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There have been 38 managers in Giants franchise history. Ranked by Giants winning percentage, the first three managed in the 19th century. The fourth was John McGraw. The fifth was another 19th century manager. The next two (Alvin Dark, Herman Franks) had Willie Mays, Willie McCovey, Orlando Cepeda, Harvey Kuenn, Jim Ray Hart, the Alou brothers, Juan Marichal, Mike McCormick, Gaylord Perry, Sanford, O'Dell, Pierce and Bolin. NO ONE on the current Giants roster can hold a candle to those players.

#8 was Bill Terry, managed in the 1930s. He had himself, Mel Ott, Carl Hubbell, Freddie Lindstrom, Travis Jackson. FIVE Hall of Famers. See any Hall of Famers on this year's squad? Next year's squad? The 2021 squad that won 107 games? Maybe Buster Posey, but frankly, I think Posey ends up like Bill Freehan...should be in, but he'll be out. That doesn't include pitchers like Castleman (15-6), Hal Schumacher (19-9). Doesn't include Jo-Jo Moore, six time All Star.

#9 was Leo Durocher, who had Mays, Johnny Mize, Sid Gordon, Whitey Lockman, Stanky, Dark, Bobby Thompson, Hank Thompson, Monte Irvin, Don Mueller, Wes Westrum, Sal Maglie, Larry Jansen. Some of those were Hall of Famers, ALL of them were multiple-year All Stars. See any multiple-year All Stars on this team?  Maybe Bailey...but not yet.

#10 is Kapler. 

Tenth best winning percentage among the 38 Giants managers. I can only imagine what it would have been if Posey had sucked it up and played during the COVID season, the season that the Giants finished one game out of the playoffs when they were forced to play Joey Bart and Chadwick Tromp at catcher. Kapler had a better winning percentage for the Giants than Felipe Alou, Roger Craig, Bruce Bochy, Dusty Baker and the rest. And let's not forget that Kapler came in after St. Bruce of Bochy had coached the team to consecutive 64-98, 73-89 and 77-85 records the three years prior to Kapler's arrival.

Rank on Farhan all you want. He put together a team of mediocre ballplayers. But they fired the wrong guy. And now some (Tim Kawakami, among others) want to replace Kapler (career winning percentage .526, SF Giants winning percentage .543) with Bob Melvin (career winning percentage .515). Melvin, who couldn't win with EIGHT multiple-year all-stars Gary Sanchez, Xander Bogaerts, Jake Cronenworth, Manny Machado, Juan Soto, Yu Darvish, Josh Hader and Matt Carpenter. And let's not forget Fernando Tatis (just one all star team, but finished 3rd and 4th in separate year MVP votes), Blake Snell (just one all star team but Cy Young winner and has TWICE led the NL in ERA, including this year), Joe Musgrove (three consecutive winning seasons and an All Star), Michael Wacha (24-6 last two seasons and a former all star, 87-54 career record) and Trent Grisham (2x Gold Glove CF). And eight of the Padres' nine starters are age 30 or younger.

And people think BOB MELVIN is the answer?  Ho. Ho. Ho. It is to laugh.

I’m one of those who wants to see Melvin at the helm.  Please, tell he why I’m wrong. Besides the Padres issues this year.

Read the highlighted paragraph. He couldn't do anything with a team full of All Stars and he has a .515 career winning percentage.

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There have been 38 managers in Giants franchise history. Ranked by Giants winning percentage, the first three managed in the 19th century. The fourth was John McGraw. The fifth was another 19th century manager. The next two (Alvin Dark, Herman Franks) had Willie Mays, Willie McCovey, Orlando Cepeda, Harvey Kuenn, Jim Ray Hart, the Alou brothers, Juan Marichal, Mike McCormick, Gaylord Perry, Sanford, O'Dell, Pierce and Bolin. NO ONE on the current Giants roster can hold a candle to those players.

#8 was Bill Terry, managed in the 1930s. He had himself, Mel Ott, Carl Hubbell, Freddie Lindstrom, Travis Jackson. FIVE Hall of Famers. See any Hall of Famers on this year's squad? Next year's squad? The 2021 squad that won 107 games? Maybe Buster Posey, but frankly, I think Posey ends up like Bill Freehan...should be in, but he'll be out. That doesn't include pitchers like Castleman (15-6), Hal Schumacher (19-9). Doesn't include Jo-Jo Moore, six time All Star.

#9 was Leo Durocher, who had Mays, Johnny Mize, Sid Gordon, Whitey Lockman, Stanky, Dark, Bobby Thompson, Hank Thompson, Monte Irvin, Don Mueller, Wes Westrum, Sal Maglie, Larry Jansen. Some of those were Hall of Famers, ALL of them were multiple-year All Stars. See any multiple-year All Stars on this team?  Maybe Bailey...but not yet.

#10 is Kapler. 

