[lex24]

In my eyes, Wilson and Garoppolo are both far from ideal.

At least when Garoppolo has been healthy and played a full season over the past five years, he's been to two NFC championships and a superbowl in his only two healthy seasons as a starter.  Two years he was injured, one year he came in mid-season.  But the other two, great results.  And of course, his career win% with the Niners is 70.2% while Wilson's is 66.2%.

You know what you get with Russell.  He stays healthy.  He's been a starter since 2017, and since then, Russell Wilson's Seahawks missed the playoffs twice, lost the wild card game twice and won the wild card game once and lost the divisional playoff game.  Incidentally, that was the result in 2015 and 2016.  Wilson hasn't been to a conference championship since 2014.  But he's worth two first rounders, two second rounders, a backup QB who led the league in INTs two years ago, a starting tight end, and a starting DL.  Yikes.

Wilson is a top 10 QB.  He’s been a starter since 2012.  Top 5 if he gets back to form.  He is a tremendous downfield passer, has great feet, is a good runner.  One of the most accurate passers in football.  He won an SB and would have won a second had Carroll simply had him hand it to Lynch.

Team has dropped off a bit.  Lost running game and the defense ain’t what it used to be.  Glad he’s out of the Division.  He owned the Niners.

You're right on all counts.  Wilson is a top 10 QB, exactly #10 by ESPN's QBR rating. He was #20 in completion percentage (Garoppolo was #5). He was #18 in rushing yards by a quarterback.

Wilson did win one Super Bowl eight years ago, and lost the Super Bowl one year later.  Since then, he hasn't advanced past the divisional game.

I think QBR is a useful metric but far from definitive, particularly if you only go back one year - a year in which Wilson played with a compromised finger which clearly impacted his throws.

Setting that aside, Wilson was #10 last year. Right ahead of him at #9 was Carson Wentz. Right behind Wilson at #11 was Joe Burrow.

Also true that Wilson has only been to two Super Bowls, the most recent being seven years ago. Meanwhile the reigning back-to-back MVP of the league has been to a total of one Super Bowl in his career, eleven years ago.

And he's $200 million wealthier...

I think Garoppolo ends up with the Colts.  Colts have 73rd and 82nd overall picks in the third round.  One of those this year, another pick next year assuming Garoppolo satisfies certain conditions.  And the Colts steal a decent QB.

I’m not as statistic oriented as you, Mick. Wilson is and has been a top QB for years.  

As for JG, the Wentz trade makes things interesting.  What the Colts received is probably fairly close to JG’s market value.  OTOH, the list is shrinking - Rodgers, Brady, Wilson, Wentz off the board.

My understanding is that the Grand Jury is convening regarding possible criminal charges against Watson.  If they bring an indictment, he’s off the board.  If not - there are teams that may take the risk.  He’s a major talent.  

If Watson isn’t available, that increases JG’s trade value.  Niners didn’t want to wait (I don’t think). But surgery may have forced that.

[lex24]

In my eyes, Wilson and Garoppolo are both far from ideal.

At least when Garoppolo has been healthy and played a full season over the past five years, he's been to two NFC championships and a superbowl in his only two healthy seasons as a starter.  Two years he was injured, one year he came in mid-season.  But the other two, great results.  And of course, his career win% with the Niners is 70.2% while Wilson's is 66.2%.

You know what you get with Russell.  He stays healthy.  He's been a starter since 2017, and since then, Russell Wilson's Seahawks missed the playoffs twice, lost the wild card game twice and won the wild card game once and lost the divisional playoff game.  Incidentally, that was the result in 2015 and 2016.  Wilson hasn't been to a conference championship since 2014.  But he's worth two first rounders, two second rounders, a backup QB who led the league in INTs two years ago, a starting tight end, and a starting DL.  Yikes.

Wilson is a top 10 QB.  He’s been a starter since 2012.  Top 5 if he gets back to form.  He is a tremendous downfield passer, has great feet, is a good runner.  One of the most accurate passers in football.  He won an SB and would have won a second had Carroll simply had him hand it to Lynch.

Team has dropped off a bit.  Lost running game and the defense ain’t what it used to be.  Glad he’s out of the Division.  He owned the Niners.

You're right on all counts.  Wilson is a top 10 QB, exactly #10 by ESPN's QBR rating. He was #20 in completion percentage (Garoppolo was #5). He was #18 in rushing yards by a quarterback.

Wilson did win one Super Bowl eight years ago, and lost the Super Bowl one year later.  Since then, he hasn't advanced past the divisional game.

I think QBR is a useful metric but far from definitive, particularly if you only go back one year - a year in which Wilson played with a compromised finger which clearly impacted his throws.

Setting that aside, Wilson was #10 last year. Right ahead of him at #9 was Carson Wentz. Right behind Wilson at #11 was Joe Burrow.

Also true that Wilson has only been to two Super Bowls, the most recent being seven years ago. Meanwhile the reigning back-to-back MVP of the league has been to a total of one Super Bowl in his career, eleven years ago.

And he's $200 million wealthier...

I think Garoppolo ends up with the Colts.  Colts have 73rd and 82nd overall picks in the third round.  One of those this year, another pick next year assuming Garoppolo satisfies certain conditions.  And the Colts steal a decent QB.

I’m not as statistic oriented as you, Mick. Wilson is and has been a top QB for years.  

As for JG, the Wentz trade makes things interesting.  What the Colts received is probably fairly close to JG’s market value.  OTOH, the list is shrinking - Rodgers, Brady, Wilson, Wentz off the board.

My understanding is that the Grand Jury is convening regarding possible criminal charges against Watson.  If they bring an indictment, he’s off the board.  If not - there are teams that may take the risk.  He’s a major talent.  

If Watson isn’t available, that increases JG’s trade value.  Niners didn’t want to wait (I don’t think). But surgery may have forced that.