[msqueri]

Yeah, I think many Cardboarders have answered the question of how much longer do things have to suck before we conclude changes have to be made. Their answer is we should have already concluded it.

If by "changes have to be made" you mean changes to the coaching staff then I think you're right. If you mean that Shaw needs to go I'm not sure too many of us are there. I'm not. As I've said previously, I think Shaw's overall record has earned him the right to fix the mess he's made. But if he's unwilling to fix it, and results don't improve then he needs to go.

How can you say IF he's unwilling to fix it when Lance Anderson is still the defensive coordinator?

How long does that right to fix the mess he's made apply? Again, no Hall of Fame level (which I believe Shaw's track record warrants) coach to my knowledge has ever fallen to Shaw's depths and bounced back. I know it's dissonant with the early successes and also not something that's enjoyable to acknowledge, but it's incredible to me that any close observers of Stanford football could doubt that in 2022 David Shaw is one of the worst coaches in the nation. The evidence of losing is just overwhelming at this point. Unless we pull a big upset the next two weeks we're going to have gone 371 days without having beaten a single major college football team. Over a year!

[msqueri]

Yeah, I think many Cardboarders have answered the question of how much longer do things have to suck before we conclude changes have to be made. Their answer is we should have already concluded it.

If by "changes have to be made" you mean changes to the coaching staff then I think you're right. If you mean that Shaw needs to go I'm not sure too many of us are there. I'm not. As I've said previously, I think Shaw's overall record has earned him the right to fix the mess he's made. But if he's unwilling to fix it, and results don't improve then he needs to go.

How can you say IF he's unwilling to fix it when Lance Anderson is still the defensive coordinator?

How long does that right to fix the mess he's made apply? Again, no Hall of Fame level (which I believe Shaw's track record warrants) coach to my knowledge has ever fallen to Shaw's depths and bounced back. I know it's dissonant with the early successes and also not something that's enjoyable to acknowledge, but it's incredible to me that any close observers of Stanford football could doubt that in 2022 David Shaw is one of the worst coaches in the nation. The evidence of losing is just overwhelming at this point. Unless we pull a big upset the next two weeks we're going to have gone 371 days without having beaten a single major college football team. Over a year!