Tenth best winning percentage among the 38 Giants managers. I can only imagine what it would have been if Posey had sucked it up and played during the COVID season, the season that the Giants finished one game out of the playoffs when they were forced to play Joey Bart and Chadwick Tromp at catcher. Kapler had a better winning percentage for the Giants than Felipe Alou, Roger Craig, Bruce Bochy, Dusty Baker and the rest. And let's not forget that Kapler came in after St. Bruce of Bochy had coached the team to consecutive 64-98, 73-89 and 77-85 records the three years prior to Kapler's arrival.

Rank on Farhan all you want. He put together a team of mediocre ballplayers. But they fired the wrong guy. And now some (Tim Kawakami, among others) want to replace Kapler (career winning percentage .526, SF Giants winning percentage .543) with Bob Melvin (career winning percentage .515). Melvin, who couldn't win with EIGHT multiple-year all-stars Gary Sanchez, Xander Bogaerts, Jake Cronenworth, Manny Machado, Juan Soto, Yu Darvish, Josh Hader and Matt Carpenter. And let's not forget Fernando Tatis (just one all star team, but finished 3rd and 4th in separate year MVP votes), Blake Snell (just one all star team but Cy Young winner and has TWICE led the NL in ERA, including this year), Joe Musgrove (three consecutive winning seasons and an All Star), Michael Wacha (24-6 last two seasons and a former all star, 87-54 career record) and Trent Grisham (2x Gold Glove CF). And eight of the Padres' nine starters are age 30 or younger.

And people think BOB MELVIN is the answer?  Ho. Ho. Ho. It is to laugh.

This article makes the case better than I do:

https://theathletic.com/4914890/2023/09/...er-firing/?

"Because the Giants didn’t win enough. Why didn’t the Giants win enough? Because their roster didn’t have nearly enough talent or continuity. Why didn’t their roster have enough talent or continuity? Maybe because Giants president of baseball operations Farhan Zaidi operated with blind spots that have been so large at times that you wondered who ripped off the side mirrors.

"Zaidi has had five years to guide the Giants into the National League’s upper echelon. He’s worked with the broadest of latitudes. He made dozens of shrewd moves but received no pushback on the strange or unpopular decisions. That much was clear from his very first opening day in 2019, when the Giants started two unknowns (Connor Joe and Michael Reed) in the outfield corners. Zaidi’s five seasons have included one playoff appearance and many, many forced fits."

Giants fans would be frickin' lucky to snag Melvin. LUCKY. Indeed, Bo-Mel in SF puts me in a seat at Oracle. Where I haven't been since the GWB Administration. I'll still pass on the garlic fries, however.  https://www.sfchronicle.com/sports/giant...397438.php

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There have been 38 managers in Giants franchise history. Ranked by Giants winning percentage, the first three managed in the 19th century. The fourth was John McGraw. The fifth was another 19th century manager. The next two (Alvin Dark, Herman Franks) had Willie Mays, Willie McCovey, Orlando Cepeda, Harvey Kuenn, Jim Ray Hart, the Alou brothers, Juan Marichal, Mike McCormick, Gaylord Perry, Sanford, O'Dell, Pierce and Bolin. NO ONE on the current Giants roster can hold a candle to those players.

#8 was Bill Terry, managed in the 1930s. He had himself, Mel Ott, Carl Hubbell, Freddie Lindstrom, Travis Jackson. FIVE Hall of Famers. See any Hall of Famers on this year's squad? Next year's squad? The 2021 squad that won 107 games? Maybe Buster Posey, but frankly, I think Posey ends up like Bill Freehan...should be in, but he'll be out. That doesn't include pitchers like Castleman (15-6), Hal Schumacher (19-9). Doesn't include Jo-Jo Moore, six time All Star.

#9 was Leo Durocher, who had Mays, Johnny Mize, Sid Gordon, Whitey Lockman, Stanky, Dark, Bobby Thompson, Hank Thompson, Monte Irvin, Don Mueller, Wes Westrum, Sal Maglie, Larry Jansen. Some of those were Hall of Famers, ALL of them were multiple-year All Stars. See any multiple-year All Stars on this team?  Maybe Bailey...but not yet.

#10 is Kapler. 

Tenth best winning percentage among the 38 Giants managers. I can only imagine what it would have been if Posey had sucked it up and played during the COVID season, the season that the Giants finished one game out of the playoffs when they were forced to play Joey Bart and Chadwick Tromp at catcher. Kapler had a better winning percentage for the Giants than Felipe Alou, Roger Craig, Bruce Bochy, Dusty Baker and the rest. And let's not forget that Kapler came in after St. Bruce of Bochy had coached the team to consecutive 64-98, 73-89 and 77-85 records the three years prior to Kapler's arrival.

