[teejers1]

I embedded it for you, and Muth is dead on.  His concern about trajectory of the football team is well understood, but his ability to put it into perspective the difference between the two coaches is spot on.

BC

If Shaw had built a program or taken over one that was mediocre and compiled the record he did, then you (and Muth) would have a much better point.  You continue to over-credit Shaw's record due to the program he was gifted.

Shaw is medium to mediocre; Haase is just mediocre.  (The late season fades are brutal - and the Cal L in hoops was eerily similar to football, out of the contest early against poor foe).

[teejers1]

I embedded it for you, and Muth is dead on.  His concern about trajectory of the football team is well understood, but his ability to put it into perspective the difference between the two coaches is spot on.

BC

If Shaw had built a program or taken over one that was mediocre and compiled the record he did, then you (and Muth) would have a much better point.  You continue to over-credit Shaw's record due to the program he was gifted.

Shaw is medium to mediocre; Haase is just mediocre.  (The late season fades are brutal - and the Cal L in hoops was eerily similar to football, out of the contest early against poor foe).