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RE: Stanford vs. Ole Miss Sunday 6:30 - petersalas - 03-19-2023

To be honest, this is what this team deserves. They played like that all season

RE: Stanford vs. Ole Miss Sunday 6:30 - MV72018 - 03-19-2023

Other than playing well for most of the game against South Carolina (before collapsing at the end and wilting in OT), it was fairly clear that Stanford was very iffy/dicey against athletic teams that pressed us tightly. We ran into a good one tonight, Tara predictably had zero answers, and Jones and Brink alone could not get the job done in another imbalanced offensive display. Old Miss's pressing D and our turnovers did us in. Too bad for the seniors. Lot of talent but not well coached IMO. How many times does Stanford have to blow it in the crunch before it is acknowledged that the coaching is inconsistent and lackluster?

RE: Stanford vs. Ole Miss Sunday 6:30 - BosCard - 03-19-2023

Jayda Curry had a 4.5 GPA in high school.  We really need a player like her to transfer.  Or Nivar to become more of a scorer.  Or Clardy and Ogden to be those athletic scoring guards/wings.  Brink needs more help next year.

RE: Stanford vs. Ole Miss Sunday 6:30 - Hoops9092 - 03-19-2023

Lepolo can't seem to get the entry pass into Brink either. She's struggled with that all season. If only we had the lob passers like we did in the Jayne Appel era. 

Speaking of which, this loss felt very similar to the Florida State loss at home in the second round in 2007. Bad memory.

RE: Stanford vs. Ole Miss Sunday 6:30 - cardcrimson - 03-19-2023

(03-19-2023, 09:03 PM)Jskass Wrote:  Terrible night and just too tight. Never seen so many bunnies missed. Yes Reffing terrible but not on them.

Yes. Blame the missed layups on Tara, right?

RE: Stanford vs. Ole Miss Sunday 6:30 - JJJ - 03-19-2023

Thank you for a fun ride this season. Hats off to everyone affiliated with the program. Best of luck to the Funky Four in their post-Farm lives.

RE: Stanford vs. Ole Miss Sunday 6:30 - Card10Fan - 03-19-2023

We had so many chances to be in and win this game. I’d bet 20+ missed layups in total and costly turnovers not just at the end. I was also mentally prepared for the loss. There was no indication the past month this team was going to make a deep run. Sad for the seniors although none of them seemed to want to will us to victory. Remember Lexi Hull last year in the 2nd round. Seniors should step up.

Maybe this uncharacteristic loss will cause the coaches to more seriously look at our inept offensive schemes and what it’s gonna take to be better there consistently.

RE: Stanford vs. Ole Miss Sunday 6:30 - Jskass - 03-19-2023

(03-19-2023, 09:06 PM)cardcrimson Wrote:  
(03-19-2023, 09:03 PM)Jskass Wrote:  Terrible night and just too tight. Never seen so many bunnies missed. Yes Reffing terrible but not on them.

Yes. Blame the missed layups on Tara, right?
?

RE: Stanford vs. Ole Miss Sunday 6:30 - cardfan1996 - 03-19-2023

Also symmetry, it’s apparent this team doesn’t practice late game execution and decision-making, and nothing changed since the S.Carolina game and timeout call and lack of execution.

In the UCLA game, Hannah Jump can’t get a shot off. Rather than take the dead ball turnover, she throws it not toward the basket but up in the air for a live ball turnover to start UCLA’s transition break which results in a UCLA 3-pointer in transition.

Today, Hannah has a timeout but instead decides to throw it to an Ole Miss player.

Bizarre coaching. 

But I don’t understand the coaches’ obsession with Lepolo and Agnes all year. I really do not. For these type of games you need people who can get to the basket off the dribble. Agnes cannot dribble, and Lepolo probably shouldn’t dribble. You had Texas last year. Same type of team so you know what skillset you should be developing in your backcourt and you barely play Nivar and don’t play Bosgana at all.
(03-19-2023, 09:04 PM)MV72018 Wrote:  Other than playing well for most of the game against South Carolina (before collapsing at the end and wilting in OT), it was fairly clear that Stanford was very iffy/dicey against athletic teams that pressed us tightly. We ran into a good one tonight, Tara predictably had zero answers, and Jones and Brink alone could not get the job done in another imbalanced offensive display. Old Miss's pressing D and our turnovers did us in. Too bad for the seniors. Lot of talent but not well coached IMO. How many times does Stanford have to blow it in the crunch before it is acknowledged that the coaching is inconsistent and lackluster?

