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RE: Fauci: Football may not happen at all this year - BostonCard - 06-22-2020
More proximally, now the NBA's "bubble" plan may be in jeopardy because of rising cases in Florida:
https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/floridas-covid-19-cases-are-surging-and-that-could-ruin-the-nbas-disney-world-bubble-plan/
BC
RE: Fauci: Football may not happen at all this year - magnus - 06-22-2020
(06-22-2020, 02:46 PM)BostonCard Wrote: More proximally, now the NBA's "bubble" plan may be in jeopardy because of rising cases in Florida:
https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/floridas-covid-19-cases-are-surging-and-that-could-ruin-the-nbas-disney-world-bubble-plan/
BC
It's hard to see any sport making it through a complete season this year.
RE: Fauci: Football may not happen at all this year - Farm93 - 06-23-2020
(06-22-2020, 08:26 PM)magnus Wrote:Not as worried about pro sports. In theory, one can just pay the players what it takes. Some sports will see the financial benefits of a captive audience and take the risks. Some may even complete their partial seasons, though I don't think any will complete a normal, traditional season with or without fans.(06-22-2020, 02:46 PM)BostonCard Wrote: More proximally, now the NBA's "bubble" plan may be in jeopardy because of rising cases in Florida:
https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/floridas-covid-19-cases-are-surging-and-that-could-ruin-the-nbas-disney-world-bubble-plan/
BC
It's hard to see any sport making it through a complete season this year.
For college sports. The challenges are greater because of the number of athletes, sports and divisions and the inability to put the athletes in coaches in bubbles as they are part of their community on campuses.
For a while it looked like the big cities on the east and west coast would get control of their outbreaks and the less densely populated states in the middle might be OK even with sub-par COVID management because of their population density. Now it looks like the western states (Pac-12 footprint) are not doing well as Arizona and southern California have problems. Texas and many of the other states in the SEC footprint are looking ready to see surges with few government officials in those states willing to take on the tough steps to slow the spread.
Ultimately NCAA's decisions will be based on college presidents. Our USA president may not be particularly skilled at incorporating science and medicine in his assessment of situation, but your average college president has more than a few colleagues that can help bring science and medicine into their assessment of the COVID related risks to the coaches, the student-athletes, and the campus community.
Even if a school is doing great work on testing, PPE distribution and social distancing, it can all be ruined by a soccer team returning from a road game in Tempe, Houston, Birmingham or even Los Angeles.
Maybe the winter and spring sports will be rescued by vaccines or a renewed commitment by the USA citizens to fight the spread, but here in June it is looking bad.
Djokovic's ability or inability to fight and recover from COVID will become a very relevant example by athletes all around the world. Hope Djokovic does well and it would be great for him to use the specifics around his COVID exposure to raise awareness around the world. Very few people in the world can credibly claim to be in better physical shape than the Joker. If Djokovic can get COVID anyone can get COVID.
RE: Fauci: Football may not happen at all this year - dabigv13 - 06-23-2020
Italy has had several soccer players test positive who have returned to playing since the season restarted. Paulo Dybala had it, with positive PCR tests for weeks afterwards somewhat remarkably. Just scored a goal yesterday for Juventus.
I think the athlete who is not able to return to his pre-infection level of performance will be pretty uncommon.
RE: Fauci: Football may not happen at all this year - M T - 06-23-2020
(06-23-2020, 08:46 AM)Farm93 Wrote: Even if a school is doing great work on testing, PPE distribution and social distancing, it can all be ruined by a soccer team returning from a road game in Tempe, Houston, Birmingham or even Los Angeles.I wondered what the case count per capita was for the cities you mentioned. "even Los Angeles" is the worst in terms of cumulative confirmed case count. Active cases now, or in the fall, is a different matter.
