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RE: [merged] Giants/Niners 2021 thread - teejers1 - 08-26-2021
(08-26-2021, 12:02 PM)Giants Wrote:(08-26-2021, 11:20 AM)Leftcoast Wrote:(08-26-2021, 08:57 AM)Phogge Wrote: Watched a bit of Blake Snell vs the Dodgers. Unhittable. So he goes further than ever, 7 2/3. Oh my! goes the Padre staff, pitch count! Padres piss away the game late, very late (16 innings).
You must have LOVED the Giants game last night when Mets manager Luis Rojas pulled starting pitcher Taijuan Walker after two weak bloop hits. Next batter doubled to win the game for the Giants.
Rojas is justifiably getting slammed by the NY press.
2014 NLDS Game 4 Matt Williams
2020 World Series Game 6 Kevin Cash
The two best recent examples of managers making an obvious mistake (no hindsight required, it was so evident at the moment) by pulling the starting pitcher.
2016 NLDS, Bochy pulling Moore in ninth inning in Game 4 (in best of 5 series). Just effing brutal!
BTW, it wasn't even two hits last night when manager pulled the starter. It was an error by 3B, and then a flare that the RF could have had (and maybe should have had - though CF and 2B didn't help out much). That managerial decision quite likely led to Giants victory. Crawford hit game-winning (ultimately) 2-run double on the first pitch thrown by the lefty reliever.
Honestly, it's Ws like last night (a lot of luck involved) that fuel the belief that "the Giants can't keep this up." The Giants had 4 measly hits, yet scored 3 runs and won 3-2 (even though Mets had 10+(?) hits). But we'll see. The Padres did the Gyros no favors last night.
RE: [merged] Giants/Niners 2021 thread - terry - 08-26-2021
(08-26-2021, 08:57 AM)Phogge Wrote: Watched a bit of Blake Snell vs the Dodgers. Unhittable. So he goes further than ever, 7 2/3. Oh my! goes the Padre staff, pitch count! Padres piss away the game late, very late (16 innings).
The Padres' real problem last night was that they got only one hit in the last 11 innings of the game. The Padres left 14 runners on base in extra innings (including 6 who were placed on second base to start the inning). The Dodgers issued 8 intentional walks in extra innings so that they could get at the hitters they wanted to face, and none of those hitters delivered a hit for the Padres.
RE: [merged] Giants/Niners 2021 thread - Giants - 08-26-2021
(08-26-2021, 12:41 PM)teejers1 Wrote:(08-26-2021, 12:02 PM)Giants Wrote:(08-26-2021, 11:20 AM)Leftcoast Wrote:(08-26-2021, 08:57 AM)Phogge Wrote: Watched a bit of Blake Snell vs the Dodgers. Unhittable. So he goes further than ever, 7 2/3. Oh my! goes the Padre staff, pitch count! Padres piss away the game late, very late (16 innings).
You must have LOVED the Giants game last night when Mets manager Luis Rojas pulled starting pitcher Taijuan Walker after two weak bloop hits. Next batter doubled to win the game for the Giants.
Rojas is justifiably getting slammed by the NY press.
2014 NLDS Game 4 Matt Williams
2020 World Series Game 6 Kevin Cash
The two best recent examples of managers making an obvious mistake (no hindsight required, it was so evident at the moment) by pulling the starting pitcher.
2016 NLDS, Bochy pulling Moore in ninth inning in Game 4 (in best of 5 series). Just effing brutal!
BTW, it wasn't even two hits last night when manager pulled the starter. It was an error by 3B, and then a flare that the RF could have had (and maybe should have had - though CF and 2B didn't help out much). That managerial decision quite likely led to Giants victory. Crawford hit game-winning (ultimately) 2-run double on the first pitch thrown by the lefty reliever.
Honestly, it's Ws like last night (a lot of luck involved) that fuel the belief that "the Giants can't keep this up." The Giants had 4 measly hits, yet scored 3 runs and won 3-2 (even though Mets had 10+(?) hits). But we'll see. The Padres did the Gyros no favors last night.
