10-23-2017, 05:11 AM
And yet still vastly superior to most of Saquon "automatic" Barkley's, apparently, less than pedestrian numbers...
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10-23-2017, 05:46 AM
(10-22-2017, 10:58 PM)norcard link Wrote:[quote author=Mick link=topic=17749.msg207441#msg207441 date=1508709744]
[quote author=norcard link=topic=17749.msg207413#msg207413 date=1508701068]
Saquon is a great player. If he wins the h award it wont be because it was all hype. He will have to prove himself against OSU and Wisconsin.Â
We can claim bias against Christian and Bryce but when Christian had his opportunities in prime time during award consideration, he didnt capitalize unfortunately.
Back to Bryce -Â If stanford were 7-0, That would have helped as well.
Which prime time games were you referring to specifically? The Pac-12 Championship where he set the Stanford all-purpose yardage record with 461 against U$C? The game before against Noter Dame where he gained 228 yards? the 2016 Big Game where he gained 283 yards in 31 carries? Perhaps you were thinking of the 2016 Rose Bowl where he rushed for 172 yards in 18 carries against #6 Iowa and caught 4 passes for another 105 yards and returned a punt for a 63 yard TD and ran a kickoff 29 yards, to say nothing of the kickoff TD that was called back on a rice-paper-thin holding call? Are those the games you mean?
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As others have indicated, the conference championship and rose bowl either were too late or did not count.
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The Rose Bowl was after the award was handed out but the Pac-12 championship game was not.
(10-22-2017, 10:58 PM)norcard link Wrote:[quote author=Mick link=topic=17749.msg207441#msg207441 date=1508709744]
[quote author=norcard link=topic=17749.msg207413#msg207413 date=1508701068]
Saquon is a great player. If he wins the h award it wont be because it was all hype. He will have to prove himself against OSU and Wisconsin.Â
We can claim bias against Christian and Bryce but when Christian had his opportunities in prime time during award consideration, he didnt capitalize unfortunately.
Back to Bryce -Â If stanford were 7-0, That would have helped as well.
Which prime time games were you referring to specifically? The Pac-12 Championship where he set the Stanford all-purpose yardage record with 461 against U$C? The game before against Noter Dame where he gained 228 yards? the 2016 Big Game where he gained 283 yards in 31 carries? Perhaps you were thinking of the 2016 Rose Bowl where he rushed for 172 yards in 18 carries against #6 Iowa and caught 4 passes for another 105 yards and returned a punt for a 63 yard TD and ran a kickoff 29 yards, to say nothing of the kickoff TD that was called back on a rice-paper-thin holding call? Are those the games you mean?
[/quote]
As others have indicated, the conference championship and rose bowl either were too late or did not count.
[/quote]
The Rose Bowl was after the award was handed out but the Pac-12 championship game was not.
10-23-2017, 08:36 AM
(10-23-2017, 05:46 AM)winflop link Wrote:[quote author=norcard link=topic=17749.msg207480#msg207480 date=1508738315]
[quote author=Mick link=topic=17749.msg207441#msg207441 date=1508709744]
[quote author=norcard link=topic=17749.msg207413#msg207413 date=1508701068]
Saquon is a great player. If he wins the h award it wont be because it was all hype. He will have to prove himself against OSU and Wisconsin.Â
We can claim bias against Christian and Bryce but when Christian had his opportunities in prime time during award consideration, he didnt capitalize unfortunately.
Back to Bryce -Â If stanford were 7-0, That would have helped as well.
Which prime time games were you referring to specifically? The Pac-12 Championship where he set the Stanford all-purpose yardage record with 461 against U$C? The game before against Noter Dame where he gained 228 yards? the 2016 Big Game where he gained 283 yards in 31 carries? Perhaps you were thinking of the 2016 Rose Bowl where he rushed for 172 yards in 18 carries against #6 Iowa and caught 4 passes for another 105 yards and returned a punt for a 63 yard TD and ran a kickoff 29 yards, to say nothing of the kickoff TD that was called back on a rice-paper-thin holding call? Are those the games you mean?
[/quote]
As others have indicated, the conference championship and rose bowl either were too late or did not count.
[/quote]
The Rose Bowl was after the award was handed out but the Pac-12 championship game was not.
[/quote]
Obviously. It falls into the too late camp however as most ballots (especially from the east) had been submitted. Christian failed to capture the Voldemort moment vs sc earlier in the year, Oregon later, and nd towards the end. Simple as that.
