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RE: WBB: Stanford @ Washington Sunday 12pm - cardfan1996 - 02-05-2023

If either Agnes or Lepolo are in the starting lineup from here on out, then I officially give up. They don’t help with defensive rebounding and the offense doesn’t run when either are in the lineup.

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RE: WBB: Stanford @ Washington Sunday 12pm - mbdude - 02-05-2023

Not # 2 anymore

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RE: WBB: Stanford @ Washington Sunday 12pm - cardfan1996 - 02-05-2023

Bosgana can help this team with her skillset. Had a monster game vs Washington State. Doesn’t even get a look today.

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RE: WBB: Stanford @ Washington Sunday 12pm - JohnR34231 - 02-05-2023

Well, I think this shows that while we are capable of beating just about anyone, there are quite a few teams that are capable of beating us.
Don't book your reservations for the final four quite yet.

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RE: WBB: Stanford @ Washington Sunday 12pm - MV72018 - 02-05-2023

A complete collapse in the crunch, just like we did in Q4 against South Carolina.

This team doesn't do well in tight games. Too bad. Lot of talent but, I'm unthrilled with the coaching and adjustments since the USC loss. 

Haley allegedly switched to the 4 and bringing the ball up most of the time and leading us in assists? Give me a break.

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RE: WBB: Stanford @ Washington Sunday 12pm - Hoops9092 - 02-05-2023

Looks like they sets up the new #1 vs. #2 next Sunday with South Carolina hosting LSU. Both undefeated. We'll probably drop to somewhere in that #5-#7 range. Unfortunately, this makes for a 2nd bad loss.

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RE: WBB: Stanford @ Washington Sunday 12pm - crackpot - 02-05-2023

(02-05-2023, 03:00 PM)martyup Wrote:  I hate these Friday night followed by Sunday games.

So we get a real quick Thursday game this week in Arizona. Eek.

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RE: WBB: Stanford @ Washington Sunday 12pm - martyup - 02-05-2023

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RE: WBB: Stanford @ Washington Sunday 12pm - cardfan1996 - 02-05-2023

(02-05-2023, 03:07 PM)MV72018 Wrote:  A complete collapse in the crunch, just like we did in Q4 against South Carolina.

This team doesn't do well in tight games. Too bad. Lot of talent but, I'm unthrilled with the coaching and adjustments since the USC loss. 

Haley allegedly switched to the 4 and bringing the ball up most of the time and leading us in assists? Give me a break.

Haley is horrible at the 1 - leading in assist AND turnovers but Lepolo cannot “see” the floor at all. She is a horrible passer in the halfcourt hence why she was on the bench for a long time before Tara brought her back in to seal the deal on the loss.

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RE: WBB: Stanford @ Washington Sunday 12pm - martyup - 02-05-2023

(02-05-2023, 03:10 PM)cardfan1996 Wrote:  

(02-05-2023, 03:07 PM)MV72018 Wrote:  A complete collapse in the crunch, just like we did in Q4 against South Carolina.

This team doesn't do well in tight games. Too bad. Lot of talent but, I'm unthrilled with the coaching and adjustments since the USC loss. 

Haley allegedly switched to the 4 and bringing the ball up most of the time and leading us in assists? Give me a break.

Haley is horrible at the 1 - leading in assist AND turnovers but Lepolo cannot “see” the floor at all. She is a horrible passer in the halfcourt hence why she was on the bench for a long time before Tara brought her back in to seal the deal on the loss.

"Horrible"  Really?

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RE: WBB: Stanford @ Washington Sunday 12pm - JohnR34231 - 02-05-2023

(02-05-2023, 03:10 PM)cardfan1996 Wrote:  

(02-05-2023, 03:07 PM)MV72018 Wrote:  A complete collapse in the crunch, just like we did in Q4 against South Carolina.

This team doesn't do well in tight games. Too bad. Lot of talent but, I'm unthrilled with the coaching and adjustments since the USC loss. 

Haley allegedly switched to the 4 and bringing the ball up most of the time and leading us in assists? Give me a break.

Haley is horrible at the 1 - leading in assist AND turnovers but Lepolo cannot “see” the floor at all. She is a horrible passer in the halfcourt hence why she was on the bench for a long time before Tara brought her back in to seal the deal on the loss.

Earlier in the year Lepolo was getting a lot of kudos for her efforts.
I guess that's freshmen. Up and down play.

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RE: WBB: Stanford 67 -- Washington 72 - martyup - 02-05-2023

As much as this loss hurts like a punch in the gut, there are only 6 must-win games left for this team.

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RE: WBB: Stanford 67 -- Washington 72 - mbdude - 02-05-2023

I agree with playing Bosgana more. She can stand in corner as well as Jump drives to the basket much better

Our offense for a while was jump in 1 corner, demetre in other, belibi at corner of key holding ball with jones dribbling around

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RE: WBB: Stanford @ Washington Sunday 12pm - cardfan1996 - 02-05-2023

(02-05-2023, 03:16 PM)martyup Wrote:  

(02-05-2023, 03:10 PM)cardfan1996 Wrote:  

(02-05-2023, 03:07 PM)MV72018 Wrote:  A complete collapse in the crunch, just like we did in Q4 against South Carolina.

This team doesn't do well in tight games. Too bad. Lot of talent but, I'm unthrilled with the coaching and adjustments since the USC loss. 

Haley allegedly switched to the 4 and bringing the ball up most of the time and leading us in assists? Give me a break.

