[JohnR34231]

BC

I'm not writing off Davis Mills. But I have written off David Shaw. Still, Mills must prove he can stay healthy. And win. A couple of things pretty fundamental to QB success. As for success this year? Chances: slim and none. Next man up...

Define "success"?

For the Shaw bashers, success will be defined as more wins than whatever he ends up accomplishing.

If Shaw can get the program back to playing anywhere near the level the team played for the first five years of his head coaching tenure, my guess is most people on this board - myself included - will be thrilled.

OK, if success is defined as making a New Years Six bowl game (as Shaw did four of his first five years) I agree with you. Chances are pretty slim.

[JohnR34231]

BC

I'm not writing off Davis Mills. But I have written off David Shaw. Still, Mills must prove he can stay healthy. And win. A couple of things pretty fundamental to QB success. As for success this year? Chances: slim and none. Next man up...

Define "success"?

For the Shaw bashers, success will be defined as more wins than whatever he ends up accomplishing.

If Shaw can get the program back to playing anywhere near the level the team played for the first five years of his head coaching tenure, my guess is most people on this board - myself included - will be thrilled.

OK, if success is defined as making a New Years Six bowl game (as Shaw did four of his first five years) I agree with you. Chances are pretty slim.