(10-23-2017, 05:46 AM)winflop link Wrote:[quote author=norcard link=topic=17749.msg207480#msg207480 date=1508738315]
[quote author=Mick link=topic=17749.msg207441#msg207441 date=1508709744]
[quote author=norcard link=topic=17749.msg207413#msg207413 date=1508701068]
Saquon is a great player. If he wins the h award it wont be because it was all hype. He will have to prove himself against OSU and Wisconsin.Â
We can claim bias against Christian and Bryce but when Christian had his opportunities in prime time during award consideration, he didnt capitalize unfortunately.
Back to Bryce -Â If stanford were 7-0, That would have helped as well.
Which prime time games were you referring to specifically? The Pac-12 Championship where he set the Stanford all-purpose yardage record with 461 against U$C? The game before against Noter Dame where he gained 228 yards? the 2016 Big Game where he gained 283 yards in 31 carries? Perhaps you were thinking of the 2016 Rose Bowl where he rushed for 172 yards in 18 carries against #6 Iowa and caught 4 passes for another 105 yards and returned a punt for a 63 yard TD and ran a kickoff 29 yards, to say nothing of the kickoff TD that was called back on a rice-paper-thin holding call? Are those the games you mean?
[/quote]
As others have indicated, the conference championship and rose bowl either were too late or did not count.
[/quote]
The Rose Bowl was after the award was handed out but the Pac-12 championship game was not.
[/quote]
Obviously. It falls into the too late camp however as most ballots (especially from the east) had been submitted. Christian failed to capture the Voldemort moment vs sc earlier in the year, Oregon later, and nd towards the end. Simple as that.
10-23-2017, 09:52 AM
The ballots were not due until after the conference championship games. For voters to turn in their ballots before those games was malpractice. How do you decide on the best players before they have had a chance to play in the most important game of the season against a marquee opponent? McCaffrey did his part. The voters let him down.
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The ballots were not due until after the conference championship games. For voters to turn in their ballots before those games was malpractice. How do you decide on the best players before they have had a chance to play in the most important game of the season against a marquee opponent? McCaffrey did his part. The voters let him down.
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10-23-2017, 10:18 AM
Yeah but they might have wanted to turn their ballots in and then go play golf.
Yeah but they might have wanted to turn their ballots in and then go play golf.
10-23-2017, 10:24 AM
(10-23-2017, 08:36 AM)norcard link Wrote:[quote author=winflop link=topic=17749.msg207489#msg207489 date=1508762800]
[quote author=norcard link=topic=17749.msg207480#msg207480 date=1508738315]
[quote author=Mick link=topic=17749.msg207441#msg207441 date=1508709744]
[quote author=norcard link=topic=17749.msg207413#msg207413 date=1508701068]
Saquon is a great player. If he wins the h award it wont be because it was all hype. He will have to prove himself against OSU and Wisconsin.Â
We can claim bias against Christian and Bryce but when Christian had his opportunities in prime time during award consideration, he didnt capitalize unfortunately.
Back to Bryce -Â If stanford were 7-0, That would have helped as well.
Which prime time games were you referring to specifically? The Pac-12 Championship where he set the Stanford all-purpose yardage record with 461 against U$C? The game before against Noter Dame where he gained 228 yards? the 2016 Big Game where he gained 283 yards in 31 carries? Perhaps you were thinking of the 2016 Rose Bowl where he rushed for 172 yards in 18 carries against #6 Iowa and caught 4 passes for another 105 yards and returned a punt for a 63 yard TD and ran a kickoff 29 yards, to say nothing of the kickoff TD that was called back on a rice-paper-thin holding call? Are those the games you mean?
[/quote]
As others have indicated, the conference championship and rose bowl either were too late or did not count.
[/quote]
The Rose Bowl was after the award was handed out but the Pac-12 championship game was not.
[/quote]
Obviously. It falls into the too late camp however as most ballots (especially from the east) had been submitted. Christian failed to capture the  moment vs sc earlier in the year, Oregon later, and nd towards the end. Simple as that.
[/quote]
228 verses ND isn't good enough?!? They were the ranked sixth in the country and needed to beat us for a trip to the playoffs. Didn't happen, they couldn't stop McCaffrey.
Free Phogge!!!! And no, crimson doesn't refer to the Tide.