Haley is horrible at the 1 - leading in assist AND turnovers but Lepolo cannot “see” the floor at all. She is a horrible passer in the halfcourt hence why she was on the bench for a long time before Tara brought her back in to seal the deal on the loss.

"Horrible"  Really?

Yes, she has too slow pacing and turns over the ball. And she is also horrible because her coach NEVER sits her to rest. This means Haley is generally tired in the 4th which leads to any shot other than a layup being short, her walking the ball up when we need pace and space, turnovers and poor decision making because of mental fatigue.

I’d like to remind everyone that Haley was dominant in the 4th quarter in the Final Four in 2021. Why? She had legs because she was in foul trouble in the 2nd and sat most of the 2nd plus halftime. And we barely won both games by 1 point.

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RE: WBB: Stanford 67 -- Washington 72 - JohnR34231 - 02-05-2023

(02-05-2023, 03:18 PM)martyup Wrote:  As much as this loss hurts like a punch in the gut, there are only 6 must-win games left for this team.

Don't mean to overreact to a loss, but does anyone seriously think we will win all six of them?
Or was that a facetious comment?

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RE: WBB: Stanford 67 -- Washington 72 - TonyLima - 02-05-2023

Elle Ladine was the difference today. Compare her season stats to this game. 

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RE: WBB: Stanford 67 -- Washington 72 - cardfan1996 - 02-05-2023

(02-05-2023, 03:19 PM)mbdude Wrote:  I agree with playing Bosgana more. She can stand in corner as well as Jump drives to the basket much better

Our offense for a while was jump in 1 corner, demetre in other, belibi at corner of key holding ball with jones dribbling around

But that is one of Stanford’s worst defensive lineups with only Brink being considered “good” or “exceptional” even when sick. You can score against that Stanford lineup easily but there is more spacing on offense that helps Stanford score. That lineup could never get separation for that reason.

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RE: WBB: Stanford 67 -- Washington 72 - martyup - 02-05-2023

Tonight it was rebounding that cost us the game.  This was one of our best shooting games of the season.  We shot 48% -- 44% -- 92.3%.  UW shot 43.1% -- 30% -- 76.2%.

We were out rebounded 34 to 24.  UW had 11 offensive rebounds to our 2.

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RE: WBB: Stanford 67 -- Washington 72 - old spanish trail - 02-05-2023

Sorry to disagree with CardFan and MV, but I thought going big with Haley bringing the ball up was absolutely the right thing to do. I was sorry Tara didn't stick with the big lineup till the end. Unfortunately. even then, Fran understandably got a little tired and Cam was clearly under the weather.
The Fran and Cam duo made sense with Haley at the 3/1 and Demetre and Jump.

Wash doesn't have quick, pesky guards who need to be defended by Agnes. But, those stockier, bigger guards had the game of their lives when compared to 81's statistics. And, Daniels had a great game.They deserved the win.

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RE: WBB: Stanford 67 -- Washington 72 - 81alum - 02-05-2023

This is a deep disappointment, to be sure.  Echoes of USC.  I do disagree with several of the comments above, but I do agree that some emotional disappointment is justified given our talent level and our lack of performance today.

Here are the factors that led to our loss today, in my opinion:

1) Elle Ladine, with relatively few minutes (8th on the team) and a low shooting percentage on the year, gave Washington a massive jolt on offense that we were not prepared for.  This has always been a weakness with "scouting report defense," when someone who is not on the scouting report "goes off" with a career game.  Tara did attempt to adjust and Ladine did not do nearly as well in the second half as in the first, but most of the damage was done, Washington's confidence (and the lead) were up.  She helped them get out to a 10 point lead, and while we recovered, it was 10 points we would have liked back.

2) The other weakness of scouting report defense is that it often works great for Friday games but not as well for Sunday games.  Most of our bad losses over the years do occur on the Sunday game.  The answer is obvious--we have several days to implement the scouting report for Friday, and one day for Sunday.  Clearly we were not as well prepared for Washington as we were for Washington State.  And I imagine there was an emotional let-down after such a joyous win in Pullman.  The classic trap.

3) Rebounding rebounding rebounding.  If you look at the other stats you would think we won--we shot 48% compared with their 43%, we had 16 turnovers while they had 11, but that is not a terrible differential for us, we had 16 assists which is not bad, defensive rebounds were about even.  But what killed us--probably the biggest factor in the loss--was that we had 2 O-boards and Washington had 11 O-boards.  Giving then second and third chances that many times neutralizes defense.

4) Brink played, but perhaps she should not have played.  She did OK, but you could tell she was slower up the court, less accurate in the mid range, and not able to muscle her way in the paint as well as she ordinarily does. 

5) Benny Luna has overtaken Missy as the worst official in the Pac 12.  He may have been terrible for both sides, but that crucial out-bounds call was in error.  The ball changed rotation and was slightly deflected when Daniels scraped it.  A big momentum shift.  And there were other calls too, probably in error on both sides, but none at a more crucial time that that one.  But the game, of course, should never come down to a critical call, and we had more opportunities that we blew after this one.

In sum, our defense recovered somewhat from the Ladine surprise and cut the 30 second quarter points to 15 third quarter points, but could not sustain it.  Our offense showed its usual problems against a team that packs the paint, and while Demetre helped immensely, it was not enough in the end. 

We will drop in the rankings and are now tied with Utah (cheer for Oregon) in the Pac 12.

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