02-11-2016, 11:42 AM
NFL combine thread
02-11-2016, 11:51 AM
Relative grades look OK to me.
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George Box
02-11-2016, 12:05 PM
The official site does not have the combine invitation list posted yet. Does anyone know the source of Park's info? I've seen a couple of different rating systems, so it's not clear to me what these ratings mean.Â
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The official site does not have the combine invitation list posted yet. Does anyone know the source of Park's info? I've seen a couple of different rating systems, so it's not clear to me what these ratings mean.Â
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02-11-2016, 12:08 PM
(02-11-2016, 12:05 PM)TrumpCard link Wrote:The official site does not have the combine invitation list posted yet. Does anyone know the source of Park's info? I've seen a couple of different rating systems, so it's not clear to me what these ratings mean.
http://www.nfl.com/combine/participants
I believe his grades are coming from the ANALYSIS link from that page
(02-11-2016, 12:05 PM)TrumpCard link Wrote:The official site does not have the combine invitation list posted yet. Does anyone know the source of Park's info? I've seen a couple of different rating systems, so it's not clear to me what these ratings mean.
http://www.nfl.com/combine/participants
I believe his grades are coming from the ANALYSIS link from that page
02-11-2016, 01:02 PM
Thanks. The Shittu omissions seems odd, but he can still get drafted if he performs at his pro day.
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02-11-2016, 01:34 PM
(02-11-2016, 01:02 PM)TrumpCard link Wrote:Thanks. The Shittu omissions seems odd, but he can still get drafted if he performs at his pro day.
Agreed. I hope it's not James Vaughters redux, though. There was another guy that I was convinced would be on a 53-man roster given his physical gifts. (He might yet, since he'll be in camp with the Patriots this year.)Â
The improvement we saw from Shittu this past season was terrific, so I hope he continues that trajectory and makes himself indispensable for some team.Â
(02-11-2016, 01:02 PM)TrumpCard link Wrote:Thanks. The Shittu omissions seems odd, but he can still get drafted if he performs at his pro day.
Agreed. I hope it's not James Vaughters redux, though. There was another guy that I was convinced would be on a 53-man roster given his physical gifts. (He might yet, since he'll be in camp with the Patriots this year.)Â
The improvement we saw from Shittu this past season was terrific, so I hope he continues that trajectory and makes himself indispensable for some team.Â
02-12-2016, 07:04 AM
If I had a dollar every time I was distracted, I wish I had some ice cream.
If I had a dollar every time I was distracted, I wish I had some ice cream.
02-12-2016, 07:11 AM
(02-11-2016, 11:51 AM)Stymie link Wrote:Relative grades look OK to me.
I wouldn't know...what do those grades mean? Such a narrow band
How does Shittu fit into a pro defense? He can't get big enough to play a 3 technique, and a DE of his size has to be excellent pass rusher, which he isn't.Â
He improved this year--perhaps making a push for the draft--and is athletic enough to get picked up as a let's-take-a-longer-look free agent, but unless he makes another leap upward, where would he ever play in the NFL?
He improved this year--perhaps making a push for the draft--and is athletic enough to get picked up as a let's-take-a-longer-look free agent, but unless he makes another leap upward, where would he ever play in the NFL?
How does Shittu fit into a pro defense? He can't get big enough to play a 3 technique, and a DE of his size has to be excellent pass rusher, which he isn't.Â
He improved this year--perhaps making a push for the draft--and is athletic enough to get picked up as a let's-take-a-longer-look free agent, but unless he makes another leap upward, where would he ever play in the NFL?
He improved this year--perhaps making a push for the draft--and is athletic enough to get picked up as a let's-take-a-longer-look free agent, but unless he makes another leap upward, where would he ever play in the NFL?
02-12-2016, 07:27 AM
(02-12-2016, 07:16 AM)Hulk01 link Wrote:How does Shittu fits into a pro defense? He can't get big enough to play a 3 technique, and a DE of his size has to be excellent pass rusher, which he isn't.Â
He improved this year--perhaps making a push for the draft--and is athletic enough to get picked up as a let's-take-a-longer-look free agent, but unless he makes another leap upward, where would he ever play in the NFL?
I hear you, and I hope he makes it but I have no doubt he's already prepared for life without football. He's got his 40-year decision.
(02-12-2016, 07:16 AM)Hulk01 link Wrote:How does Shittu fits into a pro defense? He can't get big enough to play a 3 technique, and a DE of his size has to be excellent pass rusher, which he isn't.Â
He improved this year--perhaps making a push for the draft--and is athletic enough to get picked up as a let's-take-a-longer-look free agent, but unless he makes another leap upward, where would he ever play in the NFL?
I hear you, and I hope he makes it but I have no doubt he's already prepared for life without football. He's got his 40-year decision.