(10-23-2017, 08:36 AM)norcard link Wrote:[quote author=winflop link=topic=17749.msg207489#msg207489 date=1508762800]
[quote author=norcard link=topic=17749.msg207480#msg207480 date=1508738315]
[quote author=Mick link=topic=17749.msg207441#msg207441 date=1508709744]
[quote author=norcard link=topic=17749.msg207413#msg207413 date=1508701068]
Saquon is a great player. If he wins the h award it wont be because it was all hype. He will have to prove himself against OSU and Wisconsin.Â
We can claim bias against Christian and Bryce but when Christian had his opportunities in prime time during award consideration, he didnt capitalize unfortunately.
Back to Bryce -Â If stanford were 7-0, That would have helped as well.
Which prime time games were you referring to specifically? The Pac-12 Championship where he set the Stanford all-purpose yardage record with 461 against U$C? The game before against Noter Dame where he gained 228 yards? the 2016 Big Game where he gained 283 yards in 31 carries? Perhaps you were thinking of the 2016 Rose Bowl where he rushed for 172 yards in 18 carries against #6 Iowa and caught 4 passes for another 105 yards and returned a punt for a 63 yard TD and ran a kickoff 29 yards, to say nothing of the kickoff TD that was called back on a rice-paper-thin holding call? Are those the games you mean?
[/quote]
As others have indicated, the conference championship and rose bowl either were too late or did not count.
[/quote]
The Rose Bowl was after the award was handed out but the Pac-12 championship game was not.
[/quote]
Obviously. It falls into the too late camp however as most ballots (especially from the east) had been submitted. Christian failed to capture the  moment vs sc earlier in the year, Oregon later, and nd towards the end. Simple as that.
[/quote]
228 verses ND isn't good enough?!? They were the ranked sixth in the country and needed to beat us for a trip to the playoffs. Didn't happen, they couldn't stop McCaffrey.
Free Phogge!!!! And no, crimson doesn't refer to the Tide.
10-23-2017, 05:46 PM
(10-23-2017, 10:24 AM)cardcrimson link Wrote:[quote author=norcard link=topic=17749.msg207503#msg207503 date=1508773015]
[quote author=winflop link=topic=17749.msg207489#msg207489 date=1508762800]
[quote author=norcard link=topic=17749.msg207480#msg207480 date=1508738315]
[quote author=Mick link=topic=17749.msg207441#msg207441 date=1508709744]
[quote author=norcard link=topic=17749.msg207413#msg207413 date=1508701068]
Saquon is a great player. If he wins the h award it wont be because it was all hype. He will have to prove himself against OSU and Wisconsin.Â
We can claim bias against Christian and Bryce but when Christian had his opportunities in prime time during award consideration, he didnt capitalize unfortunately.
Back to Bryce -Â If stanford were 7-0, That would have helped as well.
Which prime time games were you referring to specifically? The Pac-12 Championship where he set the Stanford all-purpose yardage record with 461 against U$C? The game before against Noter Dame where he gained 228 yards? the 2016 Big Game where he gained 283 yards in 31 carries? Perhaps you were thinking of the 2016 Rose Bowl where he rushed for 172 yards in 18 carries against #6 Iowa and caught 4 passes for another 105 yards and returned a punt for a 63 yard TD and ran a kickoff 29 yards, to say nothing of the kickoff TD that was called back on a rice-paper-thin holding call? Are those the games you mean?
[/quote]
As others have indicated, the conference championship and rose bowl either were too late or did not count.
[/quote]
The Rose Bowl was after the award was handed out but the Pac-12 championship game was not.
[/quote]
Obviously. It falls into the too late camp however as most ballots (especially from the east) had been submitted. Christian failed to capture the  moment vs sc earlier in the year, Oregon later, and nd towards the end. Simple as that.
[/quote]
228 verses ND isn't good enough?!? They were the ranked sixth in the country and needed to beat us for a trip to the playoffs. Didn't happen, they couldn't stop McCaffrey.
[/quote]
Couldnt stop? He averaged 3.4 yards a carry. He had 100 kickoff return yards in 5 tries. What exactly was there to stop? The hyperbole is ridiculous
(10-23-2017, 10:24 AM)cardcrimson link Wrote:[quote author=norcard link=topic=17749.msg207503#msg207503 date=1508773015]
[quote author=winflop link=topic=17749.msg207489#msg207489 date=1508762800]
[quote author=norcard link=topic=17749.msg207480#msg207480 date=1508738315]
[quote author=Mick link=topic=17749.msg207441#msg207441 date=1508709744]
[quote author=norcard link=topic=17749.msg207413#msg207413 date=1508701068]
Saquon is a great player. If he wins the h award it wont be because it was all hype. He will have to prove himself against OSU and Wisconsin.Â
We can claim bias against Christian and Bryce but when Christian had his opportunities in prime time during award consideration, he didnt capitalize unfortunately.
