[spike5882]

Spike5882,
Did your post go completely over my head?  Was it really a comment similar to "I come to bury Caesar, not to praise him." and I just took it at face value ("to bury" how fast her times are compared to cis-female swimmers)?

Putting someone's early-season bests against the lifetime bests of American record holders is not very informative.  (For instance, when Ledecky went the 1:40.36 in the 200 Fr in March 2017, she swam a 1:43.09 (and faster than Manuel at the time) against Cal a few weeks earlier.  That 2017 time at Cal was a pool record, which is notable because the (still current) American Record was set by a Cal swimmer a couple of years earlier.   You indicate Lia Thomas has a 1:41.93 so far this year.)

I have added (in red) her best swims (as Will Thomas) to your table and noted the American records.  Whether she will go faster or slower than those lifetime bests is unknown at this time.  If she goes near her lifetime bests, she will break the American record in three events.

To put in perspective how Lia Thomas is doing this year, I have put her best times vs previous Stanford swimmers in all events.

200 Free
Missy Franklin     1:39.10  American Record for Women
Will Thomas        1:39.31
Lia Thomas         1:41.93

Ledecky              1:40.36
Taylor Ruck         1:40.37
Simone Manuel    1:40.37


500 Free
Will Thomas       4:18.72
Lia Thomas        4:34:06

Katie Ledecky.    4:24.06  American Record for Women
Brooke Ford       4:31.34
Ella Eastin          4:32.89

1000 Free
Will Thomas        8:55.75
Lia Thomas         9:35.96

Ledecky              8:59.65  American Record for Women
Ledecky              9:05.89


1650 Free 
Will Thomas        14:54.76
Lia Thomas         15:59.56

Ledecky              15:03.31  American Record for Women
Plus 5 more (she would be 7th on Stanford's list)

Do you not understand the impact of hormone therapy during transitioning on a persons strength or do you think she is just the same physically as two years ago before treatment? As a female, she will never swim nearly as fast as the times while swimming as a male prior to her transitioning.  There have been ample medical studies showing this.  

Also, the times posted are her lifetime bests as a female as well. Though I do understand she has been swimming for a short time as a female and certainly may surpass those. The times posted for the Stanford swimmers are their collegiate bests not necessarily lifetime bests. 

Obviously this week will be a reflection of where Lia is at today.

[spike5882]

Spike5882,
Did your post go completely over my head?  Was it really a comment similar to "I come to bury Caesar, not to praise him." and I just took it at face value ("to bury" how fast her times are compared to cis-female swimmers)?

Putting someone's early-season bests against the lifetime bests of American record holders is not very informative.  (For instance, when Ledecky went the 1:40.36 in the 200 Fr in March 2017, she swam a 1:43.09 (and faster than Manuel at the time) against Cal a few weeks earlier.  That 2017 time at Cal was a pool record, which is notable because the (still current) American Record was set by a Cal swimmer a couple of years earlier.   You indicate Lia Thomas has a 1:41.93 so far this year.)

I have added (in red) her best swims (as Will Thomas) to your table and noted the American records.  Whether she will go faster or slower than those lifetime bests is unknown at this time.  If she goes near her lifetime bests, she will break the American record in three events.

To put in perspective how Lia Thomas is doing this year, I have put her best times vs previous Stanford swimmers in all events.

200 Free
Missy Franklin     1:39.10  American Record for Women
Will Thomas        1:39.31
Lia Thomas         1:41.93

Ledecky              1:40.36
Taylor Ruck         1:40.37
Simone Manuel    1:40.37


500 Free
Will Thomas       4:18.72
Lia Thomas        4:34:06

Katie Ledecky.    4:24.06  American Record for Women
Brooke Ford       4:31.34
Ella Eastin          4:32.89

1000 Free
Will Thomas        8:55.75
Lia Thomas         9:35.96

Ledecky              8:59.65  American Record for Women
Ledecky              9:05.89


1650 Free 
Will Thomas        14:54.76
Lia Thomas         15:59.56

Ledecky              15:03.31  American Record for Women
Plus 5 more (she would be 7th on Stanford's list)

Do you not understand the impact of hormone therapy during transitioning on a persons strength or do you think she is just the same physically as two years ago before treatment? As a female, she will never swim nearly as fast as the times while swimming as a male prior to her transitioning.  There have been ample medical studies showing this.  

Also, the times posted are her lifetime bests as a female as well. Though I do understand she has been swimming for a short time as a female and certainly may surpass those. The times posted for the Stanford swimmers are their collegiate bests not necessarily lifetime bests. 

Obviously this week will be a reflection of where Lia is at today.