Cumulative confirmed cases per 10K population in
Tempe (Maricopa County): 72.5
Houston (City): (14,313 for 2,340,888) = 61.2 (Active; 8,402)
Birmingham (Jefferson County): (3025 for 659,546) = 45.9
Los Angeles (County minus Pasadena, Long Beach): 81,748 for 9.4M = 87.0
[url=https://www.azcentral.com/in-depth/news/local/arizona-health/2020/03/20/arizona-coronavirus-map-county-county-look-covid-19-cases/2879808001/][/url]
RE: Fauci: Football may not happen at all this year - JustAnotherFan - 07-03-2020
Just in: 31 MLB players positive for coronavirus after first round of tests. https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/29406217/31-mlb-players-positive-coronavirus-first-round-tests
I think reasonable people agree that Football will not happen this year.
But too many are still holding out hope for the NBA and MLB. It just seems wrong that they haven't called off their planned seasons (restart or not).
RE: Fauci: Football may not happen at all this year - Farm93 - 07-03-2020
(07-03-2020, 02:28 PM)JustAnotherFan Wrote: Just in: 31 MLB players positive for coronavirus after first round of tests. https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/29406217/31-mlb-players-positive-coronavirus-first-round-testsThere was a real game changer of a positive test today.
I think reasonable people agree that Football will not happen this year.
But too many are still holding out hope for the NBA and MLB. It just seems wrong that they haven't called off their planned seasons (restart or not).
https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nascar/2020/07/03/jimmie-johnson-tests-positive-coronavirus-miss-brickyard-400/5373941002/
This one touches NASCAR as they are preparing to race in Indy this weekend. That will bring awareness to two different key battleground geographies.
The President can say whatever he wants, but if NASCAR drivers can't race that will tell a key portion of his base that this virus is still a problem.
Sounds like Jimmy is doing OK, which is good to hear.
RE: Fauci: Football may not happen at all this year - needle - 07-03-2020
Quote:I think reasonable people agree that Football will not happen this year.
Disagree. Compared to a week ago, I'm more inclined to think football will happen this fall:
a.) Lack of strong opposition from players. I really thought we'd hear of many stories similar to what occurred at UCLA (players demanding independent health monitoring). Hasn't happened. If it does, this is when I'll start to think seriously that football won't happen.
b.) Many, many economies affected if there is a true cancellation of football: university budgets, college town gameday revenues, ESPN and other networks, jersey merch, etc. These hungry mouths are not silent behind the scenes.
c.) No vocal opponent with a high Q rating. There has not yet been a retired athlete or coach with tremendous name recognition come out and say playing football is bad. Give Paul Finebaum some credit, as he's been willing to have guests on who are openly stating that CFB is not looking like a safe bet. But these guests are not household names.
https://twitter.com/GetUpESPN/status/1279098883155640323
RE: Fauci: Football may not happen at all this year - Farm93 - 07-03-2020
(07-03-2020, 08:40 PM)needle Wrote:Quote:I think reasonable people agree that Football will not happen this year.
Disagree. Compared to a week ago, I'm more inclined to think football will happen this fall:
a.) Lack of strong opposition from players. I really thought we'd hear of many stories similar to what occurred at UCLA (players demanding independent health monitoring). Hasn't happened. If it does, this is when I'll start to think seriously that football won't happen.
b.) Many, many economies affected if there is a true cancellation of football: university budgets, college town gameday revenues, ESPN and other networks, jersey merch, etc. These hungry mouths are not silent behind the scenes.
c.) No vocal opponent with a high Q rating. There has not yet been a retired athlete or coach with tremendous name recognition come out and say playing football is bad. Give Paul Finebaum some credit, as he's been willing to have guests on who are openly stating that CFB is not looking like a safe bet. But these guests are not household names.
https://twitter.com/GetUpESPN/status/1279098883155640323
The "catch" was that very early in the process Mark Emmert commented that the NCAA should not have sports if students are not attending classes on campus.
So using that logic the CSUs, USC and UCLA should not have fall sports this year. Hate to sound California centric, but it will be tough for the Pac-12 to have a season if that set of schools is not playing.
