[Mick]

As I posted in another thread on this sorry state of affairs in San Francisco, the Giants can say they aren’t rebuilding all they want, but whether they like it or not, they are. They could have been proactive to address or reactive. They chose the latter.

The stupidly has already been baked in. They should have listened to the fan base two years ago, who was telling them they had to rebuild then. The only thing putting off rebuilding does is insure the rot goes deeper, takes longer to remove, which also extends how long there is no foundation to start building again.

They probably cost themselves at least one and possibly two major prospects by not trading Bumgarner two years ago. Maybe the Giants have Miguel Andujar at 3B and Machado is playing 3B for the Yankees now, had they done that. Posey too should have been dealt.

The fan base isn’t dumb. We saw the catastrophically bad farm system results in 2017. We saw the payroll obligations. It didn’t take a PhD in statistics to understand the situation.

Two years ago, the Giants had just come off of an 87-75 season, pretty close to the records of the Giants teams in the '10, '12, '14 playoffs.  We won the wild card game over the Mets.  Lost to the eventual World Series winner, the Cubs.  Giants were league average in runs scored, just under average in OPS.  They topped the NL in fielding average.  They were fourth in the league in WHIP and ERA.  On the down side, they lacked a closer and Panik had a down year from injuries.  

2017 started off with the fourth most wins in MLB in spring training.  The wheels fell off quickly.  The Giants were 11-23 by May 9, 38-63 on July 24 with a week to go to the trading deadline.  They should have started the rebuild then.  The writing was on the wall at that point.

[Mick]

As I posted in another thread on this sorry state of affairs in San Francisco, the Giants can say they aren’t rebuilding all they want, but whether they like it or not, they are. They could have been proactive to address or reactive. They chose the latter.

The stupidly has already been baked in. They should have listened to the fan base two years ago, who was telling them they had to rebuild then. The only thing putting off rebuilding does is insure the rot goes deeper, takes longer to remove, which also extends how long there is no foundation to start building again.

They probably cost themselves at least one and possibly two major prospects by not trading Bumgarner two years ago. Maybe the Giants have Miguel Andujar at 3B and Machado is playing 3B for the Yankees now, had they done that. Posey too should have been dealt.

The fan base isn’t dumb. We saw the catastrophically bad farm system results in 2017. We saw the payroll obligations. It didn’t take a PhD in statistics to understand the situation.

Two years ago, the Giants had just come off of an 87-75 season, pretty close to the records of the Giants teams in the '10, '12, '14 playoffs.  We won the wild card game over the Mets.  Lost to the eventual World Series winner, the Cubs.  Giants were league average in runs scored, just under average in OPS.  They topped the NL in fielding average.  They were fourth in the league in WHIP and ERA.  On the down side, they lacked a closer and Panik had a down year from injuries.  

2017 started off with the fourth most wins in MLB in spring training.  The wheels fell off quickly.  The Giants were 11-23 by May 9, 38-63 on July 24 with a week to go to the trading deadline.  They should have started the rebuild then.  The writing was on the wall at that point.