[jacket3ree]

Uh yes, we're saying Shaw was a bad coach. Many of us felt that way as far back as 2011. Can you say "Fiasco Bowl"?

You mean the BCS bowl that could have been a national semifinal game in which Stanford went toe to toe into overtime with the #3 team in the country?  Calling that a "fiasco" is a narrative that needs to die a painful death.

[jacket3ree]

Uh yes, we're saying Shaw was a bad coach. Many of us felt that way as far back as 2011. Can you say "Fiasco Bowl"?

You mean the BCS bowl that could have been a national semifinal game in which Stanford went toe to toe into overtime with the #3 team in the country?  Calling that a "fiasco" is a narrative that needs to die a painful death.