If students are not on campus, the NCAA just won't be able to have STUDENT-athletes playing games. If the hybrid and online only model spreads the seasons will be cancelled or postponed.
Most schools announced in May and early June that they would open for the fall, but they were using projections with less than 20 daily deaths nationwide by early August. We are off that trajectory, so look for more schools to announce revisions to plans like USC.
Risk of travel is becoming clear....even to POTUS I suspect/hope.
POTUS administration continues to announce that more and more of the Secret Service agents have tested positive for COVID in advance of the MAGA rally. The recent MAGA rally trips have also included a few members of the Trump's election campaign testing positive too.
And tonight we discovered that Kimberly Guilfoyle joined the positive test group. She is Jr's girlfriend and part of that POTUS administration re-election campaign. She traveled to Oklahoma, Arizona and South Dakota for the various rallies. Hope she does well but her situation hints at the challenges of trying to travel the USA while COVID is thriving.
Her back story is not really critical for this board. My point is team Trump can't even avoid COVID in circles that close to POTUS despite all of the testing and precautions. It is very, very hard to imagine your average NCAA team that travels on commercial airlines for road contests would successful avoid a COVID outbreak for a full season given Team Trump's lack of success with its last three road trips.
RE: Fauci: Football may not happen at all this year - chrisk - 07-03-2020
(07-03-2020, 09:07 PM)Farm93 Wrote:(07-03-2020, 08:40 PM)needle Wrote:Quote:I think reasonable people agree that Football will not happen this year.
Disagree. Compared to a week ago, I'm more inclined to think football will happen this fall:
a.) Lack of strong opposition from players. I really thought we'd hear of many stories similar to what occurred at UCLA (players demanding independent health monitoring). Hasn't happened. If it does, this is when I'll start to think seriously that football won't happen.
b.) Many, many economies affected if there is a true cancellation of football: university budgets, college town gameday revenues, ESPN and other networks, jersey merch, etc. These hungry mouths are not silent behind the scenes.
c.) No vocal opponent with a high Q rating. There has not yet been a retired athlete or coach with tremendous name recognition come out and say playing football is bad. Give Paul Finebaum some credit, as he's been willing to have guests on who are openly stating that CFB is not looking like a safe bet. But these guests are not household names.
https://twitter.com/GetUpESPN/status/1279098883155640323
The "catch" was that very early in the process Mark Emmert commented that the NCAA should not have sports if students are not attending classes on campus.
So using that logic the CSUs, USC and UCLA should not have fall sports this year. Hate to sound California centric, but it will be tough for the Pac-12 to have a season if that set of schools is not playing.
If students are not on campus, the NCAA just won't be able to have STUDENT-athletes playing games. If the hybrid and online only model spreads the seasons will be cancelled or postponed.
Most schools announced in May and early June that they would open for the fall, but they were using projections with less than 20 daily deaths nationwide by early August. We are off that trajectory, so look for more schools to announce revisions to plans like USC.
Risk of travel is becoming clear....even to POTUS I suspect/hope.
POTUS administration continues to announce that more and more of the Secret Service agents have tested positive for COVID in advance of the MAGA rally. The recent MAGA rally trips have also included a few members of the Trump's election campaign testing positive too.
And tonight we discovered that Kimberly Guilfoyle joined the positive test group. She is Jr's girlfriend and part of that POTUS administration re-election campaign. She traveled to Oklahoma, Arizona and South Dakota for the various rallies. Hope she does well but her situation hints at the challenges of trying to travel the USA while COVID is thriving.
Her back story is not really critical for this board. My point is team Trump can't even avoid COVID in circles that close to POTUS despite all of the testing and precautions. It is very, very hard to imagine your average NCAA team that travels on commercial airlines for road contests would successful avoid a COVID outbreak for a full season given Team Trump's lack of success with its last three road trips.
As a top fund-raising official, Guilfoyle may have been pandering to the maskless sensibilities of Trump's big donors.