I really hope Kate is not Tara’s successor. She is a beautiful person but there are so many better options out there in terms of skill development and Xs and Os

RE: Stanford vs. Ole Miss Sunday 6:30 - TheFarm07 - 03-19-2023

Before the snipping really starts, I think there was plenty of blame to spread around.

The players didn't execute and made a lot of mistakes, but the coaching staff also made a lot of questionable decisions. While Tara has an unparalleled resume, she is not infallible and fair criticism is valid.

I, too, was well prepared for this loss. Doesn't sting very much. Ole Miss deserved to win this game.

We can't blame our defense...held them to 54 points and under 30% shooting. This lies squarely with our offense, which was just a repeat performance of what we've seen multiple times this season.

Apparently, facing the Colorado and USC defenses were not enough to prepare us for this game.

Embarrassing? Yes. Surprising? No.

RE: Stanford vs. Ole Miss Sunday 6:30 - cardfan1996 - 03-19-2023

(03-19-2023, 09:06 PM)cardcrimson Wrote:  
(03-19-2023, 09:03 PM)Jskass Wrote:  Terrible night and just too tight. Never seen so many bunnies missed. Yes Reffing terrible but not on them.

Yes. Blame the missed layups on Tara, right?

Okay I will. Tara is responsible for all staff hires. This team has struggled all year finishing through contact. Who should get the blame? The 5* McDonalds All-American players, or the post coach and strength and conditioning coach?

triangle2 - triangle2 - 03-19-2023

(03-19-2023, 09:04 PM)MV72018 Wrote:  Other than playing well for most of the game against South Carolina (before collapsing at the end and wilting in OT), it was fairly clear that Stanford was very iffy/dicey against athletic teams that pressed us tightly. We ran into a good one tonight, Tara predictably had zero answers, and Jones and Brink alone could not get the job done in another imbalanced offensive display. Old Miss's pressing D and our turnovers did us in. Too bad for the seniors. Lot of talent but not well coached IMO. How many times does Stanford have to blow it in the crunch before it is acknowledged that the coaching is inconsistent and lackluster?

Of course, this is exactly the kind of complaining that was happening when Monty’s team went up to Seattle and lost to Alabama. We all know how things have gone since then. Watching the men’s team fall into irrelevance is helpful perspective to not take for granted that we cheer for a great program that wins and wins. So great that going out in the second round seems like a disaster. Quick quiz: when’s the last time the men’s team got to the second round? Not going to complain about the coaching. I can see how we tried to beat the pressure, but it’s up to the players to finish. The difference between winning and losing wasn’t the game plan tonight, it was the missed layups, a couple of dumb turnovers, and a few missed free throws. Sure, there are some things to fix, and in a perfect universe, we’d recruit a couple of checking line players to stop the really overly aggressive hacking style defense, and we’d find a couple of guards who can really put the ball on the floor when they’re getting pushed around. If there was a game that highlighted how much we missed Lexie and Lacie, this was it.

So sad to see the funky four go out like this. Jump ends with 100 3’s. I hope she comes back. I think I’ll never see a player like Haley Jones in a Stanford uniform again. It’s been a treat to watch her.

RE: Stanford vs. Ole Miss Sunday 6:30 - Card10Fan - 03-19-2023

Hannah Jump is returning. Tara says in postgame. Fran accepted into program at Harvard.

RE: Stanford vs. Ole Miss Sunday 6:30 - MV72018 - 03-19-2023

(03-19-2023, 09:13 PM)cardfan1996 Wrote:  Also symmetry, it’s apparent this team doesn’t practice late game execution and decision-making, and nothing changed since the S.Carolina game and timeout call and lack of execution.