Back to Bryce -Â If stanford were 7-0, That would have helped as well.
Which prime time games were you referring to specifically? The Pac-12 Championship where he set the Stanford all-purpose yardage record with 461 against U$C? The game before against Noter Dame where he gained 228 yards? the 2016 Big Game where he gained 283 yards in 31 carries? Perhaps you were thinking of the 2016 Rose Bowl where he rushed for 172 yards in 18 carries against #6 Iowa and caught 4 passes for another 105 yards and returned a punt for a 63 yard TD and ran a kickoff 29 yards, to say nothing of the kickoff TD that was called back on a rice-paper-thin holding call? Are those the games you mean?
[/quote]
As others have indicated, the conference championship and rose bowl either were too late or did not count.
[/quote]
The Rose Bowl was after the award was handed out but the Pac-12 championship game was not.
[/quote]
Obviously. It falls into the too late camp however as most ballots (especially from the east) had been submitted. Christian failed to capture the  moment vs sc earlier in the year, Oregon later, and nd towards the end. Simple as that.
[/quote]
228 verses ND isn't good enough?!? They were the ranked sixth in the country and needed to beat us for a trip to the playoffs. Didn't happen, they couldn't stop McCaffrey.
[/quote]
Couldnt stop? He averaged 3.4 yards a carry. He had 100 kickoff return yards in 5 tries. What exactly was there to stop? The hyperbole is ridiculous
(10-23-2017, 05:46 PM)norcard link Wrote:[quote author=cardcrimson link=topic=17749.msg207521#msg207521 date=1508779460]
[quote author=norcard link=topic=17749.msg207503#msg207503 date=1508773015]
[quote author=winflop link=topic=17749.msg207489#msg207489 date=1508762800]
[quote author=norcard link=topic=17749.msg207480#msg207480 date=1508738315]
[quote author=Mick link=topic=17749.msg207441#msg207441 date=1508709744]
[quote author=norcard link=topic=17749.msg207413#msg207413 date=1508701068]
Saquon is a great player. If he wins the h award it wont be because it was all hype. He will have to prove himself against OSU and Wisconsin.Â
We can claim bias against Christian and Bryce but when Christian had his opportunities in prime time during award consideration, he didnt capitalize unfortunately.
Back to Bryce -Â If stanford were 7-0, That would have helped as well.
Which prime time games were you referring to specifically? The Pac-12 Championship where he set the Stanford all-purpose yardage record with 461 against U$C? The game before against Noter Dame where he gained 228 yards? the 2016 Big Game where he gained 283 yards in 31 carries? Perhaps you were thinking of the 2016 Rose Bowl where he rushed for 172 yards in 18 carries against #6 Iowa and caught 4 passes for another 105 yards and returned a punt for a 63 yard TD and ran a kickoff 29 yards, to say nothing of the kickoff TD that was called back on a rice-paper-thin holding call? Are those the games you mean?
[/quote]
As others have indicated, the conference championship and rose bowl either were too late or did not count.
[/quote]
The Rose Bowl was after the award was handed out but the Pac-12 championship game was not.
[/quote]
Obviously. It falls into the too late camp however as most ballots (especially from the east) had been submitted. Christian failed to capture the  moment vs sc earlier in the year, Oregon later, and nd towards the end. Simple as that.
[/quote]
228 verses ND isn't good enough?!? They were the ranked sixth in the country and needed to beat us for a trip to the playoffs. Didn't happen, they couldn't stop McCaffrey.
[/quote]
Couldnt stop? He averaged 3.4 yards a carry. He had 100 kickoff return yards in 5 tries. What exactly was there to stop? The hyperbole is ridiculous
[/quote]
249 against U$C the first time. 244 against Oregon. 228 against Noter Dame. 461 against U$C in the CCG. Average of four of exceedingly large proportions games, 295.5.