RE: Fauci: Football may not happen at all this year - teejers1 - 07-04-2020
(07-03-2020, 07:08 PM)Farm93 Wrote:(07-03-2020, 02:28 PM)JustAnotherFan Wrote: Just in: 31 MLB players positive for coronavirus after first round of tests. https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/29406217/31-mlb-players-positive-coronavirus-first-round-testsThere was a real game changer of a positive test today.
I think reasonable people agree that Football will not happen this year.
But too many are still holding out hope for the NBA and MLB. It just seems wrong that they haven't called off their planned seasons (restart or not).
https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nascar/2020/07/03/jimmie-johnson-tests-positive-coronavirus-miss-brickyard-400/5373941002/
This one touches NASCAR as they are preparing to race in Indy this weekend. That will bring awareness to two different key battleground geographies.
The President can say whatever he wants, but if NASCAR drivers can't race that will tell a key portion of his base that this virus is still a problem.
Sounds like Jimmy is doing OK, which is good to hear.
Game changer? In what way?
It's like you have to read the Golf Channel to read that Rory McIlroy, when asked if the Tour should shut down after one or two players tested positive said, "that would be silly" (or words to that effect). Same with NASCAR and the positive-testing driver, who is asymptomatic, "feels great' and doesn't know how he was infected (which I imagine is true for the vast majority of folks who have had - and will have - the virus).
P.S. I'll just tuck this point in here about pro athletes questioning "the safety" of returning to work. First, absolutely, don't compete if you do not want to for whatever reason - definitely including safety - provided you forfeit your compensation (which seems eminently fair/reasonable). Second, when athletes talk about safety, they really should be talking about the incremental risk of competing versus what they are doing now. It strains credulity to think that playing in a bubble environment with others who have been tested/cleared is more risky than what they are doiing now. The typical safety risk highlighted is "yeah, well non-NBA players can come in and out of the bubble," and that is likely true. But how is that risk any greater than what they are facing now (unless you believe that none of these players have any interaction with anyone outside the home).
P.P.S. Don't you think it's plausible that some of those making noise about competing are really more concerned about having to be in the bubble? Again, that's a legit complaint in its own right, but it doesn't have anything to do with safety. In fact, quite the opposite.
RE: Fauci: Football may not happen at all this year - needle - 07-07-2020
I'm still very confident that CFB will be played this fall, but today the U Alabama chancellor (appearing at some White House event) actually did NOT issue a full-throated endorsement of the idea:
Quote: “Mr. President, that’s not the first time we’ve heard that question, I can promise you,” St. John said to laughter from the room. “We are planning to play the season at the University of Alabama. We understand that creates great difficulties and complexities and we’re hoping for that. It’s important to a lot of people. We’ll do our best on that one.”
https://www.saturdaydownsouth.com/alabama-football/president-trump-asks-if-alabama-will-play-football-this-fall-chancellor-finis-st-john-responds/
RE: Fauci: Football may not happen at all this year - Farm93 - 07-08-2020
(07-04-2020, 11:49 PM)teejers1 Wrote:NASCAR is based in The South and let's just say many of NASCAR's most enthusiastic fans also are very fond of bright red baseball caps. The willingness to trust and believe everything President Trump is pitching on COVID would be shaken quite a bit if NASCAR had a COVID outbreak.(07-03-2020, 07:08 PM)Farm93 Wrote:(07-03-2020, 02:28 PM)JustAnotherFan Wrote: Just in: 31 MLB players positive for coronavirus after first round of tests. https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/29406217/31-mlb-players-positive-coronavirus-first-round-testsThere was a real game changer of a positive test today.
I think reasonable people agree that Football will not happen this year.
But too many are still holding out hope for the NBA and MLB. It just seems wrong that they haven't called off their planned seasons (restart or not).
https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nascar/2020/07/03/jimmie-johnson-tests-positive-coronavirus-miss-brickyard-400/5373941002/
This one touches NASCAR as they are preparing to race in Indy this weekend. That will bring awareness to two different key battleground geographies.