To the contrary, it is wins like last night, along with the two v. Oakland last weekend, several improbable wins v. LA earlier in the season, and some weird finishes v. Mil. and Arizona that cause me to think, hmmmm, maybe there is more to this season than we think. I am not a believer in mysticism but I do believe that confidence in yourself and your teammates to succeed in critical moments of a game is a powerful tool.
lex24 - lex24 - 08-26-2021
(08-26-2021, 12:41 PM)teejers1 Wrote:(08-26-2021, 12:02 PM)Giants Wrote:(08-26-2021, 11:20 AM)Leftcoast Wrote:(08-26-2021, 08:57 AM)Phogge Wrote: Watched a bit of Blake Snell vs the Dodgers. Unhittable. So he goes further than ever, 7 2/3. Oh my! goes the Padre staff, pitch count! Padres piss away the game late, very late (16 innings).
You must have LOVED the Giants game last night when Mets manager Luis Rojas pulled starting pitcher Taijuan Walker after two weak bloop hits. Next batter doubled to win the game for the Giants.
Rojas is justifiably getting slammed by the NY press.
2014 NLDS Game 4 Matt Williams
2020 World Series Game 6 Kevin Cash
The two best recent examples of managers making an obvious mistake (no hindsight required, it was so evident at the moment) by pulling the starting pitcher.
2016 NLDS, Bochy pulling Moore in ninth inning in Game 4 (in best of 5 series). Just effing brutal!
BTW, it wasn't even two hits last night when manager pulled the starter. It was an error by 3B, and then a flare that the RF could have had (and maybe should have had - though CF and 2B didn't help out much). That managerial decision quite likely led to Giants victory. Crawford hit game-winning (ultimately) 2-run double on the first pitch thrown by the lefty reliever.
Honestly, it's Ws like last night (a lot of luck involved) that fuel the belief that "the Giants can't keep this up." The Giants had 4 measly hits, yet scored 3 runs and won 3-2 (even though Mets had 10+(?) hits). But we'll see. The Padres did the Gyros no favors last night.
You love to bring up that 2016 game. Probably only move Bochy made in 10 post game series that didn’t work…
RE: [merged] Giants/Niners 2021 thread - BostonCard - 08-26-2021
Bochy won three world series with the Giants and won way more than any Padre fan had a right to expect, but he made one bad call, so look how smart Teejers is.
BC
RE: [merged] Giants/Niners 2021 thread - BobK - 08-26-2021
Still another win 3-2. Giants keep in rolling and a one run win again. Just might be doing the little things. Like Mets had 13 base runners yet scored only 2 runs.
RE: [merged] Giants/Niners 2021 thread - BostonCard - 08-26-2021
Should have been 4-2:
https://www.espn.com/video/clip/_/id/32092212
OTOH, if you have bases loaded and no outs and a 3-1 count, and fail to score, that's not good, even with a bad strike call. Estrada hit into a fielder's choice, Bryant struck out, and Crawford popped out. Good thing the Mets stranded 9 and hit into two DPs.
BC
RE: [merged] Giants/Niners 2021 thread - Giants - 08-26-2021
(08-26-2021, 07:42 PM)BostonCard Wrote: Should have been 4-2:
https://www.espn.com/video/clip/_/id/32092212
OTOH, if you have bases loaded and no outs and a 3-1 count, and fail to score, that's not good, even with a bad strike call. Estrada hit into a fielder's choice, Bryant struck out, and Crawford popped out. Good thing the Mets stranded 9 and hit into two DPs.
BC
After the bad call that went in the Giants’ favor when Ruf was batting v. LA last month, Giants fans can’t complain about any calls that go against them for the rest of the season. :)
RE: [merged] Giants/Niners 2021 thread - BostonCard - 08-26-2021
Im no giants fan, so..
Separately, I saw this.
https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/32091672/san-francisco-giants-buster-posey-knee-brandon-belt-bereavement-list
BC
RE: lex24 - teejers1 - 08-26-2021
(08-26-2021, 05:08 PM)lex24 Wrote:(08-26-2021, 12:41 PM)teejers1 Wrote:(08-26-2021, 12:02 PM)Giants Wrote:(08-26-2021, 11:20 AM)Leftcoast Wrote:(08-26-2021, 08:57 AM)Phogge Wrote: Watched a bit of Blake Snell vs the Dodgers. Unhittable. So he goes further than ever, 7 2/3. Oh my! goes the Padre staff, pitch count! Padres piss away the game late, very late (16 innings).
