[CardinalSagehen]

Nobody mentions this, but a fairly large share of Turley’s acolytes were subsequently suspended by the NFL for violating the PED policy.  As far as I know, no one was ever found to have been using PEDs while at Stanford, but let’s just say that if we found out that Turley’s miraculous turnaround was pharmacologically aided, I would not be at all surprised.

Trent Murphy (https://www.nbcsportsbayarea.com/ncaa/re...n/1316052/)
Josh Mauro (https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/new-j...violation/)
Richard Sherman (though his suspension was overturned on appeal https://www.latimes.com/sports/la-xpm-20...story.html)

BC

Nobody mentions this, but everyone wonders about it. You just said the quiet part out loud.

I think this is one of the better theories for why we were great in the trenches during the Turley period. He might not have directly pushed PEDs, but just knowing or hinting about PEDs and looking the other way would be enough to warrant dismissal if someone complained.  

That said, I believe (without hard evidence) that PED use is endemic to football and starts early. So when you're recruiting 4* and 5* kids, especially in the trenches, some of them have already done PEDs and that's part of how they achieve standout physiques and performance. 

I hate to take anything away from everyone's hard work and accomplishments. By no means are all athletes juicing. But as you say, there was quite a bit of smoke around the Stanford program's use of PEDs in the early 2010s based on subsequent suspensions in the NFL and Turley's eventual suspension and dismissal.

[CardinalSagehen]

Nobody mentions this, but a fairly large share of Turley’s acolytes were subsequently suspended by the NFL for violating the PED policy.  As far as I know, no one was ever found to have been using PEDs while at Stanford, but let’s just say that if we found out that Turley’s miraculous turnaround was pharmacologically aided, I would not be at all surprised.

Trent Murphy (https://www.nbcsportsbayarea.com/ncaa/re...n/1316052/)
Josh Mauro (https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/new-j...violation/)
Richard Sherman (though his suspension was overturned on appeal https://www.latimes.com/sports/la-xpm-20...story.html)

BC

Nobody mentions this, but everyone wonders about it. You just said the quiet part out loud.

I think this is one of the better theories for why we were great in the trenches during the Turley period. He might not have directly pushed PEDs, but just knowing or hinting about PEDs and looking the other way would be enough to warrant dismissal if someone complained.  

That said, I believe (without hard evidence) that PED use is endemic to football and starts early. So when you're recruiting 4* and 5* kids, especially in the trenches, some of them have already done PEDs and that's part of how they achieve standout physiques and performance. 

I hate to take anything away from everyone's hard work and accomplishments. By no means are all athletes juicing. But as you say, there was quite a bit of smoke around the Stanford program's use of PEDs in the early 2010s based on subsequent suspensions in the NFL and Turley's eventual suspension and dismissal.