In the UCLA game, Hannah Jump can’t get a shot off. Rather than take the dead ball turnover, she throws it not toward the basket but up in the air for a live ball turnover to start UCLA’s transition break which results in a UCLA 3-pointer in transition.

Today, Hannah has a timeout but instead decides to throw it to an Ole Miss player.

Bizarre coaching. 

But I don’t understand the coaches’ obsession with Lepolo and Agnes all year. I really do not. For these type of games you need people who can get to the basket off the dribble. Agnes cannot dribble, and Lepolo probably shouldn’t dribble. You had Texas last year. Same type of team so you know what skillset you should be developing in your backcourt and you barely play Nivar and don’t play Bosgana at all.

Since Candace Wiggins Stanford hasn't had anyone with real ability to take it hard to the hoop and finish or dish to the wings. It seems clear that Tara's preferred strategy is to go for a talented, very big 5, surround her with a couple of accurate outside shooters, and a guard who can set things up and feed the posts. Alas, when we run into athletic teams who play pressing D and are quick enough to double the center, then we're in trouble. We saw it over and over again, against UCLA, USC, UW, Utah, and tonight against Ole Miss. Tara either needs to change her O strategy or start recruiting quite differently. Stanford is far too slow to keep up with the growing number of really athletic teams in the country, including in the PAC-12. 

Had we not been ousted by Ole Miss, Stanford would have been sent home by Iowa, UConn or South Carolina among other very athletic teams. In defeat, Cam played well, great on D, and Haley played well during the comeback, except for that turnover when surrounded by three defenders with no one tp bail her out. Our over-reliance on Brink and Jones cost us right there. No other threats to take the pressure off the two AAs. In short, the entire dismal O scheme needs a lobotomy as does recruiting. We need more players with the essential combo of three-point shooting skill and with the dribble control and speed to take it to the hoop when played tightly on the perimeter. We don't have any of those now, with the possible exception of Bosgana.

RE: Stanford vs. Ole Miss Sunday 6:30 - cardfan1996 - 03-19-2023

(03-19-2023, 08:53 PM)FarmTeam Wrote:  
(03-19-2023, 08:49 PM)mbdude Wrote:  However this turns out I don't want to hear Tara's reasons or excuses for this performance in presser

Wait, a fellow alum who also doesn't think Tara is a good coach?? I practically got run off the board for my comments to that effect last year. I think she's an A+ recruiter (though wonder how much that's just Stanford) and a C- coach. She's Haase with better talent, actually superior talent. I said last year and stand by that if Geno had been the Stanford coach during all these decades Stanford women would have 2-3x as many national championships as Tara has managed.

Then you weren’t on the board when I said Geno was absolutely a better coach (didn’t think that fact was in dispute) and also almost got run off the board.

Where we differ? Tara has been good in the past and I think she is Top 5 WBB coach with her 3 championships and the importance of that Olympic team in starting the WNBA but everyone must transition at some point to the next stage in life. Muffet, Sylvia, C Vivian etc pretty much all her fellow pioneers have moved on. I thought she said she wasn’t coaching after 70 years old maybe a decade ago (maybe I imagined it). She just got beat by a 40 year old up and coming coach. It is a young person’s profession really with all the stress and demands, and the evolution of the game which she hasn’t been able to keep up with.
(03-19-2023, 09:34 PM)MV72018 Wrote:  
(03-19-2023, 09:13 PM)cardfan1996 Wrote:  Also symmetry, it’s apparent this team doesn’t practice late game execution and decision-making, and nothing changed since the S.Carolina game and timeout call and lack of execution.

In the UCLA game, Hannah Jump can’t get a shot off. Rather than take the dead ball turnover, she throws it not toward the basket but up in the air for a live ball turnover to start UCLA’s transition break which results in a UCLA 3-pointer in transition.

Today, Hannah has a timeout but instead decides to throw it to an Ole Miss player.

Bizarre coaching. 

But I don’t understand the coaches’ obsession with Lepolo and Agnes all year. I really do not. For these type of games you need people who can get to the basket off the dribble. Agnes cannot dribble, and Lepolo probably shouldn’t dribble. You had Texas last year. Same type of team so you know what skillset you should be developing in your backcourt and you barely play Nivar and don’t play Bosgana at all.