You must have LOVED the Giants game last night when Mets manager Luis Rojas pulled starting pitcher Taijuan Walker after two weak bloop hits. Next batter doubled to win the game for the Giants.
Rojas is justifiably getting slammed by the NY press.
2014 NLDS Game 4 Matt Williams
2020 World Series Game 6 Kevin Cash
The two best recent examples of managers making an obvious mistake (no hindsight required, it was so evident at the moment) by pulling the starting pitcher.
2016 NLDS, Bochy pulling Moore in ninth inning in Game 4 (in best of 5 series). Just effing brutal!
BTW, it wasn't even two hits last night when manager pulled the starter. It was an error by 3B, and then a flare that the RF could have had (and maybe should have had - though CF and 2B didn't help out much). That managerial decision quite likely led to Giants victory. Crawford hit game-winning (ultimately) 2-run double on the first pitch thrown by the lefty reliever.
Honestly, it's Ws like last night (a lot of luck involved) that fuel the belief that "the Giants can't keep this up." The Giants had 4 measly hits, yet scored 3 runs and won 3-2 (even though Mets had 10+(?) hits). But we'll see. The Padres did the Gyros no favors last night.
You love to bring up that 2016 game. Probably only move Bochy made in 10 post game series that didn’t work…
Loved Bochy.
But the WTF decisions are always the ones I remember most for any coach of a team I root for. And I do that towards Bochy while fully acknowledging that there are tens - if not hundreds - of good calls that he made during his playoff runs, many of which I didn't even recognize because he is more astute a baseball guy than I. But obviously, that 2016 blunder still sticks in the craw a bit (would have loved to see Johnny Cueto pitching at Wrigley in a winner-take-the-series game against the Cubs, whose puck-o-meter would have been off the charts).
Eye test real time should still be an important - and probably deciding - factor.
RE: [merged] Giants/Niners 2021 thread - Phogge - 08-27-2021
Villar made a very good play on Estrada’s chop. Catcher running from third.
RE: [merged] Giants/Niners 2021 thread - BobK - 08-27-2021
18-5 for the month. But not good enough for some.
Ah just a month ago all knew the Padres were better than the Giants lol
RE: [merged] Giants/Niners 2021 thread - teejers1 - 08-27-2021
(08-27-2021, 07:17 AM)BobK Wrote: 18-5 for the month. But not good enough for some.
Ah just a month ago all knew the Padres were better than the Giants lol
The season run has been amazing, whether you believe pixie dust has been part of it or not.
Given the way the team has played (and won), it would be a crying shame if the Giants did not get to play a real playoff series. A one-and-done WC game would be an injustice, imo. Get to a real playoff series, and it's all gravy.
Still a month to go. And Gausman, your ace, on the hill tonight. If he recaptures the splitter, then he can re-establish himself as the ace (though I've heard a lot of folks already pencil in Webb as Game 1 or WC game starter). I have a similar reaction to that debate: still a month to go.
P.S. The Mets . . . a headscratcher. Were brutalized (2-11) by Giants and Dodgers. You look at that infield alone (Alonso, Baez, Lindor, and Davis/Villar at 3B) and wonder why they're not better. Having DeGrom and another pitcher on IL has really hurt. Even still, they are in a major funk right now and seemingly can do no right.
RE: [merged] Giants/Niners 2021 thread - Mick - 08-27-2021
(08-26-2021, 11:20 AM)Leftcoast Wrote:(08-26-2021, 08:57 AM)Phogge Wrote: Watched a bit of Blake Snell vs the Dodgers. Unhittable. So he goes further than ever, 7 2/3. Oh my! goes the Padre staff, pitch count! Padres piss away the game late, very late (16 innings).
You must have LOVED the Giants game last night when Mets manager Luis Rojas pulled starting pitcher Taijuan Walker after two weak bloop hits. Next batter doubled to win the game for the Giants.
Rojas is justifiably getting slammed by the NY press.
Yeah, that was a head scratcher.
lex24 - lex24 - 08-27-2021
(08-26-2021, 11:34 PM)teejers1 Wrote:(08-26-2021, 05:08 PM)lex24 Wrote:(08-26-2021, 12:41 PM)teejers1 Wrote:(08-26-2021, 12:02 PM)Giants Wrote:(08-26-2021, 11:20 AM)Leftcoast Wrote: You must have LOVED the Giants game last night when Mets manager Luis Rojas pulled starting pitcher Taijuan Walker after two weak bloop hits. Next batter doubled to win the game for the Giants.
