones I would expect. But 3/11 with 4 turnovers seems subpar for Jones.
Not sure if anyone noticed, but Lepolo was 3/4, missing one three point attempt, but showing some facility in driving. The 4 turnovers were not good (to go with 4 assists), but then Jones also had 4 turnovers and only 1 assist.
Looking at the season stats so far, Nivar, Bosgana, and Emma-Nnopu have all averaged the same number of minutes per game so far. Emma-Nnopu may be starting, but the three of them are essentially splitting a single position at 13 mpg. I think Tara is giving them all a chance to shine as she makes the tough decision about who will eventually get most of the minutes, or whether all three remain in the rotation. Emma-Nnopu's offense was better last night, going 3/5 and hitting a trey in the mix. I get the feeling that Bosgana's defense vs. Emma-Nnopu's offense may prove the determining factors as the season wears on, unless Nivar develops really fast.
I've been trying to figure out if we are still playing the Princeton. Maybe it is just the personnel changes but the offense looks quite different to me this year. I'm not seeing the point guard hand off on the perimeter nearly so much, for example, nor have I seen that many back-door cuts or attempts to set up back-door cuts. In any case, while we can argue about playing a series of puffcakes, we have not put up so many points and won by such enormous margins even when we played puffcakes in the past. Something is clicking.
Jones and Lepolo are such radically different types of point guards that comparing them seems silly. Both are doing well statistically, although neither of them did as well last night as in prior games. I wonder if this might represent an advantage to swap them in and out of the point guard role as a change of pace and as a way to make us harder to scout, as opposed to eventually settling on one.
I think I must now agree that our pre-South Carolina schedule could have used at least one game with stiffer competition. These are great games for such a deep team like ours since so many players get to play, but there is a point of diminishing returns to playing weaker teams and we have passed that point. It may not have been clear how dominant our third string was going to be when the schedule was put together. But the fact that we are pummeling opponents while our two all-Americans are having mediocre performances makes me uncomfortable. We need to do more to get Jones and Brink up to top form before Nov 20th.
RE: WBB: Stanford 98 -- Pacific 44 - Hurlburt88 - 11-12-2022
as I have not had a chance to watch the game, any opinions from those who did on whose defense was best versus James?
RE: WBB: Stanford 98 -- Pacific 44 - 81alum - 11-12-2022
(11-12-2022, 07:46 AM)Hurlburt88 Wrote: as I have not had a chance to watch the game, any opinions from those who did on whose defense was best versus James?I did not get a sense of it. Everyone seemed to stop James. I think Emma-Nnopu did a lot of good for herself by showing some offense, but I did not get a sense that James was able to victimize any of our defenders. James had 18 points against us last year, and so I am sure she was the focus of the scouting report...and if there is anything that Tara does well it is shutting down a single star. We seemed well prepared for her in a way we could not be last year, since she was a freshman.
Spike - Spike - 11-12-2022
Haley is certainly not a selfish player but when she makes her drive to the basket, she virtually never kicks it out to an open player at the three point arc.
RE: WBB: Stanford 98 -- Pacific 44 - TheWildJacko - 11-12-2022
My remote capture ended up working! Here's a link:
[/url][url=https://youtu.be/3xv1mzz3zyA]Stanford WBB at Pacific 11-22-2022
I cut out all commercials and non-game content except some postgame commentary by the Pacific announcer and an interview with their coach.
ETA: I made it embeddable so now you should see the preview and you can play it on this page.
RE: WBB: Stanford 98 -- Pacific 44 - 81alum - 11-12-2022
(11-12-2022, 10:15 AM)TheWildJacko Wrote: My remote capture ended up working! Here's a link:Bless you!
[/url][url=https://youtu.be/3xv1mzz3zyA]Stanford WBB at Pacific 11-22-2022
I cut out all commercials and non-game content except some postgame commentary by the Pacific announcer and an interview with their coach.
ETA: I made it embeddable so now you should see the preview and you can play it on this page.
RE: WBB: Stanford 98 -- Pacific 44 - TheFarm07 - 11-12-2022
(11-12-2022, 06:07 AM)81alum Wrote: I think I must now agree that our pre-South Carolina schedule could have used at least one game with stiffer competition. These are great games for such a deep team like ours since so many players get to play, but there is a point of diminishing returns to playing weaker teams and we have passed that point. It may not have been clear how dominant our third string was going to be when the schedule was put together. But the fact that we are pummeling opponents while our two all-Americans are having mediocre performances makes me uncomfortable. We need to do more to get Jones and Brink up to top form before Nov 20th.