Since Candace Wiggins Stanford hasn't had anyone with real ability to take it hard to the hoop and finish or dish to the wings. It seems clear that Tara's preferred strategy is to go for a talented, very big 5, surround her with a couple of accurate outside shooters, and a guard who can set things up and feed the posts. Alas, when we run into athletic teams who play pressing D and are quick enough to double the center, then we're in trouble. We saw it over and over again, against UCLA, USC, UW, Utah, and tonight against Ole Miss. Tara either needs to change her O strategy or start recruiting quite differently. Stanford is far too slow to keep up with the growing number of really athletic teams in the country, including in the PAC-12. 

Had we not been ousted by Ole Miss, Stanford would have been sent home by Iowa, UConn or South Carolina among other very athletic teams. In defeat, Cam played well, great on D, and Haley played well during the comeback, except for that turnover when surrounded by three defenders with no one tp bail her out. Our over-reliance on Brink and Jones cost us right there. No other threats to take the pressure off the two AAs. In short, the entire dismal O scheme needs a lobotomy as does recruiting. We need more players with the essential combo of three-point shooting skill and with the dribble control and speed to take it to the hoop when played tightly on the perimeter. We don't have any of those now, with the possible exception of Bosgana.

We lucked out with Kianna who was more a scoring guard.

But yes, I’ve often said Tara’s and Kate’s idea of a point guard must be some 1950s version where the final score was like in single digits for both teams 

Basketball today is different. It’s 5-out where everyone on the court must be a threat everywhere on the court. 

But honestly something has felt different this year to be honest. But it’s not just Tara but her entire staff.

RE: Stanford vs. Ole Miss Sunday 6:30 - 81alum - 03-19-2023

I'd like to make an observation about Maples.  Tonight, the atmosphere was superb.  It was not a sellout but one of the better attended games of the year, and by far the loudest crowd.  The first two timeouts taken by Mississippi were forced by the crowd noise--it was deafening at court level.  I was quite proud of the Stanford WBB community for coming out and supporting the team.  Stanford fans have a reputation for being too polite and somewhat quiet.  Tonight we were loud--much louder than any other game I can remember.   I think the crowd was trying to will the team to victory, to inject it with their energy.  I wish they had been rewarded with a better result.
Presser:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CEKI77fmLuM

RE: Stanford vs. Ole Miss Sunday 6:30 - Maple Leaf - 03-19-2023

(03-19-2023, 09:09 PM)JJJ Wrote:  Thank you for a fun ride this season. Hats off to everyone affiliated with the program. Best of luck to the Funky Four in their post-Farm lives.

Well said!!!

RE: Stanford vs. Ole Miss Sunday 6:30 - MV72018 - 03-19-2023

(03-19-2023, 09:39 PM)cardfan1996 Wrote:  
(03-19-2023, 08:53 PM)FarmTeam Wrote:  
(03-19-2023, 08:49 PM)mbdude Wrote:  However this turns out I don't want to hear Tara's reasons or excuses for this performance in presser

Wait, a fellow alum who also doesn't think Tara is a good coach?? I practically got run off the board for my comments to that effect last year. I think she's an A+ recruiter (though wonder how much that's just Stanford) and a C- coach. She's Haase with better talent, actually superior talent. I said last year and stand by that if Geno had been the Stanford coach during all these decades Stanford women would have 2-3x as many national championships as Tara has managed.

Then you weren’t on the board when I said Geno was absolutely a better coach (didn’t think that fact was in dispute) and also almost got run off the board.

Where we differ? Tara has been good in the past and I think she is Top 5 WBB coach with her 3 championships and the importance of that Olympic team in starting the WNBA but everyone must transition at some point to the next stage in life. Muffet, Sylvia, C Vivian etc pretty much all her fellow pioneers have moved on. I thought she said she wasn’t coaching after 70 years old maybe a decade ago (maybe I imagined it). She just got beat by a 40 year old up and coming coach. It is a young person’s profession really with all the stress and demands, and the evolution of the game which she hasn’t been able to keep up with.
(03-19-2023, 09:34 PM)MV72018 Wrote:  
(03-19-2023, 09:13 PM)cardfan1996 Wrote:  Also symmetry, it’s apparent this team doesn’t practice late game execution and decision-making, and nothing changed since the S.Carolina game and timeout call and lack of execution.

