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RE: Canady - BostonCard - 07-27-2024
Wouldn’t a student (athlete or non-athlete) who transfers out of Stanford have to apply to transfer back? And, outside of athletics, the transfer success rate is minimal, so an athlete who exhausted eligibility and wants to transfer back would be facing long odds.
BC
RE: Canady - GK3 - 07-27-2024
(07-27-2024, 05:00 PM)BostonCard Wrote: Wouldn’t a student (athlete or non-athlete) who transfers out of Stanford have to apply to transfer back? And, outside of athletics, the transfer success rate is minimal, so an athlete who exhausted eligibility and wants to transfer back would be facing long odds.I thought that the magic number was 2. If he or she completed two years at Stanford, then they could come back and get their degree without a lot of hassel.
BC
RE: Canady - PVTree - 07-27-2024
I see it as Stanford prepares you to be a professional X (area of study/selected sport/etc.).
It's one thing to go pro...Stanford did it's mission to prepare you for your selected career, and you are welcome to return to get your degree (Terry, Jacobsen, etc.).
It's another thing to go to another school (if NIL gold was the objective, should have signed elsewhere from the start). Stanford should not be a springboard to go to another school and then comeback. That's not Stanford's mission.
You transfer out of Stanford to go to another school, you forgo the opportunity to get a Stanford degree. Decisions have consequences, and this should be the "downside" for anyone making the decision to chase the NIL $$$.
RE: Canady - Mick - 07-27-2024
(07-27-2024, 05:20 PM)PVTree Wrote: I see it as Stanford prepares you to be a professional X (area of study/selected sport/etc.).
It's one thing to go pro...Stanford did it's mission to prepare you for your selected career, and you are welcome to return to get your degree (Terry, Jacobsen, etc.).
It's another thing to go to another school (if NIL gold was the objective, should have signed elsewhere from the start). Stanford should not be a springboard to go to another school and then comeback. That's not Stanford's mission.
You transfer out of Stanford to go to another school, you forgo the opportunity to get a Stanford degree. Decisions have consequences, and this should be the "downside" for anyone making the decision to chase the NIL $$$.
+1
RE: Canady - cardfan77 - 07-27-2024
PVTree dateline='[url=tel:1722126028' Wrote: 1722126028[/url]']
I see it as Stanford prepares you to be a professional X (area of study/selected sport/etc.).
It's one thing to go pro...Stanford did it's mission to prepare you for your selected career, and you are welcome to return to get your degree (Terry, Jacobsen, etc.).
It's another thing to go to another school (if NIL gold was the objective, should have signed elsewhere from the start). Stanford should not be a springboard to go to another school and then comeback. That's not Stanford's mission.
You transfer out of Stanford to go to another school, you forgo the opportunity to get a Stanford degree. Decisions have consequences, and this should be the "downside" for anyone making the decision to chase the NIL $$$.
This!
RE: Canady - MV72018 - 07-27-2024
(07-27-2024, 08:40 PM)cardfan77 Wrote:PVTree dateline='[url=tel:1722126028' Wrote: 1722126028[/url]']
I see it as Stanford prepares you to be a professional X (area of study/selected sport/etc.).
It's one thing to go pro...Stanford did it's mission to prepare you for your selected career, and you are welcome to return to get your degree (Terry, Jacobsen, etc.).
It's another thing to go to another school (if NIL gold was the objective, should have signed elsewhere from the start). Stanford should not be a springboard to go to another school and then comeback. That's not Stanford's mission.
You transfer out of Stanford to go to another school, you forgo the opportunity to get a Stanford degree. Decisions have consequences, and this should be the "downside" for anyone making the decision to chase the NIL $$$.
This!
That "This!"!
RE: Canady - Jskass - 07-28-2024
At least Kiki Iriafen got her degree first, which clearly is feasible in three years considering AP credits upon entrance and having to spend parts of summer at Stanford. Is softball similar or different - as this clearly impacts a player's ability to do so and get the NIL for a year AFTER completing graduation requirements?
RE: Canady - ca245 - 07-28-2024
Isn't the discussion of Canady coming back to Stanford after Texas Tech and NIL to get her Stanford degree sort of moot? If she spends two year at Texas Tech in addition to her two years already at Stanford, won't she (probably) have enough units to graduate from Texas Tech?
Unless, if she is, say, one required course short of her degree and wants to come back to Stanford to take that course? Would Stanford have any rules against that?
