[Spiny_Norman]

Johnny Dawkins won 20 games 4 times in 8 seasons at Stanford.

Unfortunately most of those wins were against bottom feeders in the PAC-12 or weak OOC schools. Dawkins had a winning conference record 2 times in 8 seasons and was 66-78 in PAC-12 games overall during an eight-year period that was universally considered one of the weakest eras for the conference.

That's not to say Haase has been doing any better - if anything, his record is worse. But a losing PAC-12 record in 6 of 8 years and one lone trip to the Dance in 8 seasons doesn't cut it at a school with 123 NCAA national championships.

Even with admissions constraints, we can do better.

I was gently poking fun at Win with my comment. While I do agree that expectations of UCLA and Stanford fans are different, it's still really tough to find a coach who can be successful. It's even tougher for Stanford because the pool of feasible head coaches is smaller.

My frustration stems from:
Only finishing in the top 4 of the conference (a weak conference) twice in the past 11 years
Never winning more than 11 conference games (in a weak conference) in the past 11 years
Losing 20 consecutive games to Arizona
Losing every game at Pauley Pavilion since 2005
One marquee win in the past 11 years - Kansas in the 2014 tournament
Watching a team that has trouble executing fundamentals - shooting from the field, free throws, not turning the ball over

I am not ready to give up on the program, but it's tough to put much energy behind it right now.

[Spiny_Norman]

Johnny Dawkins won 20 games 4 times in 8 seasons at Stanford.

Unfortunately most of those wins were against bottom feeders in the PAC-12 or weak OOC schools. Dawkins had a winning conference record 2 times in 8 seasons and was 66-78 in PAC-12 games overall during an eight-year period that was universally considered one of the weakest eras for the conference.

That's not to say Haase has been doing any better - if anything, his record is worse. But a losing PAC-12 record in 6 of 8 years and one lone trip to the Dance in 8 seasons doesn't cut it at a school with 123 NCAA national championships.

Even with admissions constraints, we can do better.

I was gently poking fun at Win with my comment. While I do agree that expectations of UCLA and Stanford fans are different, it's still really tough to find a coach who can be successful. It's even tougher for Stanford because the pool of feasible head coaches is smaller.

My frustration stems from:
Only finishing in the top 4 of the conference (a weak conference) twice in the past 11 years
Never winning more than 11 conference games (in a weak conference) in the past 11 years
Losing 20 consecutive games to Arizona
Losing every game at Pauley Pavilion since 2005
One marquee win in the past 11 years - Kansas in the 2014 tournament
Watching a team that has trouble executing fundamentals - shooting from the field, free throws, not turning the ball over

I am not ready to give up on the program, but it's tough to put much energy behind it right now.