[SamuelMcF]

Yes, it is very hard to beat the spread consistently, because the spread adjusts over time to take into account the fact that a team consistently beats the spread.  Conversely, a team that consistently underperforms the spread will see the spread lowered in response.

You might look at correlation between recruiting rankings and outcomes a few years later.

I don't want to look at that because it's a good metric and it shows that we're terrible :(

[SamuelMcF]

Yes, it is very hard to beat the spread consistently, because the spread adjusts over time to take into account the fact that a team consistently beats the spread.  Conversely, a team that consistently underperforms the spread will see the spread lowered in response.

You might look at correlation between recruiting rankings and outcomes a few years later.

I don't want to look at that because it's a good metric and it shows that we're terrible :(

[CTcard]

Certainly that'd be another good metric. But, I dunno man, the more good metrics the merrier.

I'd say that would be another questionable metric.

The problem is, the question "is the coach doing a good job" is far too complex to be answered by one number. Except of course win-loss record, though that is obviously devoid of nuance and doesn't seem to be what you are after.

Even if the question is restricted to "is the coach doing a good job in things other than recruiting" (which seems to be what you are getting at - certainly what BC's suggestion is getting at), that's still rather difficult for any single number.

[CTcard]

Certainly that'd be another good metric. But, I dunno man, the more good metrics the merrier.

I'd say that would be another questionable metric.

The problem is, the question "is the coach doing a good job" is far too complex to be answered by one number. Except of course win-loss record, though that is obviously devoid of nuance and doesn't seem to be what you are after.

Even if the question is restricted to "is the coach doing a good job in things other than recruiting" (which seems to be what you are getting at - certainly what BC's suggestion is getting at), that's still rather difficult for any single number.

[StanfordMatt]

Winning ugly is a win.   Congrats to Davis for a tough game with the flu.

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Winning ugly is a win.   Congrats to Davis for a tough game with the flu.

Come on Bob. The last two games were against bad teams. They played down to the level of their opponent. Even if Davis hadn't played a minute this should've been a 10-point halftime lead and 15-point win.

Let's hope they play up to the level of their next opponent. USF is going to be a strong indicator of whether this team could be near the top of the conference or is headed for another year in the Not Important Tournament.

Josh Sharma is a fouling machine. Dude is averaging a foul every <5 mins this season.

Not just this season. His entire career. I really hope Kisunas' development accelerates and that by the end of the year he's starting. I like what I've seen from him even though he's raw. If Sharma is the starter all year this will be another year of Mediocrity at Maples

Just wondering if NIT games are "meaningless exhibition" games? If minor bowls are I assume they would be too. I wonder when we will see someone who has NBA ambitions sit out for fear of injury.

It's already happened. USC's Chimezie Metu sat out of the NIT last year to start preparing for the NBA Draft.

[StanfordMatt]

Winning ugly is a win.   Congrats to Davis for a tough game with the flu.

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Winning ugly is a win.   Congrats to Davis for a tough game with the flu.

Come on Bob. The last two games were against bad teams. They played down to the level of their opponent. Even if Davis hadn't played a minute this should've been a 10-point halftime lead and 15-point win.

Let's hope they play up to the level of their next opponent. USF is going to be a strong indicator of whether this team could be near the top of the conference or is headed for another year in the Not Important Tournament.

Josh Sharma is a fouling machine. Dude is averaging a foul every <5 mins this season.

Not just this season. His entire career. I really hope Kisunas' development accelerates and that by the end of the year he's starting. I like what I've seen from him even though he's raw. If Sharma is the starter all year this will be another year of Mediocrity at Maples

Just wondering if NIT games are "meaningless exhibition" games? If minor bowls are I assume they would be too. I wonder when we will see someone who has NBA ambitions sit out for fear of injury.

It's already happened. USC's Chimezie Metu sat out of the NIT last year to start preparing for the NBA Draft.

