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QBR ratings for starting QBs under Shaw:

Luck (2009-2011): 143.5, 170.2, 169.7
Nunes (2012): 119.6
Hogan (2012-2015): 147.9, 151.5, 145.8, 171.0
Burns (2016): 121.2
Chryst (2016-2017): 133.8, 123.1
Costello (2017-2019): 139.5, 155.0, 121.6
West (2019-2020): 84.4, 136.5
Mills (2019-2020):  144.8, 139.9

KJ Costello regressed? Sure. He was injured at the end of the first half of the first game in the clusterf**k 2019 season and wasn't the same when he returned. But note that his lowest QB rating was at Mississippi State (114.6). So I guess that proves that Leach can't develop quarterbacks?

Kevin Hogan was dealing with a family tragedy his junior year, but it's true that Shaw didn't tell him to suck it up and focus on football.

Nunes did not perform consistently and was replaced by Hogan and then had a career-ending injury, so it's true that he did not develop. Burns also did not perform consistently and was replaced by Chryst, so by definition he did not develop.

However, West looked much better to me versus Oregon in 2020 than he did in 2019 (versus UCLA), so it's not right to say that he hasn't developed.

Due to various injuries, Davis Mills made 11 starts at Stanford, less than one full non-Covid season. Is he disappointed by his draft selection? Maybe, but I don't see how that's Shaw's fault.

Based on what Leach did against Stanford with graduate transfers, I'll give him the benefit of the doubt.  Costello's lack of production might be due more to Shaw and besides Leach has a legitimate gripe given it was his first season in the SEC and during COVID.

What's more telling is, how many of those 4/5 star QBs above (that actually started) got drafted in the first 3 rounds besides luck (who was really under Harbaugh)?  I completely forgot about Keller, which is sad.  Again, the point stands.  If I'm a 5 star QB or OL recruit, why on earth would I go to Stanford vs OU, Bama, Ohio State based on potential vs result? Education not withstanding. Again at that point, it's a trade-off between a 40 year decision / degree vs much higher earning potential. Sure, OSU has some clunkers like J.T. Barrett, but then again it did get Dwayne Haskins and Justin Fields drafted.

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QBR ratings for starting QBs under Shaw:

Luck (2009-2011): 143.5, 170.2, 169.7
Nunes (2012): 119.6
Hogan (2012-2015): 147.9, 151.5, 145.8, 171.0
Burns (2016): 121.2
Chryst (2016-2017): 133.8, 123.1
Costello (2017-2019): 139.5, 155.0, 121.6
West (2019-2020): 84.4, 136.5
Mills (2019-2020):  144.8, 139.9

KJ Costello regressed? Sure. He was injured at the end of the first half of the first game in the clusterf**k 2019 season and wasn't the same when he returned. But note that his lowest QB rating was at Mississippi State (114.6). So I guess that proves that Leach can't develop quarterbacks?

Kevin Hogan was dealing with a family tragedy his junior year, but it's true that Shaw didn't tell him to suck it up and focus on football.

Nunes did not perform consistently and was replaced by Hogan and then had a career-ending injury, so it's true that he did not develop. Burns also did not perform consistently and was replaced by Chryst, so by definition he did not develop.

However, West looked much better to me versus Oregon in 2020 than he did in 2019 (versus UCLA), so it's not right to say that he hasn't developed.

Due to various injuries, Davis Mills made 11 starts at Stanford, less than one full non-Covid season. Is he disappointed by his draft selection? Maybe, but I don't see how that's Shaw's fault.

Based on what Leach did against Stanford with graduate transfers, I'll give him the benefit of the doubt.  Costello's lack of production might be due more to Shaw and besides Leach has a legitimate gripe given it was his first season in the SEC and during COVID.

What's more telling is, how many of those 4/5 star QBs above (that actually started) got drafted in the first 3 rounds besides luck (who was really under Harbaugh)?  I completely forgot about Keller, which is sad.  Again, the point stands.  If I'm a 5 star QB or OL recruit, why on earth would I go to Stanford vs OU, Bama, Ohio State based on potential vs result? Education not withstanding. Again at that point, it's a trade-off between a 40 year decision / degree vs much higher earning potential. Sure, OSU has some clunkers like J.T. Barrett, but then again it did get Dwayne Haskins and Justin Fields drafted.