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RE: Grading Kate Paye's 1st Season - PVTree - 03-31-2025
I think Green and Papa are still walk-ons this year. The new rules (limit of 15) may force KP to choose between them if Miles shows interest in Stanford.
This would not be as if Stanford is rescinding a scholie from a S-A that already has one. It is a S-A that does not have a scholie still not having one and new NCAA rules preventing them from being on the team.
Of course, this is assuming that Green nor Papa were promised to be on scholie next year.
RE: Grading Kate Paye's 1st Season - 2006alum - 03-31-2025
(03-31-2025, 05:54 PM)OCcardinal Wrote:I'd be very eager to see similar results from every rip-off next season. =)(03-31-2025, 12:41 PM)JohnR34231 Wrote: McDonalds AA game is tomorrow. It will be interesting to see how our recruits do.Some great plays from all 3 commits in yesterday's scrimmage. If nothing else, check out the opening tip from Somfai to Swain, which immediately leads to a basket. McDonald's Girls AA 2025 - 1st Scrimmage
RE: Grading Kate Paye's 1st Season - PalmTree - 03-31-2025
I'd for sure be happy if we can get her in. Did see an interesting twist in that she'd be a grad transfer, but had already been accepted to and taking classes in a grad program at UCB this past year (she was an early enrollee) - is switching grad programs mid-stream common?
RE: Grading Kate Paye's 1st Season - Spiny_Norman - 03-31-2025
Miles wants to play for a NC. If she has determined that ND is not the place for that to happen, there are only a handful of schools she might consider - LSU, USC, UCLA, UConn.
RE: Grading Kate Paye's 1st Season - Card10Fan - 03-31-2025
(03-31-2025, 07:46 PM)Spiny_Norman Wrote: Miles wants to play for a NC. If she has determined that ND is not the place for that to happen, there are only a handful of schools she might consider - LSU, USC, UCLA, UConn.
Agreed. If she’s graduating this spring with her ND degree. I’m guessing this bonus year will be focused on finding a team that is Final 4 good and heavy on NIL money. Maybe USC (with Juju likely rehabbing all next year), LSU, or South Carolina would be my best guesses.
RE: Grading Kate Paye's 1st Season - TheFarm07 - 03-31-2025
https://x.com/skimmilkey/status/1906895046919553147?s=46
RE: Grading Kate Paye's 1st Season - PVTree - 03-31-2025
If true, it debunks the thought that she's looking for a championship team. TCU loses VanLith, Agnes, and Prince. I doubt that they will make the E8 next year.
RE: Grading Kate Paye's 1st Season - CompSci87 - 04-01-2025
(03-31-2025, 06:56 PM)PVTree Wrote: I think Green and Papa are still walk-ons this year. The new rules (limit of 15) may force KP to choose between them if Miles shows interest in Stanford.
This would not be as if Stanford is rescinding a scholie from a S-A that already has one. It is a S-A that does not have a scholie still not having one and new NCAA rules preventing them from being on the team.
Of course, this is assuming that Green nor Papa were promised to be on scholie next year.
Papadaki was a regular signee, not a walkon who was a granted a year by year scholarship. https://gostanford.com/news/2022/05/26/cardinal-adds-stavi-papadaki-to-incoming-class
RE: Grading Kate Paye's 1st Season - JohnR34231 - 04-01-2025
(03-31-2025, 08:11 PM)Card10Fan Wrote:(03-31-2025, 07:46 PM)Spiny_Norman Wrote: Miles wants to play for a NC. If she has determined that ND is not the place for that to happen, there are only a handful of schools she might consider - LSU, USC, UCLA, UConn.
Agreed. If she’s graduating this spring with her ND degree. I’m guessing this bonus year will be focused on finding a team that is Final 4 good and heavy on NIL money. Maybe USC (with Juju likely rehabbing all next year), LSU, or South Carolina would be my best guesses.
If she wants an NC I think UCLA would be her best bet. They have just about everyone back from this year's team and pick up Betts' sister who is one of the top HS recruits in the nation (some say the top recruit). Not sure where they stand in the NIL derby though and they may be so good anyway they don't feel the need to pay big NIL money to an addition.