The President can say whatever he wants, but if NASCAR drivers can't race that will tell a key portion of his base that this virus is still a problem.
Sounds like Jimmy is doing OK, which is good to hear.
Game changer? In what way?
It's like you have to read the Golf Channel to read that Rory McIlroy, when asked if the Tour should shut down after one or two players tested positive said, "that would be silly" (or words to that effect). Same with NASCAR and the positive-testing driver, who is asymptomatic, "feels great' and doesn't know how he was infected (which I imagine is true for the vast majority of folks who have had - and will have - the virus).
P.S. I'll just tuck this point in here about pro athletes questioning "the safety" of returning to work. First, absolutely, don't compete if you do not want to for whatever reason - definitely including safety - provided you forfeit your compensation (which seems eminently fair/reasonable). Second, when athletes talk about safety, they really should be talking about the incremental risk of competing versus what they are doing now. It strains credulity to think that playing in a bubble environment with others who have been tested/cleared is more risky than what they are doiing now. The typical safety risk highlighted is "yeah, well non-NBA players can come in and out of the bubble," and that is likely true. But how is that risk any greater than what they are facing now (unless you believe that none of these players have any interaction with anyone outside the home).
P.P.S. Don't you think it's plausible that some of those making noise about competing are really more concerned about having to be in the bubble? Again, that's a legit complaint in its own right, but it doesn't have anything to do with safety. In fact, quite the opposite.
Jimmy Johnson isn't just a driver in NASCAR, he is the most successful active driver on the circuit with more wins than any other active driver.
Jimmy is not complaining about living in a NASCAR bubble...he tested positive for the virus.
That was the "game changer" part. A healthy, wealthy, and successful race car driver racing in southern states got COVID. This is not some liberal broadway or hollywood actor, he is a NASCAR racer. To a Trump supporter living in the South this one hit closer to home, a game changer.
He is doing better now, so that's good for him.
RE: Fauci: Football may not happen at all this year - teejers1 - 07-08-2020
(07-08-2020, 08:24 AM)Farm93 Wrote: NASCAR is based in The South and let's just say many of NASCAR's most enthusiastic fans also are very fond of bright red baseball caps. The willingness to trust and believe everything President Trump is pitching on COVID would be shaken quite a bit if NASCAR had a COVID outbreak.
Jimmy Johnson isn't just a driver in NASCAR, he is the most successful active driver on the circuit with more wins than any other active driver.
Jimmy is not complaining about living in a NASCAR bubble...he tested positive for the virus.
That was the "game changer" part. A healthy, wealthy, and successful race car driver racing in southern states got COVID. This is not some liberal broadway or hollywood actor, he is a NASCAR racer. To a Trump supporter living in the South this one hit closer to home, a game changer.
He is doing better now, so that's good for him.
Never thought of it that way . . . so you think one headline NASCAR driver being infected has more impact than 30+ Clemson football players on the psyche of the southern sports fan? Could be . . .
BTW, do you also believe that Southern folks (let's just pick South Carolina and Florida - hot spots) are seeing a rise in infections because "they believe everything Trump tells them about Covid and that it's nothing to be concerned about" - as opposed to being tired of SiP or less-than-careful about being smart due to other considerations? That seems a bit extreme (and doesn't give much independent thought credit to Southerners). But I do agree that Trump's desultory messaging has been a hindrance to limiting virus spread.
RE: Fauci: Football may not happen at all this year - BostonCard - 07-08-2020
I'm inclined to agree with Teejers. Moreover, it is possible that if a lot of high profile athletes test positive but don't get severe disease, that it could have the opposite message, reinforcing the idea that the virus is not dangerous (or at least not dangerous for some people).
I think it would probably take the death or at least severe illness of a high profile, young, otherwise healthy individual for it to really be a "game changer".
