[teejers1]

Yes, yes . . . more "breaking news" reporting by The Agenda devotees.  Of course numbers are going to be up when you bring in thousands of kids from wherever.  The real issue is does that have unacceptable negative ramifications?

If you're going to report on that, how about some balance?  ND appears to be moving in the right direction (significantly).

See the dashboard here.

https://here.nd.edu/our-approach/dashboard/

And they're returning to in-person classes next week (per a work colleague).

And they're going to allow some fans in stands (a bit ambitious, imo, but good luck).

How come we don't see these developments get nearly the "run" of "outbreak here,", "surge there" stories?

Look, I don't know how this is ultimately going to play out at ND or anywhere else.  Maybe everything gets shut down; maybe many/most schools get through it.  But the "pounce" group - that jumps on anything negative (or potentially negative) - here and elsewhere is remarkable.

There is an easy answer...It is easy to open it is another trick to STAY open.  So let's wait 5-15 days and see where Notre Dame is at that point.

FWIW - My guess is they will not do much better this time, but if there is any place that might believe in Trump's faith in miracles strategy it would be a religious university like Notre Dame. 

Why my negativity?  Notre Dame had a really good strategy at the start of their year, and it still didn't work out.   I think the problem for Notre Dame is that they can test when people arrive on campus for the first day, but students, faculty and staff leave campus during the semester for a number of reasons.  Those excursions off campus will bring the virus back. 

The most unavoidable weak spot for a USA-based college?  Essential workers

Unless Notre Dame forces the always overlooked essential working staff (housekeeping, janitors, food service, ground maintenance) to live on campus then they will have the same COVID issues even if 100% of students and faculty live on campus. 

So given that COVID will find its way back to campus, the typical college campus will continue to be a place where COVID will thrive.   Perhaps if they didn't test (another Trump strategy) then they wouldn't see cases.  That might be OK if everyone on campus was under 40, but the would be those pesky essential workers and faculty members that have the nerve to work when over 40.

This isn't really a ding to Notre Dame or anything like that.   It is just that COVID19 is simply destined to thrive in a setting where a bunch of young people are together.   Since Notre Dame still plans to test everyone frequently they will discover cases soon enough.  But I would not expect them to see them on Return Day (-1).   I would expect they will see them on Return Day (+5).

IMHO if they make it to Return Day (+15) without a surge in cases THEN we can celebrate their amazing accomplishment.

You could be right, though I admit to not being sure I fully understand you.
The ND students are there, living in dorms, and taking classes remotely.
Are you saying that returning to classes (which I assume some, but not all will do) will cause the spread?

Also, ND is testing regularly, aren't they?  The dashboard tells you number of tests, positive results, etc.

Again, maybe you're right.  I'm not sure I see the "resurgence" event that you think is a gimme (after 15 days or so).  

But I guess we'll see.

[teejers1]

Yes, yes . . . more "breaking news" reporting by The Agenda devotees.  Of course numbers are going to be up when you bring in thousands of kids from wherever.  The real issue is does that have unacceptable negative ramifications?

If you're going to report on that, how about some balance?  ND appears to be moving in the right direction (significantly).

See the dashboard here.

https://here.nd.edu/our-approach/dashboard/

And they're returning to in-person classes next week (per a work colleague).

And they're going to allow some fans in stands (a bit ambitious, imo, but good luck).

How come we don't see these developments get nearly the "run" of "outbreak here,", "surge there" stories?

Look, I don't know how this is ultimately going to play out at ND or anywhere else.  Maybe everything gets shut down; maybe many/most schools get through it.  But the "pounce" group - that jumps on anything negative (or potentially negative) - here and elsewhere is remarkable.

There is an easy answer...It is easy to open it is another trick to STAY open.  So let's wait 5-15 days and see where Notre Dame is at that point.

FWIW - My guess is they will not do much better this time, but if there is any place that might believe in Trump's faith in miracles strategy it would be a religious university like Notre Dame. 

Why my negativity?  Notre Dame had a really good strategy at the start of their year, and it still didn't work out.   I think the problem for Notre Dame is that they can test when people arrive on campus for the first day, but students, faculty and staff leave campus during the semester for a number of reasons.  Those excursions off campus will bring the virus back. 

The most unavoidable weak spot for a USA-based college?  Essential workers

Unless Notre Dame forces the always overlooked essential working staff (housekeeping, janitors, food service, ground maintenance) to live on campus then they will have the same COVID issues even if 100% of students and faculty live on campus. 

So given that COVID will find its way back to campus, the typical college campus will continue to be a place where COVID will thrive.   Perhaps if they didn't test (another Trump strategy) then they wouldn't see cases.  That might be OK if everyone on campus was under 40, but the would be those pesky essential workers and faculty members that have the nerve to work when over 40.

This isn't really a ding to Notre Dame or anything like that.   It is just that COVID19 is simply destined to thrive in a setting where a bunch of young people are together.   Since Notre Dame still plans to test everyone frequently they will discover cases soon enough.  But I would not expect them to see them on Return Day (-1).   I would expect they will see them on Return Day (+5).

IMHO if they make it to Return Day (+15) without a surge in cases THEN we can celebrate their amazing accomplishment.

You could be right, though I admit to not being sure I fully understand you.
The ND students are there, living in dorms, and taking classes remotely.
Are you saying that returning to classes (which I assume some, but not all will do) will cause the spread?

Also, ND is testing regularly, aren't they?  The dashboard tells you number of tests, positive results, etc.

Again, maybe you're right.  I'm not sure I see the "resurgence" event that you think is a gimme (after 15 days or so).  

But I guess we'll see.