[JohnR34231]

Winning ugly is a win.   Congrats to Davis for a tough game with the flu.

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Winning ugly is a win.   Congrats to Davis for a tough game with the flu.

Come on Bob. The last two games were against bad teams. They played down to the level of their opponent. Even if Davis hadn't played a minute this should've been a 10-point halftime lead and 15-point win.

Let's hope they play up to the level of their next opponent. USF is going to be a strong indicator of whether this team could be near the top of the conference or is headed for another year in the Not Important Tournament.

Josh Sharma is a fouling machine. Dude is averaging a foul every <5 mins this season.

Not just this season. His entire career. I really hope Kisunas' development accelerates and that by the end of the year he's starting. I like what I've seen from him even though he's raw. If Sharma is the starter all year this will be another year of Mediocrity at Maples

Just wondering if NIT games are "meaningless exhibition" games? If minor bowls are I assume they would be too. I wonder when we will see someone who has NBA ambitions sit out for fear of injury.

It's already happened. USC's Chimezie Metu sat out of the NIT last year to start preparing for the NBA Draft.

Can't say I'm shocked to hear that.

[JohnR34231]

Winning ugly is a win.   Congrats to Davis for a tough game with the flu.

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Winning ugly is a win.   Congrats to Davis for a tough game with the flu.

Come on Bob. The last two games were against bad teams. They played down to the level of their opponent. Even if Davis hadn't played a minute this should've been a 10-point halftime lead and 15-point win.

Let's hope they play up to the level of their next opponent. USF is going to be a strong indicator of whether this team could be near the top of the conference or is headed for another year in the Not Important Tournament.

Josh Sharma is a fouling machine. Dude is averaging a foul every <5 mins this season.

Not just this season. His entire career. I really hope Kisunas' development accelerates and that by the end of the year he's starting. I like what I've seen from him even though he's raw. If Sharma is the starter all year this will be another year of Mediocrity at Maples

Just wondering if NIT games are "meaningless exhibition" games? If minor bowls are I assume they would be too. I wonder when we will see someone who has NBA ambitions sit out for fear of injury.

It's already happened. USC's Chimezie Metu sat out of the NIT last year to start preparing for the NBA Draft.

Can't say I'm shocked to hear that.

[winflop]

Certainly that'd be another good metric. But, I dunno man, the more good metrics the merrier.

I'd say that would be another questionable metric.

The problem is, the question "is the coach doing a good job" is far too complex to be answered by one number. Except of course win-loss record, though that is obviously devoid of nuance and doesn't seem to be what you are after.

Even if the question is restricted to "is the coach doing a good job in things other than recruiting" (which seems to be what you are getting at - certainly what BC's suggestion is getting at), that's still rather difficult for any single number.

Recruiting is one part of the head coach's job. Development (practice) is another. Staff management is another. Clean program is another. Xs & Os is another. etc.

Results on the court are the ultimate judge. If the results aren't meeting expectations, then the head coach is failing at something. I don't think it matters as much why the results aren't there unless it's due to circumstances beyond the coach's control (player injuries, leaving the team, etc.)

[winflop]

Certainly that'd be another good metric. But, I dunno man, the more good metrics the merrier.

I'd say that would be another questionable metric.

The problem is, the question "is the coach doing a good job" is far too complex to be answered by one number. Except of course win-loss record, though that is obviously devoid of nuance and doesn't seem to be what you are after.

Even if the question is restricted to "is the coach doing a good job in things other than recruiting" (which seems to be what you are getting at - certainly what BC's suggestion is getting at), that's still rather difficult for any single number.

Recruiting is one part of the head coach's job. Development (practice) is another. Staff management is another. Clean program is another. Xs & Os is another. etc.

Results on the court are the ultimate judge. If the results aren't meeting expectations, then the head coach is failing at something. I don't think it matters as much why the results aren't there unless it's due to circumstances beyond the coach's control (player injuries, leaving the team, etc.)