Rank on Farhan all you want. He put together a team of mediocre ballplayers. But they fired the wrong guy. And now some (Tim Kawakami, among others) want to replace Kapler (career winning percentage .526, SF Giants winning percentage .543) with Bob Melvin (career winning percentage .515). Melvin, who couldn't win with EIGHT multiple-year all-stars Gary Sanchez, Xander Bogaerts, Jake Cronenworth, Manny Machado, Juan Soto, Yu Darvish, Josh Hader and Matt Carpenter. And let's not forget Fernando Tatis (just one all star team, but finished 3rd and 4th in separate year MVP votes), Blake Snell (just one all star team but Cy Young winner and has TWICE led the NL in ERA, including this year), Joe Musgrove (three consecutive winning seasons and an All Star), Michael Wacha (24-6 last two seasons and a former all star, 87-54 career record) and Trent Grisham (2x Gold Glove CF). And eight of the Padres' nine starters are age 30 or younger.

And people think BOB MELVIN is the answer?  Ho. Ho. Ho. It is to laugh.

I’m one of those who wants to see Melvin at the helm.  Please, tell he why I’m wrong. Besides the Padres issues this year.

Read the highlighted paragraph. He couldn't do anything with a team full of All Stars and he has a .515 career winning percentage.

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There have been 38 managers in Giants franchise history. Ranked by Giants winning percentage, the first three managed in the 19th century. The fourth was John McGraw. The fifth was another 19th century manager. The next two (Alvin Dark, Herman Franks) had Willie Mays, Willie McCovey, Orlando Cepeda, Harvey Kuenn, Jim Ray Hart, the Alou brothers, Juan Marichal, Mike McCormick, Gaylord Perry, Sanford, O'Dell, Pierce and Bolin. NO ONE on the current Giants roster can hold a candle to those players.

#8 was Bill Terry, managed in the 1930s. He had himself, Mel Ott, Carl Hubbell, Freddie Lindstrom, Travis Jackson. FIVE Hall of Famers. See any Hall of Famers on this year's squad? Next year's squad? The 2021 squad that won 107 games? Maybe Buster Posey, but frankly, I think Posey ends up like Bill Freehan...should be in, but he'll be out. That doesn't include pitchers like Castleman (15-6), Hal Schumacher (19-9). Doesn't include Jo-Jo Moore, six time All Star.

#9 was Leo Durocher, who had Mays, Johnny Mize, Sid Gordon, Whitey Lockman, Stanky, Dark, Bobby Thompson, Hank Thompson, Monte Irvin, Don Mueller, Wes Westrum, Sal Maglie, Larry Jansen. Some of those were Hall of Famers, ALL of them were multiple-year All Stars. See any multiple-year All Stars on this team?  Maybe Bailey...but not yet.

#10 is Kapler. 

Tenth best winning percentage among the 38 Giants managers. I can only imagine what it would have been if Posey had sucked it up and played during the COVID season, the season that the Giants finished one game out of the playoffs when they were forced to play Joey Bart and Chadwick Tromp at catcher. Kapler had a better winning percentage for the Giants than Felipe Alou, Roger Craig, Bruce Bochy, Dusty Baker and the rest. And let's not forget that Kapler came in after St. Bruce of Bochy had coached the team to consecutive 64-98, 73-89 and 77-85 records the three years prior to Kapler's arrival.

Rank on Farhan all you want. He put together a team of mediocre ballplayers. But they fired the wrong guy. And now some (Tim Kawakami, among others) want to replace Kapler (career winning percentage .526, SF Giants winning percentage .543) with Bob Melvin (career winning percentage .515). Melvin, who couldn't win with EIGHT multiple-year all-stars Gary Sanchez, Xander Bogaerts, Jake Cronenworth, Manny Machado, Juan Soto, Yu Darvish, Josh Hader and Matt Carpenter. And let's not forget Fernando Tatis (just one all star team, but finished 3rd and 4th in separate year MVP votes), Blake Snell (just one all star team but Cy Young winner and has TWICE led the NL in ERA, including this year), Joe Musgrove (three consecutive winning seasons and an All Star), Michael Wacha (24-6 last two seasons and a former all star, 87-54 career record) and Trent Grisham (2x Gold Glove CF). And eight of the Padres' nine starters are age 30 or younger.

And people think BOB MELVIN is the answer?  Ho. Ho. Ho. It is to laugh.

This article makes the case better than I do:

https://theathletic.com/4914890/2023/09/...er-firing/?

"Because the Giants didn’t win enough. Why didn’t the Giants win enough? Because their roster didn’t have nearly enough talent or continuity. Why didn’t their roster have enough talent or continuity? Maybe because Giants president of baseball operations Farhan Zaidi operated with blind spots that have been so large at times that you wondered who ripped off the side mirrors.

"Zaidi has had five years to guide the Giants into the National League’s upper echelon. He’s worked with the broadest of latitudes. He made dozens of shrewd moves but received no pushback on the strange or unpopular decisions. That much was clear from his very first opening day in 2019, when the Giants started two unknowns (Connor Joe and Michael Reed) in the outfield corners. Zaidi’s five seasons have included one playoff appearance and many, many forced fits."

Giants fans would be frickin' lucky to snag Melvin. LUCKY. Indeed, Bo-Mel in SF puts me in a seat at Oracle. Where I haven't been since the GWB Administration. I'll still pass on the garlic fries, however.  https://www.sfchronicle.com/sports/giant...397438.php