I agree; it would have been great if we had a Top-25 opponent scheduled in before our bout with South Carolina next Sunday. It's going to be a severe step up in competition going from Pacific and Cal Poly to the defending national champions. I hope (and think) our veterans will be able to make that big leap.
I am hoping that Brink and Jones can make that instant adjustment next Sunday. They haven't had to perform well in these first few games but hopefully something clicks a week from tomorrow on the national stage against the Gamecocks. They know how good Boston and co. are and as a result, they can elevate their games accordingly.
RE: WBB: Stanford 98 -- Pacific 44 - CompSci87 - 11-12-2022
(11-12-2022, 10:15 AM)TheWildJacko Wrote: My remote capture ended up working! Here's a link:
[/url][url=https://youtu.be/3xv1mzz3zyA]Stanford WBB at Pacific 11-22-2022
I cut out all commercials and non-game content except some postgame commentary by the Pacific announcer and an interview with their coach.
ETA: I made it embeddable so now you should see the preview and you can play it on this page.
Thanks, that looks really good. Can I ask what software you used to capture it?
RE: WBB: Stanford 98 -- Pacific 44 - stopandpop - 11-12-2022
(11-12-2022, 11:47 AM)TheFarm07 Wrote:(11-12-2022, 06:07 AM)81alum Wrote: I think I must now agree that our pre-South Carolina schedule could have used at least one game with stiffer competition. These are great games for such a deep team like ours since so many players get to play, but there is a point of diminishing returns to playing weaker teams and we have passed that point. It may not have been clear how dominant our third string was going to be when the schedule was put together. But the fact that we are pummeling opponents while our two all-Americans are having mediocre performances makes me uncomfortable. We need to do more to get Jones and Brink up to top form before Nov 20th.
If this pattern continues, expect a resounding defeat next Sunday when South Carolina comes to town.
I agree; it would have been great if we had a Top-25 opponent scheduled in before our bout with South Carolina next Sunday. It's going to be a severe step up in competition going from Pacific and Cal Poly to the defending national champions. I hope (and think) our veterans will be able to make that big leap.
I am hoping that Brink and Jones can make that instant adjustment next Sunday. They haven't had to perform well in these first few games but hopefully something clicks a week from tomorrow on the national stage against the Gamecocks. They know how good Boston and co. are and as a result, they can elevate their games accordingly.
My wife and I were at the game last evening and we sat next to Haley's parents. It's become clear to me that both Haley and Cam are having difficulty adjusting to their new positions. There is very little spacing for either of them to operate and most important, very few opportunities in the current offense for them to take advantage of their elite skill sets and dominate. I'm watching them closely and at times they both look uncomfortable, whether it's Haley trying to drive the ball or Cam trying to make a play when she's out on the perimeter.
Pacific was hurt by our size and our depth, but neither Haley nor Cam hurt them. After 4 games, their performance has been much less than we expected. When they have thrived and dominated in past seasons.
I don't believe Tara will make any adjustments in the offense. I think she believes that Haley and Cam will adjust to their new positions as the season goes along- and she may be right. But from my vantage point, here are two All-Americans (and ESPN has rated them 2 of the top 6 players in the country), who are struggling. If it was only Cam or only Haley- that would be one thing, but it's both. That suggests to me that the plan (moving Haley to PG and Cam to a 3), is not producing results.
We will be in Portland tomorrow and I'm hoping to heck (somehow) Haley and Cam will find a way to impose their will on the opponent. Otherwise, we are in for a long afternoon against South Carolina.
RE: WBB: Stanford 98 -- Pacific 44 - TheWildJacko - 11-12-2022
(11-12-2022, 12:41 PM)CompSci87 Wrote:(11-12-2022, 10:15 AM)TheWildJacko Wrote: My remote capture ended up working! Here's a link:
[/url][url=https://youtu.be/3xv1mzz3zyA]Stanford WBB at Pacific 11-22-2022
I cut out all commercials and non-game content except some postgame commentary by the Pacific announcer and an interview with their coach.
ETA: I made it embeddable so now you should see the preview and you can play it on this page.
Thanks, that looks really good. Can I ask what software you used to capture it?
For sure! I used ScreenFlow.
