10-11-2023, 11:06 AM
(This post was last modified: 10-11-2023, 01:06 PM by OutsiderFan.)
The U.S. working with Egypt to provide safe harbor for refugees from Gaza is an objective that makes sense in the moment. At this point, Israel would probably nuke Gaza if it could, but won't for mostly the same reasons Russia won't use them on Ukraine.
In theory, evacuate all who aren't terrorists so IDF can raze and seize Gaza with conventional munitions, is a path forward for Israel, but what, exactly is that going to solve or resolve? They might kill thousands of trouble makers in the near term, but the cost of the destruction is staggering, plus there are many more where they came from, and doing so might get them sympathizers to replace or add to the numbers of militants.
I agree with branner. More violence, slaughter, and destruction isn't going to resolve any core issue and will just add more tangles to the mess that must ultimately be untangled. The United States, Turkey, China, India, and Egypt need to all work together to figure out a way forward, that does what branner's other suggestion is, to stop other countries interfering with the region and let the people there figure things out on their own without outside influence. China and India can put pressure on Russia who can then pressure Iran, for example. And the U.S. can pull its military support as well so it won't be interfering either. I know it sounds crazy, but this is the best path forward. Let them kill each other until one side wipes out the other or they both decide the fight is no longer worth it and they try to find common ground to co-exist.
I understand the U.S. wants to support the only democracy in the region militarily, but it sure doesn't look like the strategy of arming Israel to the teeth is working very well in the end. It's not like arming Ukraine to stop an aggressor country so it won't do the same to others.
Oppressing people is never the answer. U.S. support of Israel has unbalanced the playing field, allowed it to be oppressors, and made people feel they have no choice to address their grievances other than with the barbaric acts Hamas has engaged in this week. I mean we can rightfully condemn the atrocities, but we shouldn't lose sight of the fact that people willing to go so far or supporting it are expressing something is deeply unacceptable to them that we must acknowledge and treat as legitimate concern that must be addressed.
In theory, evacuate all who aren't terrorists so IDF can raze and seize Gaza with conventional munitions, is a path forward for Israel, but what, exactly is that going to solve or resolve? They might kill thousands of trouble makers in the near term, but the cost of the destruction is staggering, plus there are many more where they came from, and doing so might get them sympathizers to replace or add to the numbers of militants.
I agree with branner. More violence, slaughter, and destruction isn't going to resolve any core issue and will just add more tangles to the mess that must ultimately be untangled. The United States, Turkey, China, India, and Egypt need to all work together to figure out a way forward, that does what branner's other suggestion is, to stop other countries interfering with the region and let the people there figure things out on their own without outside influence. China and India can put pressure on Russia who can then pressure Iran, for example. And the U.S. can pull its military support as well so it won't be interfering either. I know it sounds crazy, but this is the best path forward. Let them kill each other until one side wipes out the other or they both decide the fight is no longer worth it and they try to find common ground to co-exist.
I understand the U.S. wants to support the only democracy in the region militarily, but it sure doesn't look like the strategy of arming Israel to the teeth is working very well in the end. It's not like arming Ukraine to stop an aggressor country so it won't do the same to others.
Oppressing people is never the answer. U.S. support of Israel has unbalanced the playing field, allowed it to be oppressors, and made people feel they have no choice to address their grievances other than with the barbaric acts Hamas has engaged in this week. I mean we can rightfully condemn the atrocities, but we shouldn't lose sight of the fact that people willing to go so far or supporting it are expressing something is deeply unacceptable to them that we must acknowledge and treat as legitimate concern that must be addressed.