RE: Grading Kate Paye's 1st Season - BostonCard - 04-01-2025
(03-31-2025, 08:31 PM)PVTree Wrote:If true, it debunks the thought that she's looking for a championship team. TCU loses VanLith, Agnes, and Prince. I doubt that they will make the E8 next year.
Why? The pitch now is “come to [TCU] and be part of the transfer super-team we are assembling along with x, y, and a”. Making a decision on the basis of “returning talent” is almost not relevant, since returning talent can depart and a depleted roster is just an opportunity to bring in more transfers.
BC
RE: Grading Kate Paye's 1st Season - PVTree - 04-01-2025
Don't disagree that there's a chance, but, if her goal is a championship, she will want to go to a team where the pieces are already in place and not go to a team that may or may not be able to get other pieces in place.
Who's out there that can join her at TCU to have a team that can beat UCLA, Yukon, SoCar? They'll need to get at least 2 more players of her caliber to make a run.
If she wants a championship, it's safer to go to a team where she already knows what pieces will be in place.
RE: Grading Kate Paye's 1st Season - M T - 04-01-2025
The equations of no assurance of a player staying for more than a year plus NIL cost and roster limits get more complicated when a player has a long term injury. If JuJu can’t play next year, what happens about NIL payments, roster limits, medical & rehab costs. In today’s rules, it seems USC might cover those, and then she jumps to another school once she is healthy enough to play. (AIUI, it would be improper for a NIL payment to be contingent on where she plays the next year.
RE: Grading Kate Paye's 1st Season - jonnyss - 04-01-2025
(04-01-2025, 04:19 AM)JohnR34231 Wrote:(03-31-2025, 08:11 PM)Card10Fan Wrote:(03-31-2025, 07:46 PM)Spiny_Norman Wrote: Miles wants to play for a NC. If she has determined that ND is not the place for that to happen, there are only a handful of schools she might consider - LSU, USC, UCLA, UConn.
Agreed. If she’s graduating this spring with her ND degree. I’m guessing this bonus year will be focused on finding a team that is Final 4 good and heavy on NIL money. Maybe USC (with Juju likely rehabbing all next year), LSU, or South Carolina would be my best guesses.
If she wants an NC I think UCLA would be her best bet. They have just about everyone back from this year's team and pick up Betts' sister who is one of the top HS recruits in the nation (some say the top recruit). Not sure where they stand in the NIL derby though and they may be so good anyway they don't feel the need to pay big NIL money to an addition.
final 4 good plus in need of a point guard. she was 2nd fiddle at nd.
RE: Grading Kate Paye's 1st Season - Card10Fan - 01-26-2026
Let's revisit this post, now in Coach Paye season 2, does it feel like the coaching has improved this year?
From watching most of the games this season in person and the rest on tv.
-We are a team that doesn’t have any offensive identity
-A team that consistently has way turnovers than assists.
-A team that doesn't seem to put players in positions to use their skillset to the fullest offensively
-A team that lacks fundamentals (missed layups, turnovers)
-A team that does not look much improved from the start of the season
I love our players and understand we are incredibly dependent on young players. We also have 3 juniors that play a ton of minutes and a SR point guard that started as freshman on a very talented roster. It starts and ends with coaching. I would say I've been somewhat disappointed yet again. I will be especially bummed if we miss out on the NCAA tourney again which is a real possibility at the moment.
RE: Grading Kate Paye's 1st Season - BostonCard - 01-26-2026
We are a slightly below-average ACC team offensively (10th out of 18 in offensive efficiency) and an above average (3rd in the ACC) defensive efficiency team.
Compared to last year, we’ve become less efficient offensively but much more efficient defensively.
We do have a fair bit of freshman time on the team. Cumulatively they are responsible for 32% of the available minutes on the team, which is a fair bit, but this is still a junior oriented team (they are cumulatively responsible for about 47% of available minutes), so I think your critique is fair. I would say that Agara has been good this year, but the last couple of games have been down games for her, which is a worrying signal. Ogden probably showed the most improvement year-on-year, which is what you hope from someone with a lot of potential. The complaint about expecting more out of Lepolo is a bit odd, given that most posters on this board want to see less of her, but I get the thrust that while we depend a fair bit on freshmen, we are not totally inexperienced.
