[Genuine Realist]

The protests - actually the better word for 'largely peaceful'protests is 'riot'- are just another form of rally.

What a shame you added  "the better word for largely peaceful protests is riot" to an otherwise valid comment. To equate peaceful protest to riot is wrong, factually; and politically loaded, in terms of civil discourse.

Trump and his enablers are purposely trying to push this alternate truth on their cult followers. The rest of the world, however, with ample video evidence, differentiates between the non-violent protests, usually happening during the day, and the violent riots, usually during the night. Different people are responsible for each.

And, contrary to the propaganda of the Trump reelection campaign, some (not all, maybe even not most; but some) of the rioting has been by police and by right-wing groups supporting Trump. Which doesn't change my point above, but is relevant because of context. In these very troubled times, repeating talking points as if they were fact, innocent mistake or not, reads like part of an organized campaign

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[quote="lex24" pid='294910' dateline='1604164167']
Or maybe I’m wrong.

This may be the only line I heartily agrte,]ee with you on most of your posts.  As others have pointed out, Trump has full control of the way his rallies conduct business and it's been a sh*tshow in each and every one of them.  Just the fact they mandate people wear masks behind him, where cameras point, and cares less about all the others off-camera show where his priorities are.

I'd also rather have less gatherings, period, but there's a big difference between static positions for hours between people not wearing masks, shouting and cheering, even when outside, and much more movement in marches with larger % of masked.  And if you had a study trying to pinpoint case rises from these protest events, I wouldn't be as reflexively dismissive because you're trying your very best to spin the unspinnable.  I particularly like your rationalization that the people at rallies would be at bars and tattoo parlors otherwise.  (See the previous discussion on k variable, size of crowds/duration, etc.)  I'm sure the seniors that went to the hospital in Omaha rally were bar hoppers.  And even if they were at bars, it'd likely be *local* bars and not events drawing people from a much wider area that rally goers then return to afterwards.

Epic rationalizations. The protests - actually the better word for 'largely peaceful'protests is 'riot'- are just another form of rally. There's a lot of standing in place. 

In any case, no one has tried to quantify the covid risk and spread. No academic would dare.

To bad you didn't read what I actually said: static hours-long gatherings vs marches.  I don't disagree that the former is a danger regardless of the reason.  Don't let actual words interfere with your tripe, though.  Frankly, I couldn't care less what you think.  I've added you and a couple others to an ignore list that unfortunately doesn't allow my posts to be hidden from you like Twitter blocks.  I'm here to get medical information from other informed docs.  That's it.

Another Christmas card I won't be getting. 

Ah, well, my heart is breaking, but I think I'll live.

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The protests - actually the better word for 'largely peaceful'protests is 'riot'- are just another form of rally.

What a shame you added  "the better word for largely peaceful protests is riot" to an otherwise valid comment. To equate peaceful protest to riot is wrong, factually; and politically loaded, in terms of civil discourse.

Trump and his enablers are purposely trying to push this alternate truth on their cult followers. The rest of the world, however, with ample video evidence, differentiates between the non-violent protests, usually happening during the day, and the violent riots, usually during the night. Different people are responsible for each.

And, contrary to the propaganda of the Trump reelection campaign, some (not all, maybe even not most; but some) of the rioting has been by police and by right-wing groups supporting Trump. Which doesn't change my point above, but is relevant because of context. In these very troubled times, repeating talking points as if they were fact, innocent mistake or not, reads like part of an organized campaign.

I didn't write anything concerning the political dlant of these events, Right or Left.

That said, :'LARGELY peaceful protests' is the latest euphemism. The operative word is the adjective. Most, if not all, riots (sic) consist of a minority of violent actors and a much larger number of supportive onlookers. 

Peaceful protests' are just that. No need for quantifying modifiers.

[Genuine Realist]

The protests - actually the better word for 'largely peaceful'protests is 'riot'- are just another form of rally.

What a shame you added  "the better word for largely peaceful protests is riot" to an otherwise valid comment. To equate peaceful protest to riot is wrong, factually; and politically loaded, in terms of civil discourse.

Trump and his enablers are purposely trying to push this alternate truth on their cult followers. The rest of the world, however, with ample video evidence, differentiates between the non-violent protests, usually happening during the day, and the violent riots, usually during the night. Different people are responsible for each.

And, contrary to the propaganda of the Trump reelection campaign, some (not all, maybe even not most; but some) of the rioting has been by police and by right-wing groups supporting Trump. Which doesn't change my point above, but is relevant because of context. In these very troubled times, repeating talking points as if they were fact, innocent mistake or not, reads like part of an organized campaign

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[quote="lex24" pid='294910' dateline='1604164167']
Or maybe I’m wrong.

This may be the only line I heartily agrte,]ee with you on most of your posts.  As others have pointed out, Trump has full control of the way his rallies conduct business and it's been a sh*tshow in each and every one of them.  Just the fact they mandate people wear masks behind him, where cameras point, and cares less about all the others off-camera show where his priorities are.

I'd also rather have less gatherings, period, but there's a big difference between static positions for hours between people not wearing masks, shouting and cheering, even when outside, and much more movement in marches with larger % of masked.  And if you had a study trying to pinpoint case rises from these protest events, I wouldn't be as reflexively dismissive because you're trying your very best to spin the unspinnable.  I particularly like your rationalization that the people at rallies would be at bars and tattoo parlors otherwise.  (See the previous discussion on k variable, size of crowds/duration, etc.)  I'm sure the seniors that went to the hospital in Omaha rally were bar hoppers.  And even if they were at bars, it'd likely be *local* bars and not events drawing people from a much wider area that rally goers then return to afterwards.

Epic rationalizations. The protests - actually the better word for 'largely peaceful'protests is 'riot'- are just another form of rally. There's a lot of standing in place. 

In any case, no one has tried to quantify the covid risk and spread. No academic would dare.

To bad you didn't read what I actually said: static hours-long gatherings vs marches.  I don't disagree that the former is a danger regardless of the reason.  Don't let actual words interfere with your tripe, though.  Frankly, I couldn't care less what you think.  I've added you and a couple others to an ignore list that unfortunately doesn't allow my posts to be hidden from you like Twitter blocks.  I'm here to get medical information from other informed docs.  That's it.

Another Christmas card I won't be getting. 

Ah, well, my heart is breaking, but I think I'll live.

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The protests - actually the better word for 'largely peaceful'protests is 'riot'- are just another form of rally.

What a shame you added  "the better word for largely peaceful protests is riot" to an otherwise valid comment. To equate peaceful protest to riot is wrong, factually; and politically loaded, in terms of civil discourse.

Trump and his enablers are purposely trying to push this alternate truth on their cult followers. The rest of the world, however, with ample video evidence, differentiates between the non-violent protests, usually happening during the day, and the violent riots, usually during the night. Different people are responsible for each.

And, contrary to the propaganda of the Trump reelection campaign, some (not all, maybe even not most; but some) of the rioting has been by police and by right-wing groups supporting Trump. Which doesn't change my point above, but is relevant because of context. In these very troubled times, repeating talking points as if they were fact, innocent mistake or not, reads like part of an organized campaign.

I didn't write anything concerning the political dlant of these events, Right or Left.

That said, :'LARGELY peaceful protests' is the latest euphemism. The operative word is the adjective. Most, if not all, riots (sic) consist of a minority of violent actors and a much larger number of supportive onlookers. 

Peaceful protests' are just that. No need for quantifying modifiers.