[chrisk]

 But there's  larger truth that must be addressed: a perennial losing team,

Can you give me the facts on that larger truth?

When was our Stanford's last winning season?  How many losing seasons has it had in the last decade?

OK  I will take the bait and say this:
1. Stanford's "losing-season" era began in 2019 and will likely continue as long as Shaw is HC.

You got that wrong.  Stanford had a winning season last year.  True, it was 4-2 in a COVID year.

You also didn't answer the other question.  Stanford football has had one losing season in the last decade.  The current season will be the second.

If you want to misrepresent the facts and say Stanford football is a perennial losing team, I think Cal's got a place you can be very negative about Stanford.


It's sorta interesting.  I was an undergrad at a school that truly had a perennial losing football team.  Nobody bitched & complained about the coaches or players.  Not everyone paid attention, but those that did truly cheered them on and celebrated each little victory.

Stanford wins far more of its sporting events than any other school, but this board is festering with negativity,  feeding on itself.  Coaches at Stanford are highly respected by their peers but not by a subset of the members here.  But, I guess that subset believes they know better.  Maybe they should quit their day job and apply as a coach for Stanford.  Maybe you can recruit better?

MT, Sam Leopold and others defending Shaw, I'm curious if:

1.  You've actually watched the games over the years (or just one of those check-the-scores-the-next-day kind of fans)?

2.  You've actually attended the games in-person and seen the vibe in the stands?

3.  Have any sense where the program was when Shaw took over and where it stands right now?

In a previous post I laid out the rationale why what we're seeing now is Shaw at his sea level.  This is his team, his program, without any lingering benefits (including recruiting benefits from monster roster he inherited that won in 2011 and 2012).  And make no mistake, this is as BAD as Stanford football has ever been, including the Dark Times.  Why anyone think Shaw "deserves" any kind of long leash from the fan base is a mystery.  He has been ridiculously compensated for his services.  Time to thank him and move on.  Otherwise, the program is Neidermeyer.

How can this season be as bad as the Dark Times?
Stanford is the only team in the Pac-12 that has beaten 2 ranked teams.

[chrisk]

 But there's  larger truth that must be addressed: a perennial losing team,

Can you give me the facts on that larger truth?

When was our Stanford's last winning season?  How many losing seasons has it had in the last decade?

OK  I will take the bait and say this:
1. Stanford's "losing-season" era began in 2019 and will likely continue as long as Shaw is HC.

You got that wrong.  Stanford had a winning season last year.  True, it was 4-2 in a COVID year.

You also didn't answer the other question.  Stanford football has had one losing season in the last decade.  The current season will be the second.

If you want to misrepresent the facts and say Stanford football is a perennial losing team, I think Cal's got a place you can be very negative about Stanford.


It's sorta interesting.  I was an undergrad at a school that truly had a perennial losing football team.  Nobody bitched & complained about the coaches or players.  Not everyone paid attention, but those that did truly cheered them on and celebrated each little victory.

Stanford wins far more of its sporting events than any other school, but this board is festering with negativity,  feeding on itself.  Coaches at Stanford are highly respected by their peers but not by a subset of the members here.  But, I guess that subset believes they know better.  Maybe they should quit their day job and apply as a coach for Stanford.  Maybe you can recruit better?

MT, Sam Leopold and others defending Shaw, I'm curious if:

1.  You've actually watched the games over the years (or just one of those check-the-scores-the-next-day kind of fans)?

2.  You've actually attended the games in-person and seen the vibe in the stands?

3.  Have any sense where the program was when Shaw took over and where it stands right now?

In a previous post I laid out the rationale why what we're seeing now is Shaw at his sea level.  This is his team, his program, without any lingering benefits (including recruiting benefits from monster roster he inherited that won in 2011 and 2012).  And make no mistake, this is as BAD as Stanford football has ever been, including the Dark Times.  Why anyone think Shaw "deserves" any kind of long leash from the fan base is a mystery.  He has been ridiculously compensated for his services.  Time to thank him and move on.  Otherwise, the program is Neidermeyer.

How can this season be as bad as the Dark Times?
Stanford is the only team in the Pac-12 that has beaten 2 ranked teams.