Rojas is justifiably getting slammed by the NY press.
2014 NLDS Game 4 Matt Williams
2020 World Series Game 6 Kevin Cash
The two best recent examples of managers making an obvious mistake (no hindsight required, it was so evident at the moment) by pulling the starting pitcher.
2016 NLDS, Bochy pulling Moore in ninth inning in Game 4 (in best of 5 series). Just effing brutal!
BTW, it wasn't even two hits last night when manager pulled the starter. It was an error by 3B, and then a flare that the RF could have had (and maybe should have had - though CF and 2B didn't help out much). That managerial decision quite likely led to Giants victory. Crawford hit game-winning (ultimately) 2-run double on the first pitch thrown by the lefty reliever.
Honestly, it's Ws like last night (a lot of luck involved) that fuel the belief that "the Giants can't keep this up." The Giants had 4 measly hits, yet scored 3 runs and won 3-2 (even though Mets had 10+(?) hits). But we'll see. The Padres did the Gyros no favors last night.
You love to bring up that 2016 game. Probably only move Bochy made in 10 post game series that didn’t work…
Loved Bochy.
But the WTF decisions are always the ones I remember most for any coach of a team I root for. And I do that towards Bochy while fully acknowledging that there are tens - if not hundreds - of good calls that he made during his playoff runs, many of which I didn't even recognize because he is more astute a baseball guy than I. But obviously, that 2016 blunder still sticks in the craw a bit (would have loved to see Johnny Cueto pitching at Wrigley in a winner-take-the-series game against the Cubs, whose puck-o-meter would have been off the charts).
Eye test real time should still be an important - and probably deciding - factor.
There is not a coach or manager in any sport that doesn’t have a slew of WTF moments. It’s a tough occupation. They are making key decisions many times a game. Further, what may appear to be WTF moments may not be. Bochy was not known for pulling pitchers early. In fact, he was sometimes criticized for leaving pitchers in too long. What none of us know is what goes on in the dugout etc. For example, I think it’s possible that Bochy (or Rags or both) spoke with Moore, asked him how he was feeling, and didn’t like the response. Or maybe they had told him after 7 that the 8th would be it. So don’t worry about leaving anything in the tank. Hell, if it was Bum, Bochy would have had to shoot him before pulling him. Or, maybe he just felt Moore had run out of gas. Bochy was 9-10 in post season, plus two WC wins. I will bet you that the Giants were the underdogs in all 10 series. His run was remarkable. Which is why he will be in HOF. (And, btw, Bochy was an eye test guy. Many of the analytics junkies didn’t and still don’t think much of him )
As for armchair coaching, quarterbacking etc, it is bogus much of the time. Because of what we do not know. We all do it. I do it a lot. But we never have all the circumstances. And, I don’t know about you, but every move I’ve made, every play I’ve called from the comfort of my couch, has worked. Prove otherwise…. :)
RE: lex24 - Mick - 08-27-2021
(08-27-2021, 03:51 PM)lex24 Wrote: As for armchair coaching, quarterbacking etc, it is bogus much of the time. Because of what we do not know. We all do it. I do it a lot. But we never have all the circumstances.
Except for Stanford football, in which we are all-knowing, Friday, Saturday and Monday...
RE: [merged] Giants/Niners 2021 thread - BostonCard - 08-27-2021
Giants fell short today, but so did the Dodgers so it remains a 2.5 game lead.
BC
RE: [merged] Giants/Niners 2021 thread - Phogge - 08-28-2021
Nice to see Blackmon finally do damage to somebody other than the Giants.
Colorado got Muncy out with stuff outside including a swing and miss change on the corner.
lex24 - lex24 - 08-28-2021
(08-28-2021, 04:07 AM)Phogge Wrote: Nice to see Blackmon finally do damage to somebody other than the Giants.
Colorado got Muncy out with stuff outside including a swing and miss change on the corner.
Blackmon looks ridiculous. Coors spilt guy. Big time numbers at home throughout career. Not so good on road. Don’t like the guy.
RE: [merged] Giants/Niners 2021 thread - Phogge - 08-28-2021
Loved him last night Lex.