02-12-2016, 11:35 AM
(02-12-2016, 07:11 AM)winflop link Wrote:[quote author=Stymie link=topic=14595.msg156282#msg156282 date=1455216689]
Relative grades look OK to me.
I wouldn't know...what do those grades mean? Such a narrow band
[/quote]
The "band" ain't narrow, it's essentially logarithmic. 5.9-6.0 is a lock to be drafted. 5.0-5.1 is marginal. <5.0 is very unlikely (Shittu excepted....). :)
All models are wrong; some models are useful......
George Box
(02-12-2016, 07:11 AM)winflop link Wrote:[quote author=Stymie link=topic=14595.msg156282#msg156282 date=1455216689]
Relative grades look OK to me.
I wouldn't know...what do those grades mean? Such a narrow band
[/quote]
The "band" ain't narrow, it's essentially logarithmic. 5.9-6.0 is a lock to be drafted. 5.0-5.1 is marginal. <5.0 is very unlikely (Shittu excepted....). :)
All models are wrong; some models are useful......
George Box
02-12-2016, 01:56 PM
(02-12-2016, 11:35 AM)Stymie link Wrote:[quote author=winflop link=topic=14595.msg156354#msg156354 date=1455286294]
[quote author=Stymie link=topic=14595.msg156282#msg156282 date=1455216689]
Relative grades look OK to me.
I wouldn't know...what do those grades mean? Such a narrow band
[/quote]
The "band" ain't narrow, it's essentially logarithmic. 5.9-6.0 is a lock to be drafted. 5.0-5.1 is marginal. <5.0 is very unlikely (Shittu excepted....). :)
[/quote]
It looks like the "grades" go from 5.00 upwards - possibly open ended, possibly nominally to 10 though the highest I saw were a couple of 7s. They seem to have only graded folks invited to the combine.
The link is above.
These grades do seem to be kind of lograithmic. I only found a couple of guys over 7, and they were substantially over 7: Myles Jack (UCLA), Laremy Tunsil (Mississippi), and DeForest Buckner (Oregon). Probably first rounder-ish were 6s, almost everybody in the 5s.
(02-12-2016, 11:35 AM)Stymie link Wrote:[quote author=winflop link=topic=14595.msg156354#msg156354 date=1455286294]
[quote author=Stymie link=topic=14595.msg156282#msg156282 date=1455216689]
Relative grades look OK to me.
I wouldn't know...what do those grades mean? Such a narrow band
[/quote]
The "band" ain't narrow, it's essentially logarithmic. 5.9-6.0 is a lock to be drafted. 5.0-5.1 is marginal. <5.0 is very unlikely (Shittu excepted....). :)
[/quote]
It looks like the "grades" go from 5.00 upwards - possibly open ended, possibly nominally to 10 though the highest I saw were a couple of 7s. They seem to have only graded folks invited to the combine.
The link is above.
These grades do seem to be kind of lograithmic. I only found a couple of guys over 7, and they were substantially over 7: Myles Jack (UCLA), Laremy Tunsil (Mississippi), and DeForest Buckner (Oregon). Probably first rounder-ish were 6s, almost everybody in the 5s.
02-12-2016, 02:48 PM
(02-12-2016, 07:16 AM)Hulk01 link Wrote:How does Shittu fit into a pro defense? He can't get big enough to play a 3 technique, and a DE of his size has to be excellent pass rusher, which he isn't.Â
He improved this year--perhaps making a push for the draft--and is athletic enough to get picked up as a let's-take-a-longer-look free agent, but unless he makes another leap upward, where would he ever play in the NFL?
Shittu doesn't get a lot of sacks, but he gets into the backfield and disrupts plays. He easily led the team in TFLs this year. I think he's got a chance to find a spot as a DE on a 3-4 team who uses OLBs as the primary pass rushers.Â
Also, keep in mind that Shittu's stats would have been better if he didn't have play virtually every snap. NFL teams have much deeper DL rotations than Stanford had this year, and that kind of rotation would avoid some of the fatigue that surely impacted Stanford's DL this year.
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(02-12-2016, 07:16 AM)Hulk01 link Wrote:How does Shittu fit into a pro defense? He can't get big enough to play a 3 technique, and a DE of his size has to be excellent pass rusher, which he isn't.Â
He improved this year--perhaps making a push for the draft--and is athletic enough to get picked up as a let's-take-a-longer-look free agent, but unless he makes another leap upward, where would he ever play in the NFL?
Shittu doesn't get a lot of sacks, but he gets into the backfield and disrupts plays. He easily led the team in TFLs this year. I think he's got a chance to find a spot as a DE on a 3-4 team who uses OLBs as the primary pass rushers.Â
Also, keep in mind that Shittu's stats would have been better if he didn't have play virtually every snap. NFL teams have much deeper DL rotations than Stanford had this year, and that kind of rotation would avoid some of the fatigue that surely impacted Stanford's DL this year.
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