RE: WBB: Stanford 98 -- Pacific 44 - chimera - 11-12-2022
(11-12-2022, 01:32 PM)stopandpop Wrote:(11-12-2022, 11:47 AM)TheFarm07 Wrote:(11-12-2022, 06:07 AM)81alum Wrote: I think I must now agree that our pre-South Carolina schedule could have used at least one game with stiffer competition. These are great games for such a deep team like ours since so many players get to play, but there is a point of diminishing returns to playing weaker teams and we have passed that point. It may not have been clear how dominant our third string was going to be when the schedule was put together. But the fact that we are pummeling opponents while our two all-Americans are having mediocre performances makes me uncomfortable. We need to do more to get Jones and Brink up to top form before Nov 20th.
If this pattern continues, expect a resounding defeat next Sunday when South Carolina comes to town.
I agree; it would have been great if we had a Top-25 opponent scheduled in before our bout with South Carolina next Sunday. It's going to be a severe step up in competition going from Pacific and Cal Poly to the defending national champions. I hope (and think) our veterans will be able to make that big leap.
I am hoping that Brink and Jones can make that instant adjustment next Sunday. They haven't had to perform well in these first few games but hopefully something clicks a week from tomorrow on the national stage against the Gamecocks. They know how good Boston and co. are and as a result, they can elevate their games accordingly.
My wife and I were at the game last evening and we sat next to Haley's parents. It's become clear to me that both Haley and Cam are having difficulty adjusting to their new positions. There is very little spacing for either of them to operate and most important, very few opportunities in the current offense for them to take advantage of their elite skill sets and dominate. I'm watching them closely and at times they both look uncomfortable, whether it's Haley trying to drive the ball or Cam trying to make a play when she's out on the perimeter.
Pacific was hurt by our size and our depth, but neither Haley nor Cam hurt them. After 4 games, their performance has been much less than we expected. When they have thrived and dominated in past seasons.
I don't believe Tara will make any adjustments in the offense. I think she believes that Haley and Cam will adjust to their new positions as the season goes along- and she may be right. But from my vantage point, here are two All-Americans (and ESPN has rated them 2 of the top 6 players in the country), who are struggling. If it was only Cam or only Haley- that would be one thing, but it's both. That suggests to me that the plan (moving Haley to PG and Cam to a 3), is not producing results.
We will be in Portland tomorrow and I'm hoping to heck (somehow) Haley and Cam will find a way to impose their will on the opponent. Otherwise, we are in for a long afternoon against South Carolina.
The team has played three games, all of which were large blowouts where nobody played more than 17-20 minutes or so. Nobody has to impose their will in a blowout like that. The team as a group imposed their will. I don't think Brink played the three very much at all. She starts at the 4 and has played down low and on the perimeter. Jones is not in that much of a different role either. Yes, she plays point and runs the team some (not my favorite use of her either), but she also slides to the wing frequently. There is a vast difference between a game where the team is up big very early and ends up winning by 50 or 60 and one where the starters need to play a lot more minutes against a better opponent.
The changes for Brink - playing outside a bit more, driving from outside a bit more, etc., are to her personal benefit. In the WNBA it will help her immensely if she can play inside and outside, hit threes, defend outside, etc. The same is true for Jones. It will only help her game for the future if she can shoot threes more and better, control her turnovers more, and run a team sometimes. Versatility is a big help for the pros. The idea that they are unhappy that they are being asked (being allowed?) to expand their games is strange to me.
You seem to be implying by saying you sat next to parents, that they are unhappy or said Jones is unhappy. If that is not what you are implying you really should clarify. I know someone who knows the family and has told me that Jones has been extremely happy with her Stanford career and her choice to attend. I do not at all see unhappiness or frustration on court. These players are smart. They know that such a deep team requires a willingness to let others play when a game is a blowout. That's how a team can develop. Not a time to just ride your stars, not this early and not against the likes of Pacific.
My last point is the same one I keep harping on - it is very early. The rotation is far from set. Roles are far from set. Things will change. They always do. Both Jones and Brink are proven players who will show out plenty. If things are not working well, changes will be made.
RE: WBB: Stanford 98 -- Pacific 44 - CompSci87 - 11-12-2022
Chimera, great comments.
RE: WBB: Stanford 98 -- Pacific 44 - Jskass - 11-12-2022
Plus we all know that stars like Haley get up for the big games. All we have to do is cheer .
RE: WBB: Stanford 98 -- Pacific 44 - MV72018 - 11-12-2022
With all this talk of the new “flow” offense, it sounds like Tara is trying to implement Steve Kerr’s Warriors O. It will be interesting to see how it works out. Hi risk, high gain IMO.
RE: WBB: Stanford 98 -- Pacific 44 - BostonCard - 11-12-2022
Jones strikes me as the person who is having the most fun out there. She always has a big smile and really looks and acts like she is enjoying herself.
BC