RE: Canady - 82lsju - 07-28-2024
(07-28-2024, 08:21 AM)ca245 Wrote: Isn't the discussion of Canady coming back to Stanford after Texas Tech and NIL to get her Stanford degree sort of moot? If she spends two year at Texas Tech in addition to her two years already at Stanford, won't she (probably) have enough units to graduate from Texas Tech?
Unless, if she is, say, one required course short of her degree and wants to come back to Stanford to take that course? Would Stanford have any rules against that?
guessing here, but she could in theory bring back 90 credits (at least you used to be able to have up to 90 credits from elsewhere). I would assume whatever degree she was completing she'd have to get that department to agree that she had fulfilled all of their requirements in terms of coursework which may or may not be difficult to do.
RE: Canady - Goose - 07-28-2024
(07-28-2024, 10:15 AM)82lsju Wrote: guessing here, but she could in theory bring back 90 credits (at least you used to be able to have up to 90 credits from elsewhere). I would assume whatever degree she was completing she'd have to get that department to agree that she had fulfilled all of their requirements in terms of coursework which may or may not be difficult to do.According to https://studentservices.stanford.edu/my-academics/earn-my-degree/undergraduate-degree-progress/undergraduate-degree-requirements a transfer student must complete a minimum of 90 units at Stanford to graduate. That is half of the 180 unit minimum. They could in theory bring another 90 from their previous school. Of course, Stanford will often not accept units earned elsewhere because they are not "equivalent". This is in fact true with most universities. There is therefore often a "penalty" for earning units at multiple schools. In many cases it is arguably just a way for some schools to make more money. A non-transfer student must complete a minimum of 135 units at Stanford to graduate, 3/4 of the 180 unit minimum. If someone is "returning" to Stanford (not transferring) presumably the 135 unit minimum would apply.
RE: Canady - oldalum - 07-28-2024
I looked up some facts to clarify the return policy.
To leave, you need to apply for an official Leave of Absence. If you leave without a LOA, or if you have a LOA but do not return after you have used up the maximum total of 8 quarters of LOA that are allowed, you will formally become a “Discontinued” student and the University is not obliged to reinstate you (you have to apply for reinstatement, and the bases for that decision are not given). A LOA requires approval by “your undergraduate Advising Director” and by the Dean of Students Office. (I do not know how restrictive those approvals are, but I would guess they have been mostly if not completely permissive). A LOA can be for up to one year, but then you can apply for an additional year (again I do not know how restrictive they are on granting these).
While on a LOA, you can receive transfer credit for classes at another university, but only a maximum total of 45 quarter units of transfer credit units will be credited by Stanford (including any AP and IB credits and any outside credits previously transferred). You must get approval from your undergraduate Advising Director to take courses while away; if approval is granted, you must submit a transfer credit form to the Registrar with the course syllabus and identify the matching Stanford course.
You can try to scheme out what this might mean for various options for Canady. One year away to cash in the $ and then return for her senior year might be possible, but I’m skeptical that she’d get approval to become a full-time student at another university to play basketball, even for a year, on a LOA. Why not take those courses at Stanford? I doubt that the dean of students (and the athletic department) would be in favor of a LOA to play for the other school! But who knows?
I doubt Stanford would give her approval to graduate with a degree from another university—counting her Stanford credits as transfer units—after two years, then return, take 45 units at Stanford, and get a Stanford degree too. She’d have to stop short of graduating from the other university, get up to 45 units of transfer credit, and complete the required 180 units at Stanford (along with meeting the major's requirements--I saw somewhere that if you've already declared a major when applying for a LOA, you should or have to consult with the major department about what they will require of you to satisfy the major's requirements). But spending 2 years away would require getting approval to extend the LOA for a second year.
(07-28-2024, 12:22 PM)Goose Wrote: Stanford will often not accept units earned elsewhere because they are not "equivalent" This is in fact true with most universities. There is therefore often a "penalty" for earning units at multiple schools. In many cases it is arguably just a way for some schools to make more money. A non-transfer student must complete a minimum of 135 units at Stanford to graduate, 3/4 of the 180 unit minimum. If someone is "returning" to Stanford (not transferring) presumably the 135 unit minimum would apply.That is correct.