BC
RE: Fauci: Football may not happen at all this year - magnus - 07-08-2020
I've been told NASCAR is like a religion in the south. Some of the race car figures probably do achieve near god-like status. So I wouldn't be surprised if the right person got ill (and suffered) that it would change the mindset of a lot of people.
That said, I'm not sure Jimmie Johnson has that sort of rabid fanbase. (but, I haven't followed NASCAR all that much since I tried Fantasy NASCAR around 15 years ago. haha. and the Bill Elliott years before that) He, and Jeff Gordon before him, both seem like more mainstream famous racers instead of say a Dale Earnhardt Jr (using contemporary drivers)
Further caveat...i could very well be totally wrong about each of these racer's impact. =)
And now for more talking out of my ... Is Clemson a school that "the south" would connect with? I know it's technically in the south and it's recently been a great football powerhouse, but just 10 years ago, Clemson wouldn't have been considered an influential southern school, would it? It's not in the SEC after all. =)
OK run wild over my comments.
RE: Fauci: Football may not happen at all this year - needle - 07-08-2020
Quote:I think it would probably take the death or at least severe illness of a high profile, young, otherwise healthy individual for it to really be a "game changer".
About player infections, the more probable scenario imo is that a largely unknown player gets ill but a high-profile teammate sounds the alarm about how dangerous it is to attempt to play.
Or a geezer-ish head coach gets really sick.
RE: Fauci: Football may not happen at all this year - Farm93 - 07-08-2020
(07-08-2020, 11:08 AM)teejers1 Wrote:NASCAR more impressionable than College Football cases?(07-08-2020, 08:24 AM)Farm93 Wrote: NASCAR is based in The South and let's just say many of NASCAR's most enthusiastic fans also are very fond of bright red baseball caps. The willingness to trust and believe everything President Trump is pitching on COVID would be shaken quite a bit if NASCAR had a COVID outbreak.
Jimmy Johnson isn't just a driver in NASCAR, he is the most successful active driver on the circuit with more wins than any other active driver.
Jimmy is not complaining about living in a NASCAR bubble...he tested positive for the virus.
That was the "game changer" part. A healthy, wealthy, and successful race car driver racing in southern states got COVID. This is not some liberal broadway or hollywood actor, he is a NASCAR racer. To a Trump supporter living in the South this one hit closer to home, a game changer.
He is doing better now, so that's good for him.
Never thought of it that way . . . so you think one headline NASCAR driver being infected has more impact than 30+ Clemson football players on the psyche of the southern sports fan? Could be . . .
BTW, do you also believe that Southern folks (let's just pick South Carolina and Florida - hot spots) are seeing a rise in infections because "they believe everything Trump tells them about Covid and that it's nothing to be concerned about" - as opposed to being tired of SiP or less-than-careful about being smart due to other considerations? That seems a bit extreme (and doesn't give much independent thought credit to Southerners). But I do agree that Trump's desultory messaging has been a hindrance to limiting virus spread.
Yes, because NASCAR is racing right now. If an outbreak stopped NASCAR that would directly impact those red hay types immediately.
Clemson, Alabama and LSU players getting sick isn't a big deal as long as the teams can play and win from September - November. If the region has an outbreak that causes the SEC to cancel games than that would be a much bigger deal. Definitely agree that college football cancellations would be a bigger game changer if/when it happens.
I tend to doubt it would change the rate of spread or cause people to rush to get masks at this point. Rather some in The South would understand that even if the deaths largely were in big blue northern urban centers, COVID can still have an impact their lives and livelihood.
RE: Fauci: Football may not happen at all this year - JustAnotherFan - 07-08-2020
The Ivy League cancelled all sports for 2020. There will be no college football.
RE: Fauci: Football may not happen at all this year - magnus - 07-08-2020
(07-08-2020, 02:17 PM)JustAnotherFan Wrote: The Ivy League cancelled all sports for 2020. There will be no college football.For a second there, i thought you meant the whole school year.
Looks like you were talking just fall sports.
Still big news.