[oldalum]

When he goes 0-18 in conference (Vandy). On the other hand, Vandy's third-year WBB coach went 2-15 against conference opponents and is still there.
(a combined 2-33 this year in conference basketball games: sheesh. At least we've got our women!)

[oldalum]

When he goes 0-18 in conference (Vandy). On the other hand, Vandy's third-year WBB coach went 2-15 against conference opponents and is still there.
(a combined 2-33 this year in conference basketball games: sheesh. At least we've got our women!)

[BobK]

Drew the men’s Coach is now not the coach. Out today

[BobK]

Drew the men’s Coach is now not the coach. Out today

[BostonCard]

Drew the men’s Coach is now not the coach.   Out today

I think that was the point.  The question is when do you fire a BB after his third season?  The answer, as given by oldalum is "When he goes 0-18 in conference"

BC

[BostonCard]

Drew the men’s Coach is now not the coach.   Out today

I think that was the point.  The question is when do you fire a BB after his third season?  The answer, as given by oldalum is "When he goes 0-18 in conference"

BC

[winflop]

Apparently the Weenies think differently. Wyking Jones out as MBB HC. I was wondering what took them so long.

[winflop]

Apparently the Weenies think differently. Wyking Jones out as MBB HC. I was wondering what took them so long.

[oldalum]

yes we've raised the bar to 3-15 after 2 years. But the point really is that record isn't everything (unless it's 0-16); the Cal A.D. saw some improvement in fits and starts but did not see a  "wide path" to becoming exceptional. Another factor is that Wyking Jones had never been a head coach, let alone a successful head coach, so one might pull the trigger faster if he showed clear signs of not being head coach level. By contrast, Vandy's 2-15 women's head coach had been a successful WNBA head coach who had moved to college coaching for family/lifestyle reasons.

In addition to reportedly being a "basketball guy," Muir has been seeing film on a lot of good teams as part of the NCAA Selection Committee. I suspect he has a very good handle on where we are now and how likely we are to get much better. YMMV from his of course

[oldalum]

yes we've raised the bar to 3-15 after 2 years. But the point really is that record isn't everything (unless it's 0-16); the Cal A.D. saw some improvement in fits and starts but did not see a  "wide path" to becoming exceptional. Another factor is that Wyking Jones had never been a head coach, let alone a successful head coach, so one might pull the trigger faster if he showed clear signs of not being head coach level. By contrast, Vandy's 2-15 women's head coach had been a successful WNBA head coach who had moved to college coaching for family/lifestyle reasons.

In addition to reportedly being a "basketball guy," Muir has been seeing film on a lot of good teams as part of the NCAA Selection Committee. I suspect he has a very good handle on where we are now and how likely we are to get much better. YMMV from his of course

[BostonCard]

Yeah, Jones was fired after two years at Cal, but he "led" the Bears to two last-place finishes in the Pac-12 and a 5-29 conference record.

BC

[BostonCard]

Yeah, Jones was fired after two years at Cal, but he "led" the Bears to two last-place finishes in the Pac-12 and a 5-29 conference record.

BC

[76lsjumb]

Yeah, Jones was fired after two years at Cal, but he "led" the Bears to two last-place finishes in the Pac-12 and a 5-29 conference record.

BC

...and a victory [almost two] over Haase's team this season... :-(

[76lsjumb]

Yeah, Jones was fired after two years at Cal, but he "led" the Bears to two last-place finishes in the Pac-12 and a 5-29 conference record.

BC

...and a victory [almost two] over Haase's team this season... :-(

[winflop]

yes we've raised the bar to 3-15 after 2 years. But the point really is that record isn't everything (unless it's 0-16); the Cal A.D. saw some improvement in fits and starts but did not see a  "wide path" to becoming exceptional. Another factor is that Wyking Jones had never been a head coach, let alone a successful head coach, so one might pull the trigger faster if he showed clear signs of not being head coach level. By contrast, Vandy's 2-15 women's head coach had been a successful WNBA head coach who had moved to college coaching for family/lifestyle reasons.

In addition to reportedly being a "basketball guy," Muir has been seeing film on a lot of good teams as part of the NCAA Selection Committee. I suspect he has a very good handle on where we are now and how likely we are to get much better. YMMV from his of course

I don't think the "Muir's a basketball guy" argument holds water anymore.

[winflop]

yes we've raised the bar to 3-15 after 2 years. But the point really is that record isn't everything (unless it's 0-16); the Cal A.D. saw some improvement in fits and starts but did not see a  "wide path" to becoming exceptional. Another factor is that Wyking Jones had never been a head coach, let alone a successful head coach, so one might pull the trigger faster if he showed clear signs of not being head coach level. By contrast, Vandy's 2-15 women's head coach had been a successful WNBA head coach who had moved to college coaching for family/lifestyle reasons.

In addition to reportedly being a "basketball guy," Muir has been seeing film on a lot of good teams as part of the NCAA Selection Committee. I suspect he has a very good handle on where we are now and how likely we are to get much better. YMMV from his of course

I don't think the "Muir's a basketball guy" argument holds water anymore.