I have some family experience with that "penalty" for transferring outside course credit. While my daughter was an undergraduate elsewhere, she took a year of Organic Chemistry at Stanford one summer (along with many Stanford undergrads) so that she could study overseas for one semester (too many one-year courses required for med school to permit that otherwise). When her university reviewed the detailed Stanford syllabus for that organic chemistry course, it determined that one lecture that was part of her school's course was not included in Stanford's, so it granted her 7.8 semester units of credit instead of the full 8! I had no idea how microscopically the university would scrutinize outside classes for comparable content! Since a full year of Organic Chemistry is required by most med schools, this caused us some consternation until we realized that what's on Stanford's transcript would be what the med schools would be looking at, not what credit her own school granted.
RE: Canady - Goose - 07-28-2024
(07-28-2024, 01:00 PM)oldalum Wrote: I looked up some facts to clarify the return policy.
To leave, you need to apply for an official Leave of Absence. If you leave without a LOA, or if you have a LOA but do not return after you have used up the maximum total of 8 quarters of LOA that are allowed, you will formally become a “Discontinued” student and the University is not obliged to reinstate you (you have to apply for reinstatement, and the bases for that decision are not given). A LOA requires approval by “your undergraduate Advising Director” and by the Dean of Students Office. (I do not know how restrictive those approvals are, but I would guess they have been mostly if not completely permissive). A LOA can be for up to one year, but then you can apply for an additional year (again I do not know how restrictive they are on granting these).
Thank you very much for looking up the facts. What a quaint notion :-).
I don't know how rigorously "policy" is enforced today. The cases I am familiar with (early 70s) indicate that "discontinued" students are administratively granted reinstatement essentially routinely and immediately if the student left in good standing. You may not get reinstated exactly when you want if there is some kind of a crunch and there is no space. One of the students I know about had to go back home because his father was dying and the mother simply couldn't deal with it. He did apply for an LOA but left before it was actually granted. He was gone for an academic year and he did take a light load at the local college while he was gone. He came back, told his story and was reinstated immediately. He got to transfer some of his units without having any prior approval. That was no issue at all, except for the courses they simply wouldn't accept period. Another student had what amounted to a nervous breakdown. She left with no notice to anybody and definitely no LOA. When she returned after missing two quarters she too was immediately reinstated. The third case I know about is a bit different. The student had had significant academic problems, arguably due to a form of depression but that wasn't something Stanford cared about at the time. In any case he just left Stanford. No LOA or paperwork at all. He didn't know if he would ever be back and at the time doubted he would be. He was on academic probation at the time (end of junior year). He was gone for about 14 months. When he got his act together he applied to be reinstated. He had to jump through some hoops and have his advisor write a letter for him, but he was reinstated (but on probation still :-). All of these people graduated eventually. The idea that once you were in, you were in was pretty solid in those years. I don't know what the case is today, but I suspect it isn't much different. If you have a reasonable story they will reinstate you. Of course, you will probably lose any financial aid you previously had from Stanford, but not necessarily.
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While on a LOA, you can receive transfer credit for classes at another university, but only a maximum total of 45 quarter units of transfer credit units are allowed will be credited by Stanford degree (including any AP and IB credits and any outside credits previously transferred). As Goose pointed out, if you transfer in after 2 years elsewhere you can count 90 units, but if you started at Stanford you are allowed only up to 45 transfer credits. You must get approval from your undergraduate Advising Director to take courses while away; if approval is granted, you must submit a transfer credit form to the Registrar with the course syllabus and identify the matching Stanford course.
You can try to scheme out what this might mean for various options for Canady. One year away to cash in the $ and then return for her senior year might be possible, but I’m skeptical that she’d get approval to become a full-time student at another university to play basketball, even for a year, on a LOA. Why not take those courses at Stanford? I doubt that the dean of students and the athletic department would both honor the reason for the LOA of playing for the other school! But who knows—maybe Goose has the pulse of 2024 college athletics correct?
If anything what I "know" may be very outdated. At that time the administration was very accommodating even for people who didn't follow the formal process. If you had a good reason, you were "forgiven" pretty easily. I would argue going elsewhere to make say $2.4 million would be a pretty good reason. It also probable that asking for forgiveness works at least as well as asking for permission. You can claim "I didn't know" :-). If one believes Stanford's raison d'être is to educate students, not to field sports teams then it doesn't matter at all whether you participated in athletics at another school. You have returned to finish the education you started at Stanford, and that should be considered a "good thing". It is still the 40 year decision.
