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I don't think Harbaugh had anything to do with recruiting CMac, Blake Martinez, Bryce Love,
and really any of the players on the 2015 Rose Bowl team other than the fifth year seniors.

Harbaugh went to 1 BCS/NY6 Bowl (and it wasn't a Rose Bowl and he never won the conference). Shaw has been to 4.

You actually believing the above is part of the problem.

Shaw was able to recruit in 2011, 2012, 2013 period with football-firsters because Harbaugh had left him a Top 5 program, including complete STUDS on D that allowed the team to win a lot, despite Shaw calling the shots on O.  Maybe C-Mac comes to Stanford anyway, because of his old man's ties, but tell me this:  if C-Mac were a recruit today, do you think he would choose Stanford? 

For the love of god, people, wake the eff up.  Shaw is pile-driving this program right down the drain.

I am class of 2015 (so I was on campus during this era). I think the Stanford recruit in 2010 fits the same general profile as the Stanford recruit in 2020 (high achievers on both the football field and in the classroom). I doubt many if any of the players cared only about football, or didn't at least put academics on equal billing with football. If anything, the players on those teams stayed in school longer (like Luck to graduate with his undergrad degree even if he was clearly ready for the pros after the 2010 season) than the top players do now (which I think, in part, explains some of our decline in performance, because it makes it harder for us to build up depth, and forces us to play more inexperienced players when players move on to the pros). 

Also, we are recruiting top 2-3 classes in the Pac at least somewhat frequently, so we are getting plenty of talented players now (so I don't think football-firsters are necessarily the answer even if that is who we were recruiting). 

My dad is a UM alum (so I follow a fair amount of Michigan football). Harbaugh now has Michigan resources (so as much if not more money without Stanford's stringent academic requirements) and still hasn't been to a Rose Bowl, won a division title, or won a conference championship game. He is 0'fer against his biggest rival, and now has a losing record against MSU after losing again to his in-state rival that has mostly been known more for its basketball team. 

Your argument about Jim doing everything for Shaw would be more convincing if Jim actually achieved some of these accomplishments that Shaw has in his 10 years on the Farm (and Jim has now coached in college at two different P5 schools for 10+ years combined).

[d4cohn]

I don't think Harbaugh had anything to do with recruiting CMac, Blake Martinez, Bryce Love,
and really any of the players on the 2015 Rose Bowl team other than the fifth year seniors.

Harbaugh went to 1 BCS/NY6 Bowl (and it wasn't a Rose Bowl and he never won the conference). Shaw has been to 4.

You actually believing the above is part of the problem.

Shaw was able to recruit in 2011, 2012, 2013 period with football-firsters because Harbaugh had left him a Top 5 program, including complete STUDS on D that allowed the team to win a lot, despite Shaw calling the shots on O.  Maybe C-Mac comes to Stanford anyway, because of his old man's ties, but tell me this:  if C-Mac were a recruit today, do you think he would choose Stanford? 

For the love of god, people, wake the eff up.  Shaw is pile-driving this program right down the drain.

I am class of 2015 (so I was on campus during this era). I think the Stanford recruit in 2010 fits the same general profile as the Stanford recruit in 2020 (high achievers on both the football field and in the classroom). I doubt many if any of the players cared only about football, or didn't at least put academics on equal billing with football. If anything, the players on those teams stayed in school longer (like Luck to graduate with his undergrad degree even if he was clearly ready for the pros after the 2010 season) than the top players do now (which I think, in part, explains some of our decline in performance, because it makes it harder for us to build up depth, and forces us to play more inexperienced players when players move on to the pros). 

Also, we are recruiting top 2-3 classes in the Pac at least somewhat frequently, so we are getting plenty of talented players now (so I don't think football-firsters are necessarily the answer even if that is who we were recruiting). 

My dad is a UM alum (so I follow a fair amount of Michigan football). Harbaugh now has Michigan resources (so as much if not more money without Stanford's stringent academic requirements) and still hasn't been to a Rose Bowl, won a division title, or won a conference championship game. He is 0'fer against his biggest rival, and now has a losing record against MSU after losing again to his in-state rival that has mostly been known more for its basketball team. 

Your argument about Jim doing everything for Shaw would be more convincing if Jim actually achieved some of these accomplishments that Shaw has in his 10 years on the Farm (and Jim has now coached in college at two different P5 schools for 10+ years combined).