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ones with Stanford ties

11.  Pop Warner
17.  Walter Camp
18.  Fielding Yost
128. Clark Shaughnessey


https://www.espn.com/college-football/st...ar-history

Many here will be stunned, stunned, that Shaw's not on the list. . . .

I mean, while this certainly not the banner year for Coach Shaw's candidacy, if Brian Kelly (who also had a 4-8 year) and Gary Patterson are going to make this list, then I don't think Coach Shaw's performance is demonstrably worse than either of them. Sure, ND has made a BCS Championship Game and CFP semifinal (where ND promptly got crushed both times), but the resources at ND and football tradition is simply greater. And I think Coach Shaw has a similar resume to Gary Patterson (all-time winningest coaches at respective schools, multiple BCS/NY6 bowl appearances etc.), if only Coach Patterson has been at TCU longer, while much of Patterson's success came in non P5 conferences.

I say that to say, I don't necessarily think Coach Shaw should be on the list, but Patterson, Paul Johnson, and Brian Kelly shouldn't be on the list either.

[d4cohn]

ones with Stanford ties

11.  Pop Warner
17.  Walter Camp
18.  Fielding Yost
128. Clark Shaughnessey


https://www.espn.com/college-football/st...ar-history

Many here will be stunned, stunned, that Shaw's not on the list. . . .

I mean, while this certainly not the banner year for Coach Shaw's candidacy, if Brian Kelly (who also had a 4-8 year) and Gary Patterson are going to make this list, then I don't think Coach Shaw's performance is demonstrably worse than either of them. Sure, ND has made a BCS Championship Game and CFP semifinal (where ND promptly got crushed both times), but the resources at ND and football tradition is simply greater. And I think Coach Shaw has a similar resume to Gary Patterson (all-time winningest coaches at respective schools, multiple BCS/NY6 bowl appearances etc.), if only Coach Patterson has been at TCU longer, while much of Patterson's success came in non P5 conferences.

I say that to say, I don't necessarily think Coach Shaw should be on the list, but Patterson, Paul Johnson, and Brian Kelly shouldn't be on the list either.