Quote:I doubt Stanford would give her approval to graduate with a degree from another university—counting her Stanford credits as transfer units—after two years, then return, take 45 units at Stanford, and get a Stanford degree too. She’d have to stop short of graduating from the other university, get up to 45 units of transfer credit, and complete the required 180 units at Stanford (along with meeting the major's requirements--I saw somewhere that if you've already declared a major when applying for a LOA, you should or have to consult with the major department about what they will require of you to satisfy the major's requirements). But spending 2 years away would require getting approval to extend the LOA for a second year.
In point of fact I expect that few athletes that are eligible to graduate from their final "landing spot" will even want to return. Take the degree and move on. Undoubtedly you will take a big haircut in units even if Stanford does reinstate you. You also can only transfer 45 units (max). If you took reasonable loads at your destination you should have about 90 units. If you have any AP credits the haircut is even worse. It will cost you an extra year basically. Nobody is going to do that.
You can't transfer units that have already been used for a degree at another university. That isn't even a matter of obtaining "approval". You can't do it. You may be allowed to avoid some required courses if you already have taken them elsewhere, but you won't get to use the units.
RE: Canady - Vandelay - 07-29-2024
Canady's transfer a sign of trouble for Stanford athletics
RE: Canady - qwerty49 - 07-29-2024
(07-29-2024, 09:48 AM)Vandelay Wrote: Canady's transfer a sign of trouble for Stanford athletics
Paywalled. Care to summarize?
RE: Canady - Jamesy - 07-29-2024
Some good details about how Canady landed in Lubbock. https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/5664181/2024/07/29/nijaree-canady-texas-tech-nil-million-dollar-contract/?source=emp_shared_article
RE: Canady - Goose - 07-29-2024
(07-29-2024, 12:42 PM)Jamesy Wrote: Some good details about how Canady landed in Lubbock. https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/5664181/2024/07/29/nijaree-canady-texas-tech-nil-million-dollar-contract/?source=emp_shared_articleThanks for the link. Lots of good information there.
RE: Canady - M T - 07-29-2024
(07-29-2024, 11:35 AM)qwerty49 Wrote:That link was to the Chron. I do not subscribe now but was able to read the article after closing the "25-cents to subscribe" pop-up.(07-29-2024, 09:48 AM)Vandelay Wrote: Canady's transfer a sign of trouble for Stanford athletics
Paywalled. Care to summarize?
People drop NYTimes and WSJ links in the Cardboard all the time without summarizing. Sigh...
RE: Canady - oldalum - 07-30-2024
(07-29-2024, 11:15 PM)M T Wrote:non-subscribers to the Times can read a limited number of free articles per month (I think 10?), so create a free account and try clicking the links. I don't know what the Chron's policy is, I suspect they allow some number of free articles which is how you were able to read the Chron article.(07-29-2024, 11:35 AM)qwerty49 Wrote:That link was to the Chron. I do not subscribe now but was able to read the article after closing the "25-cents to subscribe" pop-up.(07-29-2024, 09:48 AM)Vandelay Wrote: Canady's transfer a sign of trouble for Stanford athletics
Paywalled. Care to summarize?
People drop NYTimes and WSJ links in the Cardboard all the time without summarizing. Sigh...
Subscribers to both the Chron and The NY Times can gift 10 free articles to share a month, and the links (at least for the Times) are good for multiple users. Let me know if this gift article link for a story on Ledecky's dominance in the 1500 works for more than one of you. if so I'll try to post gift links when possible.
RE: Canady - 82lsju - 07-30-2024
(07-30-2024, 07:13 AM)oldalum Wrote: non-subscribers to the Times can read a limited number of free articles per month (I think 10?), so create a free account and try clicking the links. I don't know what the Chron's policy is, I suspect they allow some number of free articles which is how you were able to read the Chron article.
Subscribers to both the Chron and The NY Times can gift 10 free articles to share a month, and the links (at least for the Times) are good for multiple users. Let me know if this gift article link for a story on Ledecky's dominance in the 1500 works for more than one of you. if so I'll try to post gift links when possible.
non-subscribers to the NYTimes (at least those with a Santa Clara County Library card) can get what appears to be an unlimited number of three day passes to the NYTimes, you log in to your library account, go to their e-news sections, select the NYTimes, choose your access type and hit redeem and get three days of access. After three days repeat.
RE: Canady - Vandelay - 07-30-2024
I will make the suggestion (and I'm sure it will be an unpopular one) that Stanford should peel off a billion dollars from their $40B endowment, invest it conservatively in securities returning 5%, and use the returns to fund NIL and athletics. That would be a game changer. Stanford could be a net winner in the portal/NIL game rather than a net loser.