07-14-2022, 08:22 AM
End of Pac12?
07-14-2022, 08:45 AM
(07-13-2022, 10:02 PM)Mick Wrote:(07-13-2022, 02:58 PM)CTcard Wrote:(07-13-2022, 01:06 PM)Goose Wrote:(07-13-2022, 12:11 PM)paloalto Wrote: While the UC Regents has to at least be nervous at the moment, my completely uniformed opinion is UCLA goes to the Big 10 without too many problems.My equally completely uniformed opinion agrees with you. However, I do think there is a non-zero chance we are both wrong. I am beginning to wonder if some UCLA staff and alums aren't happy about this and are prodding/working the Regents. The litigation risk was always there and nobody said anything. Why now after supposedly all is said and done?
The reporting on this is all over the place, so one has to take what they read with much salt - particularly as I have read several incompatible stories.
With that caveat, my impression from several articles is that the UC President (former president of Ohio State) knew about the move and decided that the various campuses have autonomy to do what they wish on athletics without consulting the Board of Regents. Now, the Board of Regents seems to be thinking otherwise. While university boards don't usually buck their presidents, it does happen - particularly on political hot potatoes.
Slightly OT, but I was struck by the number of UC regents who didn't attend one of the UC schools.
Members and Advisors | Board of Regents (universityofcalifornia.edu)
It is a political position. Where you went to college is unimportant. What is important is your connection to the Governor, with the primary qualifying trait being an effective campaign fund raiser.
(07-13-2022, 10:02 PM)Mick Wrote:(07-13-2022, 02:58 PM)CTcard Wrote:(07-13-2022, 01:06 PM)Goose Wrote:(07-13-2022, 12:11 PM)paloalto Wrote: While the UC Regents has to at least be nervous at the moment, my completely uniformed opinion is UCLA goes to the Big 10 without too many problems.My equally completely uniformed opinion agrees with you. However, I do think there is a non-zero chance we are both wrong. I am beginning to wonder if some UCLA staff and alums aren't happy about this and are prodding/working the Regents. The litigation risk was always there and nobody said anything. Why now after supposedly all is said and done?
The reporting on this is all over the place, so one has to take what they read with much salt - particularly as I have read several incompatible stories.
With that caveat, my impression from several articles is that the UC President (former president of Ohio State) knew about the move and decided that the various campuses have autonomy to do what they wish on athletics without consulting the Board of Regents. Now, the Board of Regents seems to be thinking otherwise. While university boards don't usually buck their presidents, it does happen - particularly on political hot potatoes.
Slightly OT, but I was struck by the number of UC regents who didn't attend one of the UC schools.
Members and Advisors | Board of Regents (universityofcalifornia.edu)
It is a political position. Where you went to college is unimportant. What is important is your connection to the Governor, with the primary qualifying trait being an effective campaign fund raiser.
07-14-2022, 10:27 AM
(07-13-2022, 03:23 PM)OutsiderFan Wrote:(07-13-2022, 02:58 PM)CTcard Wrote: The reporting on this is all over the place, so one has to take what they read with much salt - particularly as I have read several incompatible stories.
With that caveat, my impression from several articles is that the UC President (former president of Ohio State) knew about the move and decided that the various campuses have autonomy to do what they wish on athletics without consulting the Board of Regents. Now, the Board of Regents seems to be thinking otherwise. While university boards don't usually buck their presidents, it does happen - particularly on political hot potatoes.
So are you saying the UCLA move was an inside job of sorts? Did the UC President get something in return for recommending the UC schools operate autonomously when it comes to sports, so the UC Regents wouldn't get involved and potentially block UCLA from leaving the Pac for Big Ten? Could the UC Regents now be pissed they were duped and didn't get a say on such a significant matter, and now want the full board to weigh in?
I am not saying that at all, though perhaps my reference to being the former Ohio State president might leave that impression.