St. Saquon of the Nittany pedophiles has averaged 221.6 all-purpose yards all year. Just think, his average against all teams, terrific and terrible alike is less than what you consider to be McCaffrey's disaster at ND. If that's McCaffrey's disaster, what does that make Barkley's entire season?
BTW, Barkley's ypc has been 5.8 for his career and 6.5 for this, his historic Hiesman season. All he needs is 99 yards in each of his next five carries to catch Bryce Love.
Hiesman trophy leader my left n
Audaces fortuna iuvat
(10-23-2017, 05:46 PM)norcard link Wrote:[quote author=cardcrimson link=topic=17749.msg207521#msg207521 date=1508779460]
[quote author=norcard link=topic=17749.msg207503#msg207503 date=1508773015]
[quote author=winflop link=topic=17749.msg207489#msg207489 date=1508762800]
[quote author=norcard link=topic=17749.msg207480#msg207480 date=1508738315]
[quote author=Mick link=topic=17749.msg207441#msg207441 date=1508709744]
[quote author=norcard link=topic=17749.msg207413#msg207413 date=1508701068]
Saquon is a great player. If he wins the h award it wont be because it was all hype. He will have to prove himself against OSU and Wisconsin.Â
We can claim bias against Christian and Bryce but when Christian had his opportunities in prime time during award consideration, he didnt capitalize unfortunately.
Back to Bryce -Â If stanford were 7-0, That would have helped as well.
Which prime time games were you referring to specifically? The Pac-12 Championship where he set the Stanford all-purpose yardage record with 461 against U$C? The game before against Noter Dame where he gained 228 yards? the 2016 Big Game where he gained 283 yards in 31 carries? Perhaps you were thinking of the 2016 Rose Bowl where he rushed for 172 yards in 18 carries against #6 Iowa and caught 4 passes for another 105 yards and returned a punt for a 63 yard TD and ran a kickoff 29 yards, to say nothing of the kickoff TD that was called back on a rice-paper-thin holding call? Are those the games you mean?
[/quote]
As others have indicated, the conference championship and rose bowl either were too late or did not count.
[/quote]
The Rose Bowl was after the award was handed out but the Pac-12 championship game was not.
[/quote]
Obviously. It falls into the too late camp however as most ballots (especially from the east) had been submitted. Christian failed to capture the  moment vs sc earlier in the year, Oregon later, and nd towards the end. Simple as that.
[/quote]
228 verses ND isn't good enough?!? They were the ranked sixth in the country and needed to beat us for a trip to the playoffs. Didn't happen, they couldn't stop McCaffrey.
[/quote]
Couldnt stop? He averaged 3.4 yards a carry. He had 100 kickoff return yards in 5 tries. What exactly was there to stop? The hyperbole is ridiculous
[/quote]
249 against U$C the first time. 244 against Oregon. 228 against Noter Dame. 461 against U$C in the CCG. Average of four of exceedingly large proportions games, 295.5.
St. Saquon of the Nittany pedophiles has averaged 221.6 all-purpose yards all year. Just think, his average against all teams, terrific and terrible alike is less than what you consider to be McCaffrey's disaster at ND. If that's McCaffrey's disaster, what does that make Barkley's entire season?
BTW, Barkley's ypc has been 5.8 for his career and 6.5 for this, his historic Hiesman season. All he needs is 99 yards in each of his next five carries to catch Bryce Love.
Hiesman trophy leader my left n
Audaces fortuna iuvat
10-23-2017, 06:51 PM
ugh. is there an ignore button on this board?
Free Phogge!!!! And no, crimson doesn't refer to the Tide.
ugh. is there an ignore button on this board?
Free Phogge!!!! And no, crimson doesn't refer to the Tide.
10-23-2017, 07:10 PM
(10-23-2017, 06:51 PM)cardcrimson link Wrote:ugh. is there an ignore button on this board?
Yes, IIRC there's a post on how to use it stickied to the front of this forum. But if you go to your Account Settings page you'll see it.
Not sure what in this thread is making you want to use it, though...
(10-23-2017, 06:51 PM)cardcrimson link Wrote:ugh. is there an ignore button on this board?
Yes, IIRC there's a post on how to use it stickied to the front of this forum. But if you go to your Account Settings page you'll see it.
Not sure what in this thread is making you want to use it, though...
10-23-2017, 07:41 PM
(10-23-2017, 06:06 PM)Mick link Wrote:[quote author=norcard link=topic=17749.msg207613#msg207613 date=1508805978]
[quote author=cardcrimson link=topic=17749.msg207521#msg207521 date=1508779460]
[quote author=norcard link=topic=17749.msg207503#msg207503 date=1508773015]
[quote author=winflop link=topic=17749.msg207489#msg207489 date=1508762800]
[quote author=norcard link=topic=17749.msg207480#msg207480 date=1508738315]
[quote author=Mick link=topic=17749.msg207441#msg207441 date=1508709744]
[quote author=norcard link=topic=17749.msg207413#msg207413 date=1508701068]
Saquon is a great player. If he wins the h award it wont be because it was all hype. He will have to prove himself against OSU and Wisconsin.Â
We can claim bias against Christian and Bryce but when Christian had his opportunities in prime time during award consideration, he didnt capitalize unfortunately.
Back to Bryce -Â If stanford were 7-0, That would have helped as well.
Which prime time games were you referring to specifically? The Pac-12 Championship where he set the Stanford all-purpose yardage record with 461 against U$C? The game before against Noter Dame where he gained 228 yards? the 2016 Big Game where he gained 283 yards in 31 carries? Perhaps you were thinking of the 2016 Rose Bowl where he rushed for 172 yards in 18 carries against #6 Iowa and caught 4 passes for another 105 yards and returned a punt for a 63 yard TD and ran a kickoff 29 yards, to say nothing of the kickoff TD that was called back on a rice-paper-thin holding call? Are those the games you mean?
[/quote]
As others have indicated, the conference championship and rose bowl either were too late or did not count.
[/quote]
The Rose Bowl was after the award was handed out but the Pac-12 championship game was not.
[/quote]
Obviously. It falls into the too late camp however as most ballots (especially from the east) had been submitted. Christian failed to capture the  moment vs sc earlier in the year, Oregon later, and nd towards the end. Simple as that.
[/quote]
228 verses ND isn't good enough?!? They were the ranked sixth in the country and needed to beat us for a trip to the playoffs. Didn't happen, they couldn't stop McCaffrey.
[/quote]
Couldnt stop? He averaged 3.4 yards a carry. He had 100 kickoff return yards in 5 tries. What exactly was there to stop? The hyperbole is ridiculous
[/quote]
249 against U$C the first time. 244 against Oregon. 228 against Noter Dame. 461 against U$C in the CCG. Average of four of exceedingly large proportions games, 295.5.
St. Saquon of the Nittany pedophiles has averaged 221.6 all-purpose yards all year. Just think, his average against all teams, terrific and terrible alike is less than what you consider to be McCaffrey's disaster at ND. If that's McCaffrey's disaster, what does that make Barkley's entire season?
BTW, Barkley's ypc has been 5.8 for his career and 6.5 for this, his historic Hiesman season. All he needs is 99 yards in each of his next five carries to catch Bryce Love.
Hiesman trophy leader my left n
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Between Bryce and Barkley, Im biased towards Bryce. But to say Barkleys performance against Michigan in prime time (what was his yards per carry? Did he get contained to less than 100 yards? Did he have long touch down plays?) is comparable to Christians against ND is amusing at best
(10-23-2017, 06:06 PM)Mick link Wrote:[quote author=norcard link=topic=17749.msg207613#msg207613 date=1508805978]
[quote author=cardcrimson link=topic=17749.msg207521#msg207521 date=1508779460]
[quote author=norcard link=topic=17749.msg207503#msg207503 date=1508773015]
[quote author=winflop link=topic=17749.msg207489#msg207489 date=1508762800]
[quote author=norcard link=topic=17749.msg207480#msg207480 date=1508738315]
[quote author=Mick link=topic=17749.msg207441#msg207441 date=1508709744]
[quote author=norcard link=topic=17749.msg207413#msg207413 date=1508701068]
Saquon is a great player. If he wins the h award it wont be because it was all hype. He will have to prove himself against OSU and Wisconsin.Â
We can claim bias against Christian and Bryce but when Christian had his opportunities in prime time during award consideration, he didnt capitalize unfortunately.
Back to Bryce -Â If stanford were 7-0, That would have helped as well.
Which prime time games were you referring to specifically? The Pac-12 Championship where he set the Stanford all-purpose yardage record with 461 against U$C? The game before against Noter Dame where he gained 228 yards? the 2016 Big Game where he gained 283 yards in 31 carries? Perhaps you were thinking of the 2016 Rose Bowl where he rushed for 172 yards in 18 carries against #6 Iowa and caught 4 passes for another 105 yards and returned a punt for a 63 yard TD and ran a kickoff 29 yards, to say nothing of the kickoff TD that was called back on a rice-paper-thin holding call? Are those the games you mean?
[/quote]
As others have indicated, the conference championship and rose bowl either were too late or did not count.
[/quote]
The Rose Bowl was after the award was handed out but the Pac-12 championship game was not.
[/quote]
Obviously. It falls into the too late camp however as most ballots (especially from the east) had been submitted. Christian failed to capture the  moment vs sc earlier in the year, Oregon later, and nd towards the end. Simple as that.
[/quote]
228 verses ND isn't good enough?!? They were the ranked sixth in the country and needed to beat us for a trip to the playoffs. Didn't happen, they couldn't stop McCaffrey.
[/quote]
Couldnt stop? He averaged 3.4 yards a carry. He had 100 kickoff return yards in 5 tries. What exactly was there to stop? The hyperbole is ridiculous
[/quote]
249 against U$C the first time. 244 against Oregon. 228 against Noter Dame. 461 against U$C in the CCG. Average of four of exceedingly large proportions games, 295.5.
St. Saquon of the Nittany pedophiles has averaged 221.6 all-purpose yards all year. Just think, his average against all teams, terrific and terrible alike is less than what you consider to be McCaffrey's disaster at ND. If that's McCaffrey's disaster, what does that make Barkley's entire season?
BTW, Barkley's ypc has been 5.8 for his career and 6.5 for this, his historic Hiesman season. All he needs is 99 yards in each of his next five carries to catch Bryce Love.
Hiesman trophy leader my left n
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Between Bryce and Barkley, Im biased towards Bryce. But to say Barkleys performance against Michigan in prime time (what was his yards per carry? Did he get contained to less than 100 yards? Did he have long touch down plays?) is comparable to Christians against ND is amusing at best
10-23-2017, 08:05 PM
True, his averages looked much better comparing those games. Total isn't hugely different -- 108 vs. 94 -- but that was on far fewer carries.
Really the difference comes down to Barkley's first run of 69 yards. Absent that, his average would have been a pedestrian 2.6 YPC. Then again 1) he should get credit for his long runs (just like Love does) and 2) this shows how easily statistics can be distorted, particularly from a small sample size. We (and voters) should judge over the course of a season and not any single game, even against a top school.
BTW here are updated odds to win:
Barkley 4/7; Love 2/1; Barrett & Mayfield 10/1; Rudolph 20/1; Jackson 25/1; Adams 40/1; Hurts 50/1; Dobbins 60/1
Really the difference comes down to Barkley's first run of 69 yards. Absent that, his average would have been a pedestrian 2.6 YPC. Then again 1) he should get credit for his long runs (just like Love does) and 2) this shows how easily statistics can be distorted, particularly from a small sample size. We (and voters) should judge over the course of a season and not any single game, even against a top school.
BTW here are updated odds to win:
Barkley 4/7; Love 2/1; Barrett & Mayfield 10/1; Rudolph 20/1; Jackson 25/1; Adams 40/1; Hurts 50/1; Dobbins 60/1
True, his averages looked much better comparing those games. Total isn't hugely different -- 108 vs. 94 -- but that was on far fewer carries.
Really the difference comes down to Barkley's first run of 69 yards. Absent that, his average would have been a pedestrian 2.6 YPC. Then again 1) he should get credit for his long runs (just like Love does) and 2) this shows how easily statistics can be distorted, particularly from a small sample size. We (and voters) should judge over the course of a season and not any single game, even against a top school.
BTW here are updated odds to win:
Barkley 4/7; Love 2/1; Barrett & Mayfield 10/1; Rudolph 20/1; Jackson 25/1; Adams 40/1; Hurts 50/1; Dobbins 60/1
Really the difference comes down to Barkley's first run of 69 yards. Absent that, his average would have been a pedestrian 2.6 YPC. Then again 1) he should get credit for his long runs (just like Love does) and 2) this shows how easily statistics can be distorted, particularly from a small sample size. We (and voters) should judge over the course of a season and not any single game, even against a top school.
BTW here are updated odds to win:
Barkley 4/7; Love 2/1; Barrett & Mayfield 10/1; Rudolph 20/1; Jackson 25/1; Adams 40/1; Hurts 50/1; Dobbins 60/1
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