[Mick]

Mick, I’m as statistically minded as they come but I think it’s pretty fundamental this isn’t about reaching statistical thresholds but rather a subjective determination of whether somebody was one of the greats. If one wanted a metric, more illuminating than yards or touchdowns might be All Pro and Pro Bowl recognition. McCaffrey should be targeting six Pro Bowls. Solid chance with five. 

Frank Gore and Ricky Watters never made All Pro. That’s a debilitating weakness in convincing voters to call somebody worthy of the Hall of Fame when they were never the best at their position, even for a single year. This is the same thing that keeps Plunkett out (though in his case it’s even more stark as Gore and Watters made five Pro Bowls each while Plunkett made zero). Ultimately I think most voters look at Hall of Fame as a way to capture who the best in a given era was. And of course subjectivity and other things come into play. John Riggins in but Roger Craig not is profoundly stupid.

I fully realize that. I'm deploring it, is my message. Gore and Steven Jackson each reach 1,000+ yards for eight seasons. Not in. OJ Simpson only had two seasons better than Gore's and Jackson's best ('73 and '75) and really he only had four seasons that were terrific, and a fifth where he was just over the 1,000 yard threshold...basically he played in the NFL for 11 years, but was effective for five and all pro first team just twice. Marcus Allen's in the hall of fame, only had more than 1000 yards three times (once just barely), and had one great season with 1,759 yards. All pro just one time, his one MVP year. And don't get me started on Joe Namath. At least Plunkett has a .500 career record (exactly) at 72-72. Namath is below .500. And why is Hornung in the hall? Inveterate gamble, led the league in rushing TDs once, never had more than 681 yards. Stabler? All pro first team once, 2nd team once, two other pro bowls in a 15 year career. Considerably more INTs than TDs.

And why does the 1969 KC Chiefs defense have six in the Hall? Two linemen, two linebackers, two DBs. The Steel Curtain Steelers only have four

Whatever. Lynn Swann is in the hall, Roger Craig isn't. Neither is Torry Holt or Andre Johnson, both 7x Pro Bowlers. Completely unbelievable to me.

Baseball's the opposite. Play reasonably well for many years, and you're in; e.g., Rabbit Maranville, .658 OPS, 60% of his career in the live ball era, he's on 209 of 252 ballots. Only led the league in one category in 23 years, ABs in 1922.

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CMac rules.

https://www.instagram.com/p/C093bSZp4-1/

For those not able to see the video, CMac is at a signing event for Fanatics and someone put a USC hat in front of him. He says, "I'm not signing that!" Then he proceeds to write the 2015 P12 championship game score on it along with his stats from that game.

That's the best video I've seen in years...

[Mick]

Mick, I’m as statistically minded as they come but I think it’s pretty fundamental this isn’t about reaching statistical thresholds but rather a subjective determination of whether somebody was one of the greats. If one wanted a metric, more illuminating than yards or touchdowns might be All Pro and Pro Bowl recognition. McCaffrey should be targeting six Pro Bowls. Solid chance with five. 

Frank Gore and Ricky Watters never made All Pro. That’s a debilitating weakness in convincing voters to call somebody worthy of the Hall of Fame when they were never the best at their position, even for a single year. This is the same thing that keeps Plunkett out (though in his case it’s even more stark as Gore and Watters made five Pro Bowls each while Plunkett made zero). Ultimately I think most voters look at Hall of Fame as a way to capture who the best in a given era was. And of course subjectivity and other things come into play. John Riggins in but Roger Craig not is profoundly stupid.

I fully realize that. I'm deploring it, is my message. Gore and Steven Jackson each reach 1,000+ yards for eight seasons. Not in. OJ Simpson only had two seasons better than Gore's and Jackson's best ('73 and '75) and really he only had four seasons that were terrific, and a fifth where he was just over the 1,000 yard threshold...basically he played in the NFL for 11 years, but was effective for five and all pro first team just twice. Marcus Allen's in the hall of fame, only had more than 1000 yards three times (once just barely), and had one great season with 1,759 yards. All pro just one time, his one MVP year. And don't get me started on Joe Namath. At least Plunkett has a .500 career record (exactly) at 72-72. Namath is below .500. And why is Hornung in the hall? Inveterate gamble, led the league in rushing TDs once, never had more than 681 yards. Stabler? All pro first team once, 2nd team once, two other pro bowls in a 15 year career. Considerably more INTs than TDs.

And why does the 1969 KC Chiefs defense have six in the Hall? Two linemen, two linebackers, two DBs. The Steel Curtain Steelers only have four

Whatever. Lynn Swann is in the hall, Roger Craig isn't. Neither is Torry Holt or Andre Johnson, both 7x Pro Bowlers. Completely unbelievable to me.

Baseball's the opposite. Play reasonably well for many years, and you're in; e.g., Rabbit Maranville, .658 OPS, 60% of his career in the live ball era, he's on 209 of 252 ballots. Only led the league in one category in 23 years, ABs in 1922.

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CMac rules.

https://www.instagram.com/p/C093bSZp4-1/

For those not able to see the video, CMac is at a signing event for Fanatics and someone put a USC hat in front of him. He says, "I'm not signing that!" Then he proceeds to write the 2015 P12 championship game score on it along with his stats from that game.

That's the best video I've seen in years...