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Mick,

I've been struggling to understand how democrats are rejected by Trumpers both because they are the party of elites and because they're socialists.  In fact, it's the party that supports raising minimum wage, less regressive taxation, enhancing opportunities for those historically disadvantaged, and providing universal health care.  In other words, the party that wants to use power for the benefit of a broad coalition.  And to save us individuals from a terrible pandemic (to keep this posting very tenuously on topic).  Would it really be so terrible if the country were more egalitarian, like those of northern Europe?

Meanwhile, a silver spoon-fed real estate developer supported by billionaire-run Fox News, and multi-millionare on-screen "talents, along the most exploitative ilk you can find (Koch brothers, et. al -- see link) is the party of the common man?

https://www.forbes.com/sites/michelatind...cbb9f97989

Endless projection and distortion of what democrats stand for.  Elitism driving the party of Biden/Harris?  Please.

Oh, and we get it that you expect Biden to die soon -- you mention it in just about every one of your posts.

This election to me showed that we remain a middle slight left, middle slight right country.  Moderates prevailed in this election.  Which I think is a good thing.  Even in Calif, the Propositions trended toward moderates.  

As for socialism etc - take it from Congresswoman Spanberger (D.Va) Her comments - “we have to commit to not use the word “socialist” or “socialism” ever again.  If we are classifying Tuesday as a success we will get f——g torn apart in 2022.”

We aren’t Denmark and we never will be.  You simply can’t compare the US to Northern European countries - all of which are small, homogeneous etc.


In the end, for me, this election looks about perfect.  Biden wins and the GOP holds the Senate. (I don’t want either party right now to control Congress and the WH) Pending Georgia runoffs (and my goodness, how much money will go to those races!)

Biden talks about bring a uniter.  I believe he wants to be.  I believe that is who he is.  But he will  have to hold off his party’s left.  And try to work a bit with McConnell.  Difficult tasks to say the least.  But I try to be optimistic.

Mick,

As I was feeling guilty about violating the Terry Rule in my previous post, I don't intent to respond in detail to your post.  I just want to say that whereas a few of your characterizations of the beliefs of the typical Democrat in my orbit capture the ways in which their values differ from what I ascribe to the typical Republican, such as concerns about the income that those running corporations make relative to the lower-level employees (hence the reason that we lionize Ben and Jerry of Ben & Jerry's), most of your stereotypes are either entirely foreign or obnoxious caricatures.  Immigrants over citizens?  Fascist tendencies?  Now I must admit that for some unknown reason, the folks in my East Denver neighborhood are way into vandalism and arson, so I guess you hit upon something there.

Your definition of elitism is so broad that it seems to include anyone who is successful in their field, financially or otherwise.  If you read the Atlantic -- and thereby seek to educate yourself -- you're elite?  And is that something to which a person should not aspire, and want have as part of his "team"?  I hope you aren't advocating the the Q-Anon adherents in the country be put in positions of leadership, like the recently elected representatives from Georgia and my state of Colorado.  If it is elitism to think such individuals are misguided and dangerous, well, thank God for elitism.

In my way of thinking, to paraphrase Forrest Gump, elitism is what elitism does.  If you really care about everyone in society, and are willing to make personal sacrifices to help those in greater need, you don't suffer from elitism, because you see that success always, to greater or lesser degrees, a matter of good fortune.  And if you profess to care, but instead exploit others, it means you feel you are superior to them, and thereby practicing elitism.  In my view, Trump, Trump's family, and the members of Trump's Cabinet claim to care about the coal miners, factory workers, and other constituents who have fallen behind during the last generation, but that in fact they really do not.  In contrast, the folks in my neighborhood who vote against their personal financial interests in the hopes of others, do care.

Administrators -- I've said my piece on this.  Future postings to be confined to Covid or Stanford sports.

[DenverCard]

Mick,

I've been struggling to understand how democrats are rejected by Trumpers both because they are the party of elites and because they're socialists.  In fact, it's the party that supports raising minimum wage, less regressive taxation, enhancing opportunities for those historically disadvantaged, and providing universal health care.  In other words, the party that wants to use power for the benefit of a broad coalition.  And to save us individuals from a terrible pandemic (to keep this posting very tenuously on topic).  Would it really be so terrible if the country were more egalitarian, like those of northern Europe?

Meanwhile, a silver spoon-fed real estate developer supported by billionaire-run Fox News, and multi-millionare on-screen "talents, along the most exploitative ilk you can find (Koch brothers, et. al -- see link) is the party of the common man?

https://www.forbes.com/sites/michelatind...cbb9f97989

Endless projection and distortion of what democrats stand for.  Elitism driving the party of Biden/Harris?  Please.

Oh, and we get it that you expect Biden to die soon -- you mention it in just about every one of your posts.

This election to me showed that we remain a middle slight left, middle slight right country.  Moderates prevailed in this election.  Which I think is a good thing.  Even in Calif, the Propositions trended toward moderates.  

As for socialism etc - take it from Congresswoman Spanberger (D.Va) Her comments - “we have to commit to not use the word “socialist” or “socialism” ever again.  If we are classifying Tuesday as a success we will get f——g torn apart in 2022.”

We aren’t Denmark and we never will be.  You simply can’t compare the US to Northern European countries - all of which are small, homogeneous etc.


In the end, for me, this election looks about perfect.  Biden wins and the GOP holds the Senate. (I don’t want either party right now to control Congress and the WH) Pending Georgia runoffs (and my goodness, how much money will go to those races!)

Biden talks about bring a uniter.  I believe he wants to be.  I believe that is who he is.  But he will  have to hold off his party’s left.  And try to work a bit with McConnell.  Difficult tasks to say the least.  But I try to be optimistic.

Mick,

As I was feeling guilty about violating the Terry Rule in my previous post, I don't intent to respond in detail to your post.  I just want to say that whereas a few of your characterizations of the beliefs of the typical Democrat in my orbit capture the ways in which their values differ from what I ascribe to the typical Republican, such as concerns about the income that those running corporations make relative to the lower-level employees (hence the reason that we lionize Ben and Jerry of Ben & Jerry's), most of your stereotypes are either entirely foreign or obnoxious caricatures.  Immigrants over citizens?  Fascist tendencies?  Now I must admit that for some unknown reason, the folks in my East Denver neighborhood are way into vandalism and arson, so I guess you hit upon something there.

Your definition of elitism is so broad that it seems to include anyone who is successful in their field, financially or otherwise.  If you read the Atlantic -- and thereby seek to educate yourself -- you're elite?  And is that something to which a person should not aspire, and want have as part of his "team"?  I hope you aren't advocating the the Q-Anon adherents in the country be put in positions of leadership, like the recently elected representatives from Georgia and my state of Colorado.  If it is elitism to think such individuals are misguided and dangerous, well, thank God for elitism.

In my way of thinking, to paraphrase Forrest Gump, elitism is what elitism does.  If you really care about everyone in society, and are willing to make personal sacrifices to help those in greater need, you don't suffer from elitism, because you see that success always, to greater or lesser degrees, a matter of good fortune.  And if you profess to care, but instead exploit others, it means you feel you are superior to them, and thereby practicing elitism.  In my view, Trump, Trump's family, and the members of Trump's Cabinet claim to care about the coal miners, factory workers, and other constituents who have fallen behind during the last generation, but that in fact they really do not.  In contrast, the folks in my neighborhood who vote against their personal financial interests in the hopes of others, do care.

Administrators -- I've said my piece on this.  Future postings to be confined to Covid or Stanford sports.