12-23-2019, 11:44 AM
(12-23-2019, 09:14 AM)ColoradoTree Wrote: This list --Don't bother. Fake precision at work. Football titles are far from precise. In many years several football teams were declared national champions by different organizations. Nice for someone to have a wiki page to try to tally them up, but that effort always creates discrepancies.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_NC...%22_column -- is the one I was referencing, but now that I look at it more closely, we appear to still be tied at 138 by that count. (The NCAA total of 126 counts a men's golf championship that was pre-NCAA, but this list omits it and has us at 125 NCAA titles--I had previously figured they just hadn't updated the NCAA championships total to include volleyball, but they're actually just being more precise.)
The 138 total counts NCAA titles, football titles, AIAW titles, and "other team titles" to get to the total.
The "other team titles" counted for Stanford are: men's golf (1938), 8x women's synchro (1998, 1999, 2005-08, 2013, 2016), and women's water polo (1985).
The "other team titles" counted for UCLA are: women's golf (1971); women's volleyball (1972); 5x men's volleyball (1953, 54, 56, 65, 67); 4x women's water polo (1996–98, 2000).
That metric appears to count any sport that has ever been NCAA-sponsored and all of its historic titles, regardless of whether they were won under NCAA competition or pre-NCAA competition. The exceptions are men's rowing (long established but non-NCAA) and women's equestrian (which is recognized under the NCAA as an emerging sport).
I would imagine that women's lightweight rowing is left out because it's something of a double-counter, when women's rowing is otherwise recognized as an NCAA sport.
The tallying of the others, is always problematic.
Men's rowing historically just recognized the winner of the Varsity 8 as the winner, but the objective on the women's NCAA team title is to have best results across that regata. Also the men's regata was not really a national championship event and many great boats from different schools have skipped the event over the decades for various reasons.
Synchronized swimming is physically demanding, but why would it count? Synch swimming is a varsity sport for tOSU and they are current national champs, but "Spirit" is also a varsity sport at tOSU. More D1 schools compete in that championship with varsity teams than synchronized swimming.
Big props to those in ultimate, equestrian, synch swimming, rugby, paintball, spirit and quidditch that win championships every year, but the NCAA has a very nice tally that is recognized across D-1. And in that very nice definition 126, leads the pack. That's the one to lead because every other total title number can be altered dramatically to include or exclude sports and/or titles depending on the agenda.
FWIW -
ASU really does count paintball as one of their "other" titles on their wiki page.
Texas is the current defending quidditch champion
Seriously...stick with NCAA team titles because I don't want to give any credibility to the idea that others should count if they are at a level of popularity AND hold a recognized tournament to determine a college national champion because quidditch meets that standard.