What I was suggesting is that normally, it is probably true that athletic department decisions are up to the individual campuses and wouldn't be a matter for the UCOP or system regents to chime in on. However, once issues hit the media, boards have a tendency to wake up and decide for themselves what is appropriate to weigh in on, regardless of policy.
(07-13-2022, 03:23 PM)OutsiderFan Wrote:(07-13-2022, 02:58 PM)CTcard Wrote: The reporting on this is all over the place, so one has to take what they read with much salt - particularly as I have read several incompatible stories.
With that caveat, my impression from several articles is that the UC President (former president of Ohio State) knew about the move and decided that the various campuses have autonomy to do what they wish on athletics without consulting the Board of Regents. Now, the Board of Regents seems to be thinking otherwise. While university boards don't usually buck their presidents, it does happen - particularly on political hot potatoes.
So are you saying the UCLA move was an inside job of sorts? Did the UC President get something in return for recommending the UC schools operate autonomously when it comes to sports, so the UC Regents wouldn't get involved and potentially block UCLA from leaving the Pac for Big Ten? Could the UC Regents now be pissed they were duped and didn't get a say on such a significant matter, and now want the full board to weigh in?
I am not saying that at all, though perhaps my reference to being the former Ohio State president might leave that impression.
What I was suggesting is that normally, it is probably true that athletic department decisions are up to the individual campuses and wouldn't be a matter for the UCOP or system regents to chime in on. However, once issues hit the media, boards have a tendency to wake up and decide for themselves what is appropriate to weigh in on, regardless of policy.
07-14-2022, 11:34 AM
And the governor went to Santa Clara, so, unless he is like our very own Mick, he probably DGAF.
BC
BC
And the governor went to Santa Clara, so, unless he is like our very own Mick, he probably DGAF.
BC
BC
07-14-2022, 02:48 PM
According to Sports Illustrated calculations we’re the 17th most desirable school (of the 69 schools currently in Power 5 conferences) to have in a conference (based on a combination of football success, other sports success, in person football attendance, football tv viewership and academics…equally weighted).
https://www.si.com/college/2022/07/14/po...ig-ten-acc
https://www.si.com/college/2022/07/14/po...ig-ten-acc
According to Sports Illustrated calculations we’re the 17th most desirable school (of the 69 schools currently in Power 5 conferences) to have in a conference (based on a combination of football success, other sports success, in person football attendance, football tv viewership and academics…equally weighted).
https://www.si.com/college/2022/07/14/po...ig-ten-acc
https://www.si.com/college/2022/07/14/po...ig-ten-acc
07-14-2022, 03:07 PM
(07-14-2022, 11:34 AM)BostonCard Wrote: And the governor went to Santa Clara, so, unless he is like our very own Mick, he probably DGAF.
BC
Nor should he…
This is a tempest in a teapot. The Regents shouldn’t be involved. It is a campus issue. If Cal was stupid enough (and they were) to build a Taj Mahal for a football program that historically has never been a player (except for two brief periods, in the early 1920’s and early 1950’s), they have only themselves to blame. Let them wallow in their misery.
(07-14-2022, 11:34 AM)BostonCard Wrote: And the governor went to Santa Clara, so, unless he is like our very own Mick, he probably DGAF.
BC
Nor should he…
This is a tempest in a teapot. The Regents shouldn’t be involved. It is a campus issue. If Cal was stupid enough (and they were) to build a Taj Mahal for a football program that historically has never been a player (except for two brief periods, in the early 1920’s and early 1950’s), they have only themselves to blame. Let them wallow in their misery.
07-14-2022, 03:46 PM
(07-14-2022, 03:07 PM)Giants Wrote:Except it doesn't work like that. The UC system is a part of the State of California and if Kal can't make the payments, the UC system has to do so. So unfortunately it is not a "campus issue".(07-14-2022, 11:34 AM)BostonCard Wrote: And the governor went to Santa Clara, so, unless he is like our very own Mick, he probably DGAF.