In the UCLA game, Hannah Jump can’t get a shot off. Rather than take the dead ball turnover, she throws it not toward the basket but up in the air for a live ball turnover to start UCLA’s transition break which results in a UCLA 3-pointer in transition.

Today, Hannah has a timeout but instead decides to throw it to an Ole Miss player.

Bizarre coaching. 

But I don’t understand the coaches’ obsession with Lepolo and Agnes all year. I really do not. For these type of games you need people who can get to the basket off the dribble. Agnes cannot dribble, and Lepolo probably shouldn’t dribble. You had Texas last year. Same type of team so you know what skillset you should be developing in your backcourt and you barely play Nivar and don’t play Bosgana at all.

Since Candace Wiggins Stanford hasn't had anyone with real ability to take it hard to the hoop and finish or dish to the wings. It seems clear that Tara's preferred strategy is to go for a talented, very big 5, surround her with a couple of accurate outside shooters, and a guard who can set things up and feed the posts. Alas, when we run into athletic teams who play pressing D and are quick enough to double the center, then we're in trouble. We saw it over and over again, against UCLA, USC, UW, Utah, and tonight against Ole Miss. Tara either needs to change her O strategy or start recruiting quite differently. Stanford is far too slow to keep up with the growing number of really athletic teams in the country, including in the PAC-12. 

Had we not been ousted by Ole Miss, Stanford would have been sent home by Iowa, UConn or South Carolina among other very athletic teams. In defeat, Cam played well, great on D, and Haley played well during the comeback, except for that turnover when surrounded by three defenders with no one tp bail her out. Our over-reliance on Brink and Jones cost us right there. No other threats to take the pressure off the two AAs. In short, the entire dismal O scheme needs a lobotomy as does recruiting. We need more players with the essential combo of three-point shooting skill and with the dribble control and speed to take it to the hoop when played tightly on the perimeter. We don't have any of those now, with the possible exception of Bosgana.

We lucked out with Kianna who was more a scoring guard.

But yes, I’ve often said Tara’s and Kate’s idea of a point guard must be some 1950s version where the final score was like in single digits for both teams 

Basketball today is different. It’s 5-out where everyone on the court must be a threat everywhere on the court. 

But honestly something has felt different this year to be honest. But it’s not just Tara but her entire staff.

Yes, Kianna was more of a scoring guard. Haley did a lot of the work bringing the ball up the court last year too.
Remember how we barely beat UA for the Nati because of not having an excellent point guard who could beat the 
press and make great entry passes? Haley was the only good passer on this team. 

We were held to a pathetic 49 points tonight, reminiscent of the USC game. To be blunt, our O was dismal against good D all year.

RE: Stanford vs. Ole Miss Sunday 6:30 - Jskass - 03-19-2023

Terrible night and just too tight. Never seen so many bunnies missed. Yes Redding terrible but not on them.

RE: Stanford vs. Ole Miss Sunday 6:30 - MV72018 - 03-19-2023

(03-19-2023, 09:52 PM)81alum Wrote:  I'd like to make an observation about Maples.  Tonight, the atmosphere was superb.  It was not a sellout but one of the better attended games of the year, and by far the loudest crowd.  The first two timeouts taken by Mississippi were forced by the crowd noise--it was deafening at court level.  I was quite proud of the Stanford WBB community for coming out and supporting the team.  Stanford fans have a reputation for being too polite and somewhat quiet.  Tonight we were loud--much louder than any other game I can remember.   I think the crowd was trying to will the team to victory, to inject it with their energy.  I wish they had been rewarded with a better result.
Presser:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CEKI77fmLuM

As someone who follows Stanford Women's Basketball as closely as anyone, I'd be interested to read your analysis of why Stanford had such a dismal performance (on offense) tonight.