I think falling short of a tourney, which as you point out is a real possibility, would make this a disappointing season. We have made progress compared to last season, particularly on the (less glamourous) defensive side of the ball, and I do think that in the absence of someone like Brink who is a defensive eraser, solid team defense represents good coaching. But I agree with the critiques about the offense, and it does seem like there is a “missing piece” in there that the coaches haven’t cracked. Perhaps we had all hoped for a bit more out of Swain as a point guard or better use of our assets at the post (Agara and Somfai). Perhaps that will come with time.
BC
RE: Grading Kate Paye's 1st Season - martyup - 01-26-2026
Stanford's WBB team not making the NCAA tourney two years in a row is simply unacceptable. Thanks to Tara, Stanford has the winning reputation to attract the talent to be a top 25 team every year. If we fall short again this season, KP should be fired because she either didn't pull in the talent needed or didn't coach well enough. With two non-tourney seasons under her belt, it will be difficult for her to attract the players needed. I hope she can turn it around in the next several weeks.
RE: Grading Kate Paye's 1st Season - Spiny_Norman - 01-26-2026
(01-26-2026, 07:39 PM)BostonCard Wrote: We are a slightly below-average ACC team offensively (10th out of 18 in offensive efficiency) and an above average (3rd in the ACC) defensive efficiency team.
BC, are you able to get those efficiency numbers for ACC games only?
RE: Grading Kate Paye's 1st Season - BostonCard - 01-26-2026
(01-26-2026, 08:42 PM)Spiny_Norman Wrote:(01-26-2026, 07:39 PM)BostonCard Wrote: We are a slightly below-average ACC team offensively (10th out of 18 in offensive efficiency) and an above average (3rd in the ACC) defensive efficiency team.
BC, are you able to get those efficiency numbers for ACC games only?
FYI, I’m using Bart Torvik’s data: https://barttorvik.com/ncaaw/conf.php?year=2026&conf=ACC
There must be a way, but right now when I click on the “conference only” checkbox, it only makes the changes on the conference efficiency map and not the table. Qualitatively, conference only Stanford’s offense is consistent, the defense worsens a little bit. Torvik makes his data downloadable, so one of these days I’ll write a script to download and analyze it.
BC
RE: Grading Kate Paye's 1st Season - Griffins78 - 01-26-2026
I thought Charmin out coached Kate last night.
Cal maneuvered to get wide open 3s against our vaunted scout defense while we pass and dribble around the perimeter and had difficulty getting 3s. Cal has lost several close games to top teams because they fade late in the game with a short bench. Instead of substituting to get fresh legs we kept the same players in almost the entire 4th & OT. Our team was tired and sluggish. We dribbled and passed the ball around and had numerous empty possessions. Then with time running out we no sense of urgency. We dribbled and passed the ball around. We didn’t press. We didn’t substitute so our starting players had to make fouls. At the end we had 4 of our top players in with 4 fouls each. We had the opportunity but did not substitute so Somfai - the player that made the 3 to send us to OT fouled out.
I’m beginning to really lose confidence in Kate’s coaching ability.
RE: Grading Kate Paye's 1st Season - BostonCard - 01-26-2026
(01-26-2026, 08:31 PM)martyup Wrote: Stanford's WBB team not making the NCAA tourney two years in a row is simply unacceptable. Thanks to Tara, Stanford has the winning reputation to attract the talent to be a top 25 team every year. If we fall short again this season, KP should be fired because she either didn't pull in the talent needed or didn't coach well enough. With two non-tourney seasons under her belt, it will be difficult for her to attract the players needed. I hope she can turn it around in the next several weeks.
Until her last few years, Tara didn’t have to deal with the transfer portal, but it started to bite a few years ago in ways that are affecting the current team (eg, Lauren Betts and Indya Nivar are starting at UCLA and UNC, respectively). Until her last year here, Tara didn’t have to deal with other teams offering players 6 figure NIL deals. That is the current reality, and until we know how the NIL/House settlement money settles out, any comparisons of recruiting, retention, and results between the pre-2020 state of affairs and the post-2025 state of affairs will be apples-to-oranges.
Don’t get me wrong, Paye may well not be the right person to follow Tara. But I’m not ready to write her off either (even if we fail to make the tournament).
BC