BC
Nor should he…
This is a tempest in a teapot. The Regents shouldn’t be involved. It is a campus issue. If Cal was stupid enough (and they were) to build a Taj Mahal for a football program that historically has never been a player (except for two brief periods, in the early 1920’s and early 1950’s), they have only themselves to blame. Let them wallow in their misery.
(07-14-2022, 03:07 PM)Giants Wrote:Except it doesn't work like that. The UC system is a part of the State of California and if Kal can't make the payments, the UC system has to do so. So unfortunately it is not a "campus issue".(07-14-2022, 11:34 AM)BostonCard Wrote: And the governor went to Santa Clara, so, unless he is like our very own Mick, he probably DGAF.
BC
Nor should he…
This is a tempest in a teapot. The Regents shouldn’t be involved. It is a campus issue. If Cal was stupid enough (and they were) to build a Taj Mahal for a football program that historically has never been a player (except for two brief periods, in the early 1920’s and early 1950’s), they have only themselves to blame. Let them wallow in their misery.
07-14-2022, 04:10 PM
(07-14-2022, 11:34 AM)BostonCard Wrote: And the governor went to Santa Clara, so, unless he is like our very own Mick, he probably DGAF.
BC
The gov's current wife attended and graduate from Stanford with both a BA and MBA, so there is hope that he at times will listen to what she has to say.
07-14-2022, 04:15 PM
(07-14-2022, 11:34 AM)BostonCard Wrote: And the governor went to Santa Clara, so, unless he is like our very own Mick, he probably DGAF.
BC
You may be right. Why on earth would the governor of California be interested in something that positively impacts the states of Ohio, Michigan, Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, Illinois, and Indiana while somewhat hurting his own state?
Free Phogge!!!! And no, crimson doesn't refer to the Tide.
(07-14-2022, 11:34 AM)BostonCard Wrote: And the governor went to Santa Clara, so, unless he is like our very own Mick, he probably DGAF.
BC
You may be right. Why on earth would the governor of California be interested in something that positively impacts the states of Ohio, Michigan, Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, Illinois, and Indiana while somewhat hurting his own state?
Free Phogge!!!! And no, crimson doesn't refer to the Tide.
07-14-2022, 05:22 PM
(07-14-2022, 04:10 PM)Maple Leaf Wrote:(07-14-2022, 11:34 AM)BostonCard Wrote: And the governor went to Santa Clara, so, unless he is like our very own Mick, he probably DGAF.
BC
The gov's current wife attended and graduate from Stanford with both a BA and MBA, so there is hope that he at times will listen to what she has to say.
Yep. It would be nice if he occasionally listened to her. Frankly, I think he has snakes in his head, at least some of the time. And he doesn't really have a scholastic pattern with his romantic objects of affection. His first wife was UC-Davis and USF law school. His mistress was Boston U. His 19 year old girlfriend (when he was 41) was Sonoma State.
Audaces fortuna iuvat
(07-14-2022, 04:10 PM)Maple Leaf Wrote:(07-14-2022, 11:34 AM)BostonCard Wrote: And the governor went to Santa Clara, so, unless he is like our very own Mick, he probably DGAF.
BC
The gov's current wife attended and graduate from Stanford with both a BA and MBA, so there is hope that he at times will listen to what she has to say.
Yep. It would be nice if he occasionally listened to her. Frankly, I think he has snakes in his head, at least some of the time. And he doesn't really have a scholastic pattern with his romantic objects of affection. His first wife was UC-Davis and USF law school. His mistress was Boston U. His 19 year old girlfriend (when he was 41) was Sonoma State.
Audaces fortuna iuvat
(07-14-2022, 04:10 PM)Maple Leaf Wrote:(07-14-2022, 11:34 AM)BostonCard Wrote: And the governor went to Santa Clara, so, unless he is like our very own Mick, he probably DGAF.
BC
The gov's current wife attended and graduate from Stanford with both a BA and MBA, so there is hope that he at times will listen to what she has to say.
she appears to have been on the women's soccer team at one time
https://gostanford.com/sports/womens-soc...iebel/9676
Eric
"the older we get the better we were"
(07-14-2022, 04:10 PM)Maple Leaf Wrote:(07-14-2022, 11:34 AM)BostonCard Wrote: And the governor went to Santa Clara, so, unless he is like our very own Mick, he probably DGAF.
BC
The gov's current wife attended and graduate from Stanford with both a BA and MBA, so there is hope that he at times will listen to what she has to say.
she appears to have been on the women's soccer team at one time
https://gostanford.com/sports/womens-soc...iebel/9676
Eric
"the older we get the better we were"
07-14-2022, 05:45 PM
(07-14-2022, 05:22 PM)Mick Wrote:Isn't his current wife the former wife of his campaign manager? Isn't his first wife engaged to Donald Trump Jr.?(07-14-2022, 04:10 PM)Maple Leaf Wrote:Yep. It would be nice if he occasionally listened to her. Frankly, I think he has snakes in his head, at least some of the time. And he doesn't really have a scholastic pattern with his romantic objects of affection. His first wife was UC-Davis and USF law school. His mistress was Boston U. His 19 year old girlfriend (when he was 41) was Sonoma State.(07-14-2022, 11:34 AM)BostonCard Wrote: And the governor went to Santa Clara, so, unless he is like our very own Mick, he probably DGAF.
BC
The gov's current wife attended and graduate from Stanford with both a BA and MBA, so there is hope that he at times will listen to what she has to say.
To quote Raul Julia: "And no man should be judged for whatever direction his dick goes - that's like blaming a compass for pointing north, for Christ's sake!" But sheesh. . . .
Free Phogge!!!! And no, crimson doesn't refer to the Tide.
(07-14-2022, 05:22 PM)Mick Wrote:Isn't his current wife the former wife of his campaign manager? Isn't his first wife engaged to Donald Trump Jr.?(07-14-2022, 04:10 PM)Maple Leaf Wrote:Yep. It would be nice if he occasionally listened to her. Frankly, I think he has snakes in his head, at least some of the time. And he doesn't really have a scholastic pattern with his romantic objects of affection. His first wife was UC-Davis and USF law school. His mistress was Boston U. His 19 year old girlfriend (when he was 41) was Sonoma State.(07-14-2022, 11:34 AM)BostonCard Wrote: And the governor went to Santa Clara, so, unless he is like our very own Mick, he probably DGAF.
BC
The gov's current wife attended and graduate from Stanford with both a BA and MBA, so there is hope that he at times will listen to what she has to say.
To quote Raul Julia: "And no man should be judged for whatever direction his dick goes - that's like blaming a compass for pointing north, for Christ's sake!" But sheesh. . . .
Free Phogge!!!! And no, crimson doesn't refer to the Tide.
07-14-2022, 06:10 PM
(07-14-2022, 05:59 PM)BobK Wrote: Jennifer wasn’t married before GavinMy bad. It wasn't Jennifer, apparently a lover a few years earlier who was his campaign manager's wife. Apologies to Jennifer. . . .
However as an actress one of her coaches was my son in law.
Free Phogge!!!! And no, crimson doesn't refer to the Tide.
(07-14-2022, 05:59 PM)BobK Wrote: Jennifer wasn’t married before GavinMy bad. It wasn't Jennifer, apparently a lover a few years earlier who was his campaign manager's wife. Apologies to Jennifer. . . .
However as an actress one of her coaches was my son in law.
Free Phogge!!!! And no, crimson doesn't refer to the Tide.
07-14-2022, 09:12 PM
(07-14-2022, 03:07 PM)Giants Wrote:(07-14-2022, 11:34 AM)BostonCard Wrote: And the governor went to Santa Clara, so, unless he is like our very own Mick, he probably DGAF.
BC
Nor should he…
This is a tempest in a teapot. The Regents shouldn’t be involved. It is a campus issue. If Cal was stupid enough (and they were) to build a Taj Mahal for a football program that historically has never been a player (except for two brief periods, in the early 1920’s and early 1950’s), they have only themselves to blame. Let them wallow in their misery.
Call it selfishness, but I kinda don't want them to wallow. I want a rival that's still around.
(07-14-2022, 03:07 PM)Giants Wrote:(07-14-2022, 11:34 AM)BostonCard Wrote: And the governor went to Santa Clara, so, unless he is like our very own Mick, he probably DGAF.
BC
Nor should he…
This is a tempest in a teapot. The Regents shouldn’t be involved. It is a campus issue. If Cal was stupid enough (and they were) to build a Taj Mahal for a football program that historically has never been a player (except for two brief periods, in the early 1920’s and early 1950’s), they have only themselves to blame. Let them wallow in their misery.
Call it selfishness, but I kinda don't want them to wallow. I want a rival that's still around.
07-14-2022, 09:21 PM
(07-14-2022, 08:22 AM)BobK Wrote: https://president.osu.edu/about-president-johnson
President Johnson is wearing the ugliest jacket in history in her photo.
(07-14-2022, 08:22 AM)BobK Wrote: https://president.osu.edu/about-president-johnson
President Johnson is wearing the ugliest jacket in history in her photo.
07-15-2022, 06:13 AM
https://www.si.com/college/2022/07/14/po...ig-ten-acc
16. Clemson
17. Stanford
18. UCLA
If true, Stanford probably can go independent for Football and make a decent amount of money for itself. This might make the most sense at this point until a Big Ten or ACC arrangement materializes.
Stanford could schedule:
Cal, Notre Dame, USC, UCLA, Vanderbilt, Northwestern, Wake Forest, Army, Navy, and Air Force, maybe Rice, and then one powerhouse just to create an attraction at Stanford Stadium to sell tickets. Washington, Oregon, and any other Big Ten, SEC, or ACC that would make for a compelling opponent.
This doesn't address Bowl game affiliations. That's a discussion for another day.
16. Clemson
17. Stanford
18. UCLA
If true, Stanford probably can go independent for Football and make a decent amount of money for itself. This might make the most sense at this point until a Big Ten or ACC arrangement materializes.
Stanford could schedule:
Cal, Notre Dame, USC, UCLA, Vanderbilt, Northwestern, Wake Forest, Army, Navy, and Air Force, maybe Rice, and then one powerhouse just to create an attraction at Stanford Stadium to sell tickets. Washington, Oregon, and any other Big Ten, SEC, or ACC that would make for a compelling opponent.
This doesn't address Bowl game affiliations. That's a discussion for another day.
https://www.si.com/college/2022/07/14/po...ig-ten-acc
16. Clemson
17. Stanford
18. UCLA
If true, Stanford probably can go independent for Football and make a decent amount of money for itself. This might make the most sense at this point until a Big Ten or ACC arrangement materializes.
Stanford could schedule:
Cal, Notre Dame, USC, UCLA, Vanderbilt, Northwestern, Wake Forest, Army, Navy, and Air Force, maybe Rice, and then one powerhouse just to create an attraction at Stanford Stadium to sell tickets. Washington, Oregon, and any other Big Ten, SEC, or ACC that would make for a compelling opponent.
This doesn't address Bowl game affiliations. That's a discussion for another day.
16. Clemson
17. Stanford
18. UCLA
If true, Stanford probably can go independent for Football and make a decent amount of money for itself. This might make the most sense at this point until a Big Ten or ACC arrangement materializes.
Stanford could schedule:
Cal, Notre Dame, USC, UCLA, Vanderbilt, Northwestern, Wake Forest, Army, Navy, and Air Force, maybe Rice, and then one powerhouse just to create an attraction at Stanford Stadium to sell tickets. Washington, Oregon, and any other Big Ten, SEC, or ACC that would make for a compelling opponent.
This doesn't address Bowl game affiliations. That's a discussion for another day.
07-15-2022, 07:11 AM
(07-14-2022, 09:21 PM)Phogge Wrote:(07-14-2022, 08:22 AM)BobK Wrote: https://president.osu.edu/about-president-johnson
President Johnson is wearing the ugliest jacket in history in her photo.
Based upon her academic profile, PhD in Electrical Engineering she is on high end of acceptable fashion for engineers in general, electrical engineers in particular and at the apex of the engineering pyramid for PhD's in engineering, based upon my experience in working with said engineering disciplines. Geo-Tech Engineers are by far the most adventurous when it comes to appropriate fashion statements in office settings.
(07-14-2022, 09:21 PM)Phogge Wrote:(07-14-2022, 08:22 AM)BobK Wrote: https://president.osu.edu/about-president-johnson
President Johnson is wearing the ugliest jacket in history in her photo.
Based upon her academic profile, PhD in Electrical Engineering she is on high end of acceptable fashion for engineers in general, electrical engineers in particular and at the apex of the engineering pyramid for PhD's in engineering, based upon my experience in working with said engineering disciplines. Geo-Tech Engineers are by far the most adventurous when it comes to appropriate fashion statements in office settings.
(07-14-2022, 09:21 PM)Phogge Wrote:(07-14-2022, 08:22 AM)BobK Wrote: https://president.osu.edu/about-president-johnson
President Johnson is wearing the ugliest jacket in history in her photo.
My first thought was that she lost a bet...
(07-15-2022, 06:13 AM)OutsiderFan Wrote: https://www.si.com/college/2022/07/14/po...ig-ten-acc
16. Clemson
17. Stanford
18. UCLA
If true, Stanford probably can go independent for Football and make a decent amount of money for itself. This might make the most sense at this point until a Big Ten or ACC arrangement materializes.
Stanford could schedule:
Cal, Notre Dame, USC, UCLA, Vanderbilt, Northwestern, Wake Forest, Army, Navy, and Air Force, maybe Rice, and then one powerhouse just to create an attraction at Stanford Stadium to sell tickets. Washington, Oregon, and any other Big Ten, SEC, or ACC that would make for a compelling opponent.
This doesn't address Bowl game affiliations. That's a discussion for another day.
I think that sounds potentially very successful. I wonder if Cal could do the same. They'd probably want Stanford, USC, UCLA, Fresno State, Long Beach State, San Jose State, the occasional UC-Davis game, a Florida school, maybe Arizona, Arizona State, Nevada or Oregon, and their fellow large-scale public universities; e.g., Michigan once in a while, Texas, Washington, Virginia, etc., Hawaii (for the trip and to attract recruits).
Audaces fortuna iuvat
(07-14-2022, 09:21 PM)Phogge Wrote:(07-14-2022, 08:22 AM)BobK Wrote: https://president.osu.edu/about-president-johnson
President Johnson is wearing the ugliest jacket in history in her photo.
My first thought was that she lost a bet...
(07-15-2022, 06:13 AM)OutsiderFan Wrote: https://www.si.com/college/2022/07/14/po...ig-ten-acc
16. Clemson
17. Stanford
18. UCLA
If true, Stanford probably can go independent for Football and make a decent amount of money for itself. This might make the most sense at this point until a Big Ten or ACC arrangement materializes.
Stanford could schedule:
Cal, Notre Dame, USC, UCLA, Vanderbilt, Northwestern, Wake Forest, Army, Navy, and Air Force, maybe Rice, and then one powerhouse just to create an attraction at Stanford Stadium to sell tickets. Washington, Oregon, and any other Big Ten, SEC, or ACC that would make for a compelling opponent.
This doesn't address Bowl game affiliations. That's a discussion for another day.
I think that sounds potentially very successful. I wonder if Cal could do the same. They'd probably want Stanford, USC, UCLA, Fresno State, Long Beach State, San Jose State, the occasional UC-Davis game, a Florida school, maybe Arizona, Arizona State, Nevada or Oregon, and their fellow large-scale public universities; e.g., Michigan once in a while, Texas, Washington, Virginia, etc., Hawaii (for the trip and to attract recruits).
Audaces fortuna iuvat
« Next Oldest | Next Newest »