[oregontim]

I'll give two examples, both related to Latino voters, who seem to have shifted significantly towards Trump.  The aims of the BLM movement are noble, and many of their policy goals will benefit anyone, including Latino voters, who encounters the police.  But how do you think imagery of Che Guevara, who, ideology aside, was objectively a murderous despot, particularly to Cuban emigres in South Florida, plays?  Secondly, something like 90% of people of Latino descent have never heard of the term "Latinx", don't know how to pronounce it, feel it wipes out their heritage, and sure as hell don't want to be told who they are by a liberal elite.  Now, I get that gendered language is problematic for some people, but you can't impose a fix from above.  In some ways, those are trivial examples.  But they are very representative of the attitudes of progressives to the people they believe should naturally support them
BC

I'm very close to the Mexican vote, as in married 50 years to my Mexican wife, so five half-Mexican kids, fluent Spanish, 10 years in Mexico City, etc. I'd like to add to the above (not dispute it, but maybe clarify from a Mexican point of view) that the Mexican (Americans of Mexican ancestry) voters hate Donald Trump for good reason. That shows in the votes from California, Arizona, New Mexico, and Texas. I keep in close touch with a large family of in-laws, and they hate Trump without exceptions. Not surprising at all, considering his opening salvo ("criminals and rapists"), his textbook racism against judge Curiel, and the whole wall fiasco.

What is surprising, and is in fact the phenomenon you BC reference, is the Latino vote in southern Florida. I've had dealings with the Cuban community there off and on for years, and I'm pretty sure that is exactly what you refer to. That community is very emotional about Cuba, Castro, and communism. I think some of them — and Biden still got 55% of Miami, a majority, but less than Clinton's 64% — let anti-communism, founded or not, inform their votes.

By the way, what you say about the word "Latinx" matches what I hear from the Mexicans I know. To them it's a curiosity, an overabundance of accommodation that's not needed or asked for. The singular has gender, as in Latina or Latino, but the plural is Latinos if it's both genders, Latinas if it's only women. Spanish speaking women are not offended by that fundamental of the language, So I hear.

[oregontim]

I'll give two examples, both related to Latino voters, who seem to have shifted significantly towards Trump.  The aims of the BLM movement are noble, and many of their policy goals will benefit anyone, including Latino voters, who encounters the police.  But how do you think imagery of Che Guevara, who, ideology aside, was objectively a murderous despot, particularly to Cuban emigres in South Florida, plays?  Secondly, something like 90% of people of Latino descent have never heard of the term "Latinx", don't know how to pronounce it, feel it wipes out their heritage, and sure as hell don't want to be told who they are by a liberal elite.  Now, I get that gendered language is problematic for some people, but you can't impose a fix from above.  In some ways, those are trivial examples.  But they are very representative of the attitudes of progressives to the people they believe should naturally support them
BC

I'm very close to the Mexican vote, as in married 50 years to my Mexican wife, so five half-Mexican kids, fluent Spanish, 10 years in Mexico City, etc. I'd like to add to the above (not dispute it, but maybe clarify from a Mexican point of view) that the Mexican (Americans of Mexican ancestry) voters hate Donald Trump for good reason. That shows in the votes from California, Arizona, New Mexico, and Texas. I keep in close touch with a large family of in-laws, and they hate Trump without exceptions. Not surprising at all, considering his opening salvo ("criminals and rapists"), his textbook racism against judge Curiel, and the whole wall fiasco.

What is surprising, and is in fact the phenomenon you BC reference, is the Latino vote in southern Florida. I've had dealings with the Cuban community there off and on for years, and I'm pretty sure that is exactly what you refer to. That community is very emotional about Cuba, Castro, and communism. I think some of them — and Biden still got 55% of Miami, a majority, but less than Clinton's 64% — let anti-communism, founded or not, inform their votes.

By the way, what you say about the word "Latinx" matches what I hear from the Mexicans I know. To them it's a curiosity, an overabundance of accommodation that's not needed or asked for. The singular has gender, as in Latina or Latino, but the plural is Latinos if it's both genders, Latinas if it's only women. Spanish speaking women are